**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins

[BIG LEEMELONE]

BI has the standing reach of a center. You have to take advantage of that and eventually run him in the front court for stretches. Randle does pretty well when matched up against 3s that aren't LeBron/KD. Russ is steadily improving at both guard spots. When you have these type of matchup nightmares it'd be silly not to experiment with them.

 

[junglejim]

The obvious conclusion is to just trade Brandon Ingram. 

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Not today Satan

 

[tonelow]

PG played the 2 a lot especially when Danny Granger was still good and had some of his best on/off numberserk of his career. Plus defensively it makes a helluva lot more sense than either of them at the 4. Most 2s aren't running off screens either.

I remember, he was in his early 20s he'll be 27/28 if we get him. That's a big diff.

I much rather have him guarding 3s. It's all moot until he gets here.

The main point is, regardless of the Dlo/PG situations, we have to see if BI can play small ball 4 in spurts. That's part of why he's so valuable.

 

[Lizakers]

I see BI as a pippen type SF
but I can see him becoming a Giannis type ball handling wing/guard hybrid

 

[junglejim]

I see BI as a pippen type SF
but I can see him becoming a Giannis type ball handling wing/guard hybrid

He needs to learn to play off ball or in ISO situations.  We dont need another guy who can half-assedly handle the rock.

 

[sohi 23]

Now that Lonzo is coming, I hope they don't try that ******** with BI at point again. I get why they did it, the team didn't have any spacing, Ingram was struggling shooting so nobody respected his range & the best way to hide Ingram's shooting woes was by putting the rock in his hand and letting him create.

Now Luke can stagger minutes so that either Dlo or Lonzo will always be handling the roc. Ingram needs to focus on his shooting (to provide spacing) and ability to score in ISO situations.

 

[trueprada]

 

[getback]

This line up is giving up 200 ppg

Team full of divas.

 

[chizzle]

Positions don't matter in this positionless NBA, but to answer the question...

I think they would "slot" PG3 at the 4 and they would just defend based off match ups.

Either way the future goes, Ingram needs to put the weight on.

If KD thrived at the 4 until GSW's system, why would it be far fetched to think PG3 or Ingram couldn't flourish under Walton? Walton flourised under the system.

If you ask me, it seems like the Lakers are trying to replicate the Warriors' system as best as they can.

D'Lo = Steph

Ingram = KD

Randle/Nance = Draymond

Before, ___________ chimes in, no they aren't anywhere as good as them yet.

 

[Lizakers]

If KD thrived at the 4 until GSW's system, why would it be far fetched to think PG3 or Ingram couldn't flourish under Walton? Walton flourised under the system.

You used "thrived" once and "flourished" twice. May I suggest "exceled" being mixed in as well?

 

[chizzle]

You used "thrived" once and "flourished" twice. May I suggest "exceled" being mixed in as well?

Wasn't that the vocabulary used in the argument? LOL.

 

[pmatic]

I would be pretty damn happy if Ingram was on the level of a Khris Middleton or Danillo Gallinari, let alone Durant or Giannis.

 

[sohi 23]

I would be pretty surprised if BI learned how to shoot as well as either of em.

 

[MVP]

You used "thrived" once and "flourished" twice. May I suggest "exceled" being mixed in as well?

KD barely played the 4 before this season and thrived at it? It'd be hard not to thrive with the best shooting backcourt and then Dray at the 5. 

And GS's best lineups were when they had an actual C on the floor in either Zaza or Javele Dray at the 4 and KD at the 3, not when KD was at the 4. 

 

[essential1]

To Chime in to some of the position discussion today.

Paul George hasn't really played SG at all since 2011-12 by the way, when he was moved to the 3. It's unlikely and somewhat foolish to move him back there. There was a reason they did that.

There's also a reason why his % played at PF has gone up as well because he's better defensively from the 4, and creates a nice offensive flow that is tough to guard. He played significant minutes from the 4 in 2015-16 (numbers vary from being a PF almost 2/3 of the time to 1/3 of the time depending on the sight)... And went all the way down to 20% because of Thad Young, had they not added Thad Young, he would have been playing the 4 a lot more.


Rebounding wouldn't be much of concern because Lonzo & D'Angelo are very good rebounders for guards. Ingram is a decent rebounder (strength will help him be better at it). George would do okay at the 4 (had 7 RPG at the 4 in 2015-16).... Would just need a really good Defender / Rebounder at the 5.


Not to mention the 4 spot is really a position in flux with most teams having no idea what they want to do with it.... George starts at the 4. Can slide down, with Randle replacing him, and Randle sometimes sliding up to make room for Nance Jr.


Truthfully, if George comes on board..... And you can find that Center you need... Clarkson & Nance Jr. would be the guys you would look to move for a 3 & D guy at the 1 or 2 off the bench.


Trading Russell would be stupid because even a worst case scenario, he provides you with a ball handler and distributor when Lonzo rests that is better than any backup in the league by a large margin.

 

[Lizakers]

Trading Russell would be stupid because even a worst case scenario, he provides you with a ball handler and distributor when Lonzo rests that is better than any backup in the league by a large margin.

Key assumption here is that we know what's going on behind the scenes. How can we on NT assert that Magic and Rob are stupid if they trade him when they are privvy to more information about him than we are?

 

[MVP]

Key assumption here is that we know what's going on behind the scenes. How can we on NT assert that Magic and Rob are stupid if they trade him when they are privvy to more information about him than we are?

They don't have access to his per 36 brah. Pretty damning that he explicitly was mentioned in the touchables though. He feeling that heat. 

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

View media item 2446786D'lo doesn't attack the rim. Lonzo gonna take his job.

Ball’s makes at the rim in terms of percent assisted is obscenely high for a lead guard prospect, and his unassisted attempts at the rim per 40 minutes is outlier low. His statistical profile in this area screams that he is not a lead guard due to a lack of ability on paper to put pressure on the rim, an important quality for a NBA lead guard to possess.

Does this mean that Ball is a bad prospect? Of course not. It’s one element of his game. But we’re talking lead guard translation here, and when you combine stats like this with damning tape that includes a reluctance to attack bigs on switches and the inability to shake college level perimeter athletes consistently with a basic handle, it doesn’t bode well for his capacity to handle modern NBA lead guard obligations as a driver.

Ball’s off-ball cutting will be a legitimate weapon, especially if he goes to the Lakers and fits into that motion-scheme passing and screening system. But for general lead guard purposes in the context of on-ball driving and finishing creation, you have to delineate between these two very different skills, and Ball is very adept at one and not the other.

https://fansided.com/2017/05/26/lonzo-ball-scouting-report-finishing/

Very detailed breakdown of lonzo's game for anyone who's not really familiar with the type of player he is

 

[mr j 858]

David Stern Says Mitch Kupchak Kept Lakers from Making 2011 Chris Paul Trade


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Not content to let sleeping dogs lie, former NBA commissioner David Stern rehashed the scuttled trade that saw Chris Paul nearly join the Los Angeles Lakers.

During the May 19 edition of the Nunyo & Company podcast (h/t Harrison Faigen of SB Nation), Stern blamed former Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak for the team failing to land Paul:

And in fact, in the course of the weekend, we thought we could re-do the deal. We really thought that Houston would be ready to part with Kyle Lowry; and we had a trade lined up for [Lamar] Odom that would have gotten us a good first-round draft pick. Not we, but my basketball folks. But [Kupchack] at the time panicked, and moved Odom to Dallas. So the piece wasn't even there for us to play with at the time. So that was it—just about what was good for the then New Orleans Hornets.

Source:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...kept-lakers-from-making-2011-chris-paul-trade

 

[mr j 858]

 

[frink85]

Stern full of crap. Mitch had to move Odom asap after the trade fell through.

 

[pmatic]

I'm over basketball reasons, but stop it Stern.

 

[pmatic]

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[pmatic]