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Again we can't make a trade until January 15th, for those that want to stay the course, gotta hope Vando and Gabe drastically improve the offense/rebounding... Cause if not, they'll be a shakeup.
 
I don't think this team is going to be a top tier offense, that's not how it's built. The way they win is going to be Transition, FT's & Bron/AD/AR/Rui making timely shots, team doesn't have the personnel to dominate teams offensively.

With that said there's no way a team with Lebron/AD is going to be a bottom 5 offense, things will correct themselves & i think they eventually end up somewhere between 10-15. We got in 8 new guys on the roster, half of them have been in & out the lineup & making it hard to gel & find consistent roles & minutes.

I think getting Vando, Gabe & Rui to an extent will tremendously help our defense & rebounding which leads to more transition opportunities & more FTA. with Vando/Cam/Gabe on the perimeter i think the energy will lead to more TO's and easier shots.
 
trynafeelmink said:
I don't think this team is going to be a top tier offense, that's not how it's built. The way they win is going to be Transition, FT's & Bron/AD/AR/Rui making timely shots, team doesn't have the personnel to dominate teams offensively.

With that said there's no way a team with Lebron/AD is going to be a bottom 5 offense, things will correct themselves & i think they eventually end up somewhere between 10-15. We got in 8 new guys on the roster, half of them have been in & out the lineup & making it hard to gel & find consistent roles & minutes.

I think getting Vando, Gabe & Rui to an extent will tremendously help our defense & rebounding which leads to more transition opportunities & more FTA. with Vando/Cam/Gabe on the perimeter i think the energy will lead to more TO's and easier shots.
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You would say this but in the entire Bron-AD tenure we've cracked the top half of league on offensive efficiency just once, that was the title year. Every other year it's been in the bottom third or bottom 4th of the league.The problems that have always plagued this team regardless of personnel, namely shooting just never get better. Our defense has needed to be elite, which it isn't this season thus far.
 
MVP said:
You would say this but in the entire Bron-AD tenure we've cracked the top half of league on offensive efficiency just once, that was the title year. Every other year it's been in the bottom third or bottom 4th of the league.The problems that have always plagued this team regardless of personnel, namely shooting just never get better. Our defense has needed to be elite, which it isn't this season thus far.
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Even then the offense was barely in that top half (11th), they ranked 23rd in 3PA, they Ranked 21st in 3PM...... but they were top ten in offensive & Def Reb, top 5 in Stls & Blocks, & #1 in FG%

In Comparison those key stats this year? Off Reb (29th), Def Reb (4th), Stls (16th), Blk (6th), FG% (4th) FTA (8th)

That team won because they doubled down on an identity and played to the Strengths of Both Lebron & AD, but for some reason ever since they've tried to turn this back into a team that's good if it was Bron in 18-19. Lebron is not that much of a mismatch on offense anymore, to the point where guarding him 1 on 1 is going to create offense for others every time. So this idea of a 5 out, lets spread it around "modern style" thing they've been trying to replicate with minimum signings & MLE types has been counterproductive to them being at their best.

With AD & Bron both being Max guys there isn't enough money to field the type of shooting around them that isn't a liability in every other aspect, and as we have seen OVER & OVER again even when we get legit shooters, it doesn't work out for whatever reason

Malik Beasley is at 45%, 35 with Us
Dennis is at 36%, 32 with us
Lonnie is at 46%, 36 with us
KCP since leaving 41%, 37 with us
Gabe is at 7%, 34% for his career
Prince is at 29%, 37% for his career
Christian wood is at 30%, 38% for his career

We are using the little resources we do have to try & build a team to fit a version of Lebron that isn't his best anymore & not doubling down on our advantages & what has bought the team the most success anytime they've consistently won.

I do think getting Cam/Vando/Rui back will surely help with Defense & Rebounding, but if we get sucked into this habit of trying to look for "shooting" again it's most likely going to be a borderline starter/6th man who isn't benefitting the team if they aren't knocking down shots.

I think this team is way better than it's shown & i think we will see that improvement, but it's not getting far if they don't add more interior defense/rebounding/physicality. It's going to lead to AD having to over exert himself & being a fraction of himself at the most important times. Lakers need to lean into their very unique strengths instead of thinking a Lebron/AD offense is gonna outscore teams
 
trynafeelmink said:
Even then the offense was barely in that top half (11th), they ranked 23rd in 3PA, they Ranked 21st in 3PM...... but they were top ten in offensive & Def Reb, top 5 in Stls & Blocks, & #1 in FG%

In Comparison those key stats this year? Off Reb (29th), Def Reb (4th), Stls (16th), Blk (6th), FG% (4th) FTA (8th)

That team won because they doubled down on an identity and played to the Strengths of Both Lebron & AD, but for some reason ever since they've tried to turn this back into a team that's good if it was Bron in 18-19. Lebron is not that much of a mismatch on offense anymore, to the point where guarding him 1 on 1 is going to create offense for others every time. So this idea of a 5 out, lets spread it around "modern style" thing they've been trying to replicate with minimum signings & MLE types has been counterproductive to them being at their best.

With AD & Bron both being Max guys there isn't enough money to field the type of shooting around them that isn't a liability in every other aspect, and as we have seen OVER & OVER again even when we get legit shooters, it doesn't work out for whatever reason

Malik Beasley is at 45%, 35 with Us
Dennis is at 36%, 32 with us
Lonnie is at 46%, 36 with us
KCP since leaving 41%, 37 with us
Gabe is at 7%, 34% for his career
Prince is at 29%, 37% for his career
Christian wood is at 30%, 38% for his career

We are using the little resources we do have to try & build a team to fit a version of Lebron that isn't his best anymore & not doubling down on our advantages & what has bought the team the most success anytime they've consistently won.

I do think getting Cam/Vando/Rui back will surely help with Defense & Rebounding, but if we get sucked into this habit of trying to look for "shooting" again it's most likely going to be a borderline starter/6th man who isn't benefitting the team if they aren't knocking down shots.

I think this team is way better than it's shown & i think we will see that improvement, but it's not getting far if they don't add more interior defense/rebounding/physicality. It's going to lead to AD having to over exert himself & being a fraction of himself at the most important times. Lakers need to lean into their very unique strengths instead of thinking a Lebron/AD offense is gonna outscore teams
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I don't think this team is much better than it's shown at all. Our fate this season was always going to be dependent on AR taking another step (and he really hasn't at all) because he's the one unique talent that has the potential to be more than a one way player. Everyone else is just a one trick specialist like we've had pretty much the entire tenure of Bron here. AR fits a role, but he's not been playing a pseudo star level like he was at the end of last season/playoffs.

They absolutely will have to lean into the defense and rebounding because that's the only way we can consistently be competitive, let alone win against the elite teams. And the main reason they've tried to build a team this way around moreso Bron is because AD hasn't proven to be capable of not only being on the floor, but being that consistent force to lead when even he is there.
 
MVP said:
I don't think this team is much better than it's shown at all. Our fate this season was always going to be dependent on AR taking another step (and he really hasn't at all) because he's the one unique talent that has the potential to be more than a one way player. Everyone else is just a one trick specialist like we've had pretty much the entire tenure of Bron here. AR fits a role, but he's not been playing a pseudo star level like he was at the end of last season/playoffs.

They absolutely will have to lean into the defense and rebounding because that's the only way we can consistently be competitive, let alone win against the elite teams. And the main reason they've tried to build a team this way around moreso Bron is because AD hasn't proven to be capable of not only being on the floor, but being that consistent force to lead when even he is there.
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Yea that's where we differ (although i don't think this team is championship level as constructed), if any team is missing half of their rotation & all those guys are essentially new pieces it's going to lead to up & down performances like we've seen. Especially when it's that many defenders on a team that plays both D'Lo & AR heavy minutes, AD has to cover up everything and there's nobody else to do any of the rebounding or backline help (especially with regular season version of Bron on defense)

And i get it AD isn't the consistent #1 option that you can run an offense through (What big is who isn't Jokic, Some may argue embiid & every playoff he's looked like 7Ft Harden), But as we have seen A lot of the things that would help AD elevate his game also Help Lebron, especially keeping him fresh during the regular season.
 
Maximus Meridius said:
AD gotta get us more than 22....
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He does and he's proved several times over that he can, if the coaching staff team atleast attempts to help him out, No doubt that some of this is self inflicted but Cmon man, add this to him having to be the sole rim protector & sole rebounder on the court 90% of the time & we get what we've seen. Both times The Lakers forced things last year he proved that he could still be a high volume EFFICIENT scorer even without the jumper falling


 
trynafeelmink said:
I don't think this team is going to be a top tier offense, that's not how it's built. The way they win is going to be Transition, FT's & Bron/AD/AR/Rui making timely shots, team doesn't have the personnel to dominate teams offensively.

With that said there's no way a team with Lebron/AD is going to be a bottom 5 offense, things will correct themselves & i think they eventually end up somewhere between 10-15. We got in 8 new guys on the roster, half of them have been in & out the lineup & making it hard to gel & find consistent roles & minutes.

I think getting Vando, Gabe & Rui to an extent will tremendously help our defense & rebounding which leads to more transition opportunities & more FTA. with Vando/Cam/Gabe on the perimeter i think the energy will lead to more TO's and easier shots.
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No one has said they have to dominate teams offensively, but they simply can not be one of the worst offenses in the league and expect to be taken seriously...

The Lakers are averaging 15 pts a game from their transition game...the highest scoring transition team averages about 18, which is about the max any team has scored on a per game average over the past few seasons.

That's a pretty huge leap your suggesting...from bottom 5 offense to potentially top 10 lol. Not getting there just off more fastbreaks and paint points, it's going to require an outside threat as well. It's comical how just the mere thought of that makes some CEOS believe that people want to bring back the D'Antoni system...

Plus, lets be honest here. We expect this team to be worst case decent over the remainder of the regular season so it's really big picture/playoffs being what really matters... and the further you play, the better the team the fewer the turnovers and transition opportunities will present themselves.

Lakers have to be able to score consistently in their half court offense.... there is no argument to be made against that. The defense will improve when Vando and others return, but the more guys like him and Cam play the worse the offense will get...because the offensive load gets more demanding on Bron, AD and Austin.
 
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I dare them to fall behind double digits, much less lose the game tonight.
 
grittyman said:
No one has said they have to dominate teams offensively, but they simply can not be one of the worst offenses in the league and expect to be taken seriously...

The Lakers are averaging 15 pts a game from their transition game...the highest scoring transition team averages about 18, which is about the max any team has scored on a per game average over the past few seasons.

That's a pretty huge leap your suggesting...from bottom 5 offense to potentially top 10 lol. Not getting there just off more fastbreaks and paint points, it's going to require an outside threat as well. It's comical how just the mere thought of that makes some CEOS believe that people want to bring back the D'Antoni system...

Plus, lets be honest here. We expect this team to be worst case decent over the remainder of the regular season so it's really big picture/playoffs being what really matters... and the further you play, the better the team the fewer the turnovers and transition opportunities will present themselves.

Lakers have to be able to score consistently in their half court offense.... there is no argument to be made against that. The defense will improve when Vando and others return, but the more guys like him and Cam play the worse the offense will get...because the offensive load gets more demanding on Bron, AD and Austin.
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We Have Lebron making 47 Million & AD making 40 Million... we Have two stars who are elite but neither one of them are particularly good at shooting... The issue that arises there is that your left with very minimal resources to get scorers who aren't one dimensional & don't cost you in other important areas. IMO Rob has done a pretty good Job working around the Margins and getting scoring/shooting to compliment Bron/AD they just haven't delivered here. We are getting what's available, guys who are elite shooters & viable on defense are usually 20-30 million dollar guys & teams aren't giving them away for cheap.

Ideally if we are just looking at past performances, we surrounded LBJ/AD with the following Shooting this off season

40% on 7 3PA,
40% on 3.4 3PA,
38% on 3.4 3PA,
33% on 5.0 3PA
37% on 4.2 3PA
42% on 1.5 3PA

5/6 were expected to get heavy rotation minutes, the only one remotely close to their shooting from last year is D'LO everyone else has plunged 7-8% points. This is an extreme variance & i expect it to improve, but role players are role players for a reason. The players needed to turn this team into some sore of elite offense are not players we have the cap room or draft capital to afford & if we do then chances are they are weak defending, playmaking & rebounding.

Bottom Line is Lebron continuing to be a streaky shooter & AD completely losing all of his jumper while taking up the cap space they do is gonna anchor our offense a bit, there's no way around it. This imaginary shooting that we keep begging for COST & we don't have the pieces to get it.

Right now the Offense sucks..... and they're not doing the small things to make up for it. & personally trying for some 3 for 1 deal for another "scorer" is gonna hurt more than it helps.
 
pmatic said:
Need Klutch to muscle Brogdon to LA.

Yes,hes very injury prone.
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Brogdan and Ish Wainwright
For
Gabe, TP, Max, JHS and picks

Most I’d do. Because trading DLo or Rui for him doesn’t change much of anything.

*cue Pawn Stars meme*
 
MVP said:
Would do this but refuse to put D-Lo in any trade 😂
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Brogdan replaces all of Gabe’s minutes
JHS isn’t playing meaningful minutes anytime soon.

Between Brogdan, DLo and Reaves that’s like 90%+ of your guard minutes.

Bron, Vando, Rui and Cam are your forward minutes taking TP out of the rotation.

AD and Wood are the centers. With some 2 man big lineups.

Max is the actual thing you’re throwing in.

They have to stack salaries someway.


Also no I wouldn’t trade DLo. Nor would I trade AR. For pretty much anybody unless it’s 1 to 1. And Brogdan won’t be a 1 to 1
 
D'Lo is on a one year team friendly deal, he's the 2nd best trade chip we have behind AR. He's not going to be resigned long term and is kinda what he is. He'll be on the first thang smoking if a move is made.
 
Not a huge fan of trade talk so early in the season...

But since when does a guy like DLo who's basically on an expiring contract become this dude who's a non-negotiable in any future trade moves?
 
trynafeelmink said:
Even then the offense was barely in that top half (11th), they ranked 23rd in 3PA, they Ranked 21st in 3PM...... but they were top ten in offensive & Def Reb, top 5 in Stls & Blocks, & #1 in FG%

In Comparison those key stats this year? Off Reb (29th), Def Reb (4th), Stls (16th), Blk (6th), FG% (4th) FTA (8th)

That team won because they doubled down on an identity and played to the Strengths of Both Lebron & AD, but for some reason ever since they've tried to turn this back into a team that's good if it was Bron in 18-19. Lebron is not that much of a mismatch on offense anymore, to the point where guarding him 1 on 1 is going to create offense for others every time. So this idea of a 5 out, lets spread it around "modern style" thing they've been trying to replicate with minimum signings & MLE types has been counterproductive to them being at their best.

With AD & Bron both being Max guys there isn't enough money to field the type of shooting around them that isn't a liability in every other aspect, and as we have seen OVER & OVER again even when we get legit shooters, it doesn't work out for whatever reason

Malik Beasley is at 45%, 35 with Us
Dennis is at 36%, 32 with us
Lonnie is at 46%, 36 with us
KCP since leaving 41%, 37 with us
Gabe is at 7%, 34% for his career
Prince is at 29%, 37% for his career
Christian wood is at 30%, 38% for his career

We are using the little resources we do have to try & build a team to fit a version of Lebron that isn't his best anymore & not doubling down on our advantages & what has bought the team the most success anytime they've consistently won.

I do think getting Cam/Vando/Rui back will surely help with Defense & Rebounding, but if we get sucked into this habit of trying to look for "shooting" again it's most likely going to be a borderline starter/6th man who isn't benefitting the team if they aren't knocking down shots.

I think this team is way better than it's shown & i think we will see that improvement, but it's not getting far if they don't add more interior defense/rebounding/physicality. It's going to lead to AD having to over exert himself & being a fraction of himself at the most important times. Lakers need to lean into their very unique strengths instead of thinking a Lebron/AD offense is gonna outscore teams
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Couldn't have said it any better myself.

Your opinion (backed with factual evidence) supports mine and unfortunately, it is the unpopular one with Lakers fans on this thread because all the "Modern Laker fan" wants to see is the team shoot 40 threes a game. They hardly have a clue about what it takes for THIS Lakers team to win a championship when "The Formula" has been right in front of their eyes the last 3 years lol

But they will eventually realize it, and so will Ham, when they see this team get ousted in the playoffs once again if the Lakers continue playing this silly 1-Big, 5-out BS offense that Ham has implemented and will likely lead to the end of Ham's tenure with the franchise sooner than later.
 
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