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Nancy Lieberman too busy with Big 3?
What are the Cheryls up to? Swoopes & Miller.
**LA LAKERS THREAD** Sitting on 17! 2023-2024 offseason begins
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Nancy Lieberman too busy with Big 3?
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Might as well go family and hire Lisa Leslie at this point
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Since it’s been stand up comedy the last week or so on this thread…….I’ll join
Breaking News:
The Los Angeles Lakers have hired the ghosts of Jerry West and Jerry Buss to replace Rob Pelinka and Jeanie Buss, respectively.
On his first day on the job, West hired the ghost of Kobe Bryant to replace JJ Redick as head coach. Additionally the ghost of Buss has also brought in the ghost of Chick Hearn to replace Bill MacDonald to officially put Bill’s JAAAAAAACK In the box inside the refrigerator.
Breaking News:
The Los Angeles Lakers have hired the ghosts of Jerry West and Jerry Buss to replace Rob Pelinka and Jeanie Buss, respectively.
On his first day on the job, West hired the ghost of Kobe Bryant to replace JJ Redick as head coach. Additionally the ghost of Buss has also brought in the ghost of Chick Hearn to replace Bill MacDonald to officially put Bill’s JAAAAAAACK In the box inside the refrigerator.
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Now that I think about it the fact that JJ was interviewing for jobs low key then doing a podcast with Bron makes it extra dirty. 
"Oh you wanna be a coach? Nobody want you? We bout to have a spot for you"
"Oh you wanna be a coach? Nobody want you? We bout to have a spot for you"
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I wasn't a fan until I saw Redick wants to develop Max Christie. I'm ready for the lifetime contract.
Borrego the better coach though
Borrego the better coach though
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LMAOOOO guys wanna bring back the corpse of LONZO?
doods must have forgot how trash he was finishing at the rim, and now with NO MORE KNEES
he probably wont be in the league much longer tbh
doods must have forgot how trash he was finishing at the rim, and now with NO MORE KNEES
he probably wont be in the league much longer tbh
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Can't even bring him back because the team wouldn't be allowed to sign him if/when he's bought out.
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Soooo Austin Reaves and Rui for Murray?
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Here we go again
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More than LeBron's guy: Why the Lakers hired JJ Redick as coach
Among the big questions that will persist after the Lakers have finally and formally hired JJ Redick as the team’s head coach is when exactly general manager Rob Pelinka and the team got this idea.
A rival general manager told The Times that usually when a team fires a coach, as the Lakers did with Darvin Ham more than a month ago, it usually has one or two candidates in mind.
And that could be true, the Lakers and Pelinka sure that Redick would be the right guy for their team as it’s about to enter a critical stage. But how?
Redick, of course, has no coaching experience beyond his son’s youth team. His credentials include things he accomplished as a player, first, and later as a podcaster and broadcaster.
Surely, he’d need to convince them those things could translate, and the need to convince the Lakers should’ve kept him from being the near consensus choice to be the Lakers’ next coach.
It didn’t. Thursday, he verbally agreed to a four-year deal to coach the Lakers, according to people with knowledge of the hire.
But if the journey from Ham’s firing to Redick’s hiring was on a line, it turned out not to be a straight one. There was a surprise formidable candidate, a push for someone with more experience, secrecy and confusion.
It ended with Redick, and soon, that’ll be all that matters. But for now, figuring out how the Lakers got here is just as important.
Either the Lakers always wanted Redick or they wanted Dan Hurley? Or they wanted Redick then Hurley then Redick again? Or maybe they wanted both all along and just one more than the other?
Depending on who you listen to, the journey was either pretty straight forward, or it was overly complicated and full of unnecessary drama.
The truth? Yes, it was.
Before you can understand why and how the Lakers landed on Redick from seemingly out of nowhere, it’s important to remember why they were looking for a coach in the first place.
In two seasons with the Lakers, Ham had achieved about as much as you’d want out of a rookie head coach. He’d helped guide the Lakers to the Western Conference Finals in Year 1. And in Year 2, the Lakers won the inaugural in-season tournament, played good basketball minus a long December and were perceived as a real threat.
Internally, though, players had lost faith in Ham — too much experimentation, too many opponents’ runs swelled without triggering Ham timeouts, too many questions about his strategy and adjustments.
On May 3, days after they were again eliminated by Denver in the playoffs, the Lakers fired him.
One week later, Pelinka and the Lakers’ scouting staff was in Chicago for the NBA draft combine. The messaging coming from the top of the organization was that the team would cast a wide net and move deliberately.
The Lakers would look on current benches at top assistant coaches, including Denver’s David Adelman, Boston’s Sam Cassell and Minnesota’s Micah Nori. They’d circle back on candidates from previous searches, including Kenny Atkinson. And they’d even consider going way outside the box with Redick, who was a bit of a surprise candidate for the Charlotte Hornets opening.
But nearly everyone else — general managers from other teams, player agents, scouting directors and special consultants who spoke with The Times — all quickly pointed to Redick, some going as far to say that they believed the search was already done. Rumors of extended meetings between Pelinka and Redick in Chicago were one hot topic around the lobby bar and in the arena concourse.
The speculation was usually centered around three different factors. One, the Lakers were looking for someone with strong tactical inclinations and Redick’s reputation as a basketball brainiac had only grown since he retired as a NBA player in 2021. Two, there was a lot of confidence in Redick’s ability to sell himself as a coach to the Lakers because of his polish as a communicator. And three, there was this podcast that really highlighted the first two things.
And it was co-hosted by LeBron James.
James’ role in the coaching search has been good for the talk shows, an easy connect-the-dots solution to the Lakers’ decision to go so unconventional with the hire.
The chemistry between James and Redick, players who competed against one another for the entirety of Redick’s 15-year NBA career, is undeniable on camera. The two seem to see basketball the same way, committed to a level of basketball discussion that extends beyond the typical levels of surface discourse.
But Redick’s ascent to a favorite in the coaching search came without James’ urging. People with knowledge of the situation not authorized to discuss it publicly insist that James hasn’t been involved with the search. The messaging, both publicly from his representatives and privately from within the Lakers’ inner circle, has been that this search should be more focused on Anthony Davis (who doesn’t co-host a podcast with anyone and is under contract through 2027-2
than James.
In fact, prior to the first episode of “Mind the Game,” James and Redick had real no relationship to speak of, again, according to those who are aware of the situation.
Still, the show had to have given the Lakers ideas.
It’s Redick, a coach’s white board in front of him, talking strategy with James and disarming James when they disagree. It’s information the Lakers would’ve been foolish to not have taken stock of.
Even James’ pending free agency should he opt out of his deal probably didn’t complicate things. The general sense among people across the NBA is that James will ultimately return to the Lakers on what could be the final contract of his career.
Another factor came to light deep into the search, the Lakers seemingly locked in on Redick while he was preparing to call the NBA Finals for ESPN/ABC.
Pelinka and the Lakers were talking to other people.
Whether these things were motivated by a desire to make the Lakers’ search seem legitimate is, at best, secondary when you consider two things that actually occurred.
One, the first candidate to actually get the full interview treatment was New Orleans assistant coach James Borrego, a well-regarded, intelligent basketball coach who had some levels of success in Charlotte in a less-than ideal situation.
Borrego left the Lakers impressed (and without a job offer), but there were people in and round the team who were advocating for him in the search process’ early stages, people who knowledge of their sentiments told The Times.
And then, on the morning of Game 1 of the Finals, a bombshell story shook the NBA world.
The Lakers had been talking, quietly, with Connecticut head coach Dan Hurley about the prospect of luring him from the reigning two-time NCAA champions.
According to people with knowledge of those talks, they began “organically” in Chicago when Hurley was in town with his former players there for the draft combine.
While still interested in Redick, the Lakers went to Hurley first because of his experience as a head coach.
The interest was sincere enough that Hurley and his wife flew to Los Angeles to meet with the Lakers. And it was sincere enough for Hurley to cross the next major threshold in the Lakers’ search — he got offered the job
The contract, six years and $70 million, would’ve been rich enough to make Hurley the sixth-highest paid coach in the NBA (Hurley would’ve actually been fifth had he taken the job after the Pistons fired Monty Williams on Wednesday).
Hurley himself, in a bizarre media tour that took place after he turned the Lakers down, spoke about wrestling with the decision, even trading text messages with James, who in a twist, had once tweeted praise about Hurley’s systems after the coach appeared on another of Redick’s podcasts.
However, the speculation about a bigger contract — some thought it could be seven years and as much as $110 million — made the Lakers look either cheap or ill-prepared when it came down to knowing what it’d take to get him to leave college.
Hurley himself acknowledged there was probably a number that existed that could’ve gotten it done.
Bruised from the failed, public proposal, the Lakers regrouped and quickly got back on the road that everyone thought they were already on.
After the immediate dissection of the hire, the process won’t matter. The results will. And Thursday, as the Lakers finally got their coach on board, there’s real optimism that Redick can pull this off.
The Lakers love Redick’s potential, the way he sees and speaks the game while not being burdened with habits built coaching in a league that doesn’t exist anymore. He’s pointed to his adaptability before in interviews when discussing his potential interest in a move to the sidelines.
They believe Redick can not only be a coach who can learn quickly now, but one forward-thinking enough to help them as an organization as they lean more into internal development and the technologies and strategies that can aid in that.
These are things they wanted from Hurley, traits that they liked in Hurley. And the Lakers say they like them in Redick, too.
Now, the organization will look to bolster the coaching talent and experience around him. Sources with knowledge of the team’s plans say the hope is to hire at least two coaches with head coaching experience on the front row of Redick’s bench.
Ultimately, the Lakers coaching search ended on Redick — the place were people around the league were sure it would eventually conclude.
The path was unorthodox, but that’s neither here nor there. Redick is the coach, the risk the Lakers decided to take.
The past won’t matter much once the games start — the future deciding whether or not this was all worth it.
Among the big questions that will persist after the Lakers have finally and formally hired JJ Redick as the team’s head coach is when exactly general manager Rob Pelinka and the team got this idea.
A rival general manager told The Times that usually when a team fires a coach, as the Lakers did with Darvin Ham more than a month ago, it usually has one or two candidates in mind.
And that could be true, the Lakers and Pelinka sure that Redick would be the right guy for their team as it’s about to enter a critical stage. But how?
Redick, of course, has no coaching experience beyond his son’s youth team. His credentials include things he accomplished as a player, first, and later as a podcaster and broadcaster.
Surely, he’d need to convince them those things could translate, and the need to convince the Lakers should’ve kept him from being the near consensus choice to be the Lakers’ next coach.
It didn’t. Thursday, he verbally agreed to a four-year deal to coach the Lakers, according to people with knowledge of the hire.
But if the journey from Ham’s firing to Redick’s hiring was on a line, it turned out not to be a straight one. There was a surprise formidable candidate, a push for someone with more experience, secrecy and confusion.
It ended with Redick, and soon, that’ll be all that matters. But for now, figuring out how the Lakers got here is just as important.
Either the Lakers always wanted Redick or they wanted Dan Hurley? Or they wanted Redick then Hurley then Redick again? Or maybe they wanted both all along and just one more than the other?
Depending on who you listen to, the journey was either pretty straight forward, or it was overly complicated and full of unnecessary drama.
The truth? Yes, it was.
Before you can understand why and how the Lakers landed on Redick from seemingly out of nowhere, it’s important to remember why they were looking for a coach in the first place.
In two seasons with the Lakers, Ham had achieved about as much as you’d want out of a rookie head coach. He’d helped guide the Lakers to the Western Conference Finals in Year 1. And in Year 2, the Lakers won the inaugural in-season tournament, played good basketball minus a long December and were perceived as a real threat.
Internally, though, players had lost faith in Ham — too much experimentation, too many opponents’ runs swelled without triggering Ham timeouts, too many questions about his strategy and adjustments.
On May 3, days after they were again eliminated by Denver in the playoffs, the Lakers fired him.
One week later, Pelinka and the Lakers’ scouting staff was in Chicago for the NBA draft combine. The messaging coming from the top of the organization was that the team would cast a wide net and move deliberately.
The Lakers would look on current benches at top assistant coaches, including Denver’s David Adelman, Boston’s Sam Cassell and Minnesota’s Micah Nori. They’d circle back on candidates from previous searches, including Kenny Atkinson. And they’d even consider going way outside the box with Redick, who was a bit of a surprise candidate for the Charlotte Hornets opening.
But nearly everyone else — general managers from other teams, player agents, scouting directors and special consultants who spoke with The Times — all quickly pointed to Redick, some going as far to say that they believed the search was already done. Rumors of extended meetings between Pelinka and Redick in Chicago were one hot topic around the lobby bar and in the arena concourse.
The speculation was usually centered around three different factors. One, the Lakers were looking for someone with strong tactical inclinations and Redick’s reputation as a basketball brainiac had only grown since he retired as a NBA player in 2021. Two, there was a lot of confidence in Redick’s ability to sell himself as a coach to the Lakers because of his polish as a communicator. And three, there was this podcast that really highlighted the first two things.
And it was co-hosted by LeBron James.
James’ role in the coaching search has been good for the talk shows, an easy connect-the-dots solution to the Lakers’ decision to go so unconventional with the hire.
The chemistry between James and Redick, players who competed against one another for the entirety of Redick’s 15-year NBA career, is undeniable on camera. The two seem to see basketball the same way, committed to a level of basketball discussion that extends beyond the typical levels of surface discourse.
But Redick’s ascent to a favorite in the coaching search came without James’ urging. People with knowledge of the situation not authorized to discuss it publicly insist that James hasn’t been involved with the search. The messaging, both publicly from his representatives and privately from within the Lakers’ inner circle, has been that this search should be more focused on Anthony Davis (who doesn’t co-host a podcast with anyone and is under contract through 2027-2
than James.In fact, prior to the first episode of “Mind the Game,” James and Redick had real no relationship to speak of, again, according to those who are aware of the situation.
Still, the show had to have given the Lakers ideas.
It’s Redick, a coach’s white board in front of him, talking strategy with James and disarming James when they disagree. It’s information the Lakers would’ve been foolish to not have taken stock of.
Even James’ pending free agency should he opt out of his deal probably didn’t complicate things. The general sense among people across the NBA is that James will ultimately return to the Lakers on what could be the final contract of his career.
Another factor came to light deep into the search, the Lakers seemingly locked in on Redick while he was preparing to call the NBA Finals for ESPN/ABC.
Pelinka and the Lakers were talking to other people.
Whether these things were motivated by a desire to make the Lakers’ search seem legitimate is, at best, secondary when you consider two things that actually occurred.
One, the first candidate to actually get the full interview treatment was New Orleans assistant coach James Borrego, a well-regarded, intelligent basketball coach who had some levels of success in Charlotte in a less-than ideal situation.
Borrego left the Lakers impressed (and without a job offer), but there were people in and round the team who were advocating for him in the search process’ early stages, people who knowledge of their sentiments told The Times.
And then, on the morning of Game 1 of the Finals, a bombshell story shook the NBA world.
The Lakers had been talking, quietly, with Connecticut head coach Dan Hurley about the prospect of luring him from the reigning two-time NCAA champions.
According to people with knowledge of those talks, they began “organically” in Chicago when Hurley was in town with his former players there for the draft combine.
While still interested in Redick, the Lakers went to Hurley first because of his experience as a head coach.
The interest was sincere enough that Hurley and his wife flew to Los Angeles to meet with the Lakers. And it was sincere enough for Hurley to cross the next major threshold in the Lakers’ search — he got offered the job
The contract, six years and $70 million, would’ve been rich enough to make Hurley the sixth-highest paid coach in the NBA (Hurley would’ve actually been fifth had he taken the job after the Pistons fired Monty Williams on Wednesday).
Hurley himself, in a bizarre media tour that took place after he turned the Lakers down, spoke about wrestling with the decision, even trading text messages with James, who in a twist, had once tweeted praise about Hurley’s systems after the coach appeared on another of Redick’s podcasts.
However, the speculation about a bigger contract — some thought it could be seven years and as much as $110 million — made the Lakers look either cheap or ill-prepared when it came down to knowing what it’d take to get him to leave college.
Hurley himself acknowledged there was probably a number that existed that could’ve gotten it done.
Bruised from the failed, public proposal, the Lakers regrouped and quickly got back on the road that everyone thought they were already on.
After the immediate dissection of the hire, the process won’t matter. The results will. And Thursday, as the Lakers finally got their coach on board, there’s real optimism that Redick can pull this off.
The Lakers love Redick’s potential, the way he sees and speaks the game while not being burdened with habits built coaching in a league that doesn’t exist anymore. He’s pointed to his adaptability before in interviews when discussing his potential interest in a move to the sidelines.
They believe Redick can not only be a coach who can learn quickly now, but one forward-thinking enough to help them as an organization as they lean more into internal development and the technologies and strategies that can aid in that.
These are things they wanted from Hurley, traits that they liked in Hurley. And the Lakers say they like them in Redick, too.
Now, the organization will look to bolster the coaching talent and experience around him. Sources with knowledge of the team’s plans say the hope is to hire at least two coaches with head coaching experience on the front row of Redick’s bench.
Ultimately, the Lakers coaching search ended on Redick — the place were people around the league were sure it would eventually conclude.
The path was unorthodox, but that’s neither here nor there. Redick is the coach, the risk the Lakers decided to take.
The past won’t matter much once the games start — the future deciding whether or not this was all worth it.
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Would hate to come off Reaves in a deal. Would hate even more to come off Reaves and attach multiple picks. Hoping there's room for negotiation come next week...
Covers both bases (backcourt athleticism/defense and a legit starting 5) on great contracts. Feel a way about giving up the picks but beggars can't be choosers. DJM is kinda like a 3rd star and you get another legit rotation player.
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Gotta add another contract to not take more money back (JHS or any of the other min guys). Or else really limit themselves and could have to let Max go because they need to stay under the first apron.
(Assuming that’s a scenario they let DLo walk then use the MLE)
Or are they trading AR and bringing back DLo?
Just don’t see Murray happening. Not good enough, but has a market that would require sacrifices that in the end wouldn’t be worth it.
(Assuming that’s a scenario they let DLo walk then use the MLE)
Or are they trading AR and bringing back DLo?
Just don’t see Murray happening. Not good enough, but has a market that would require sacrifices that in the end wouldn’t be worth it.
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I think if you get Murray, you want to add him to Bron/AD/AR, rather than lose both AR and Dlo to add him
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Getting Murray is a long shot.
There’s a list of teams that will offer at least 1 first. A handful of teams that will offer 2.
which means that to stand out, gotta part with young talent.
If Lakers refuse AR in any trade, they’ll be outbid on most guys rather easily (that is without me saying they should or shouldn’t).
There’s a list of teams that will offer at least 1 first. A handful of teams that will offer 2.
which means that to stand out, gotta part with young talent.
If Lakers refuse AR in any trade, they’ll be outbid on most guys rather easily (that is without me saying they should or shouldn’t).
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Would hate to come off Reaves in a deal. Would hate even more to come off Reaves and attach multiple picks. Hoping there's room for negotiation come next week...
Covers both bases (backcourt athleticism/defense and a legit starting 5) on great contracts. Feel a way about giving up the picks but beggars can't be choosers. DJM is kinda like a 3rd star and you get another legit rotation player.
Don't think Dejounte is worth giving up Rui, Reaves and possibly D'Lo (or Christie even).
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Mind you, same cat said Hurley was locked, then went on a tirade about how he wasn't a Laker fan anymore....
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CP3 is 39 years old. For a vet minimum not bad (but needs to be treated like a vet min in playing time). But they gotta stop being so blasé about what they’re doing at guard before they end up with AR, CP3, Max and Gabe as their guard rotation. Because of the limited nature they can operate from.
They either
1. Need to be serious about trades (meaning they can’t half *** it trying to get Dejounte Murray or better, guards and assume they won’t need to include at minimum Rui and likely AR).
2. Take it seriously that DLo could leave for nothing. (Him opting in for a trade is possible, but not likely) And then they are even more screwed if they didn’t go about getting a star level guard. A star level guard I guess eases him walking.
Lakers so blatantly play their hands in these things that teams decide to push for more and hence the Lakers tax.
They either
1. Need to be serious about trades (meaning they can’t half *** it trying to get Dejounte Murray or better, guards and assume they won’t need to include at minimum Rui and likely AR).
2. Take it seriously that DLo could leave for nothing. (Him opting in for a trade is possible, but not likely) And then they are even more screwed if they didn’t go about getting a star level guard. A star level guard I guess eases him walking.
Lakers so blatantly play their hands in these things that teams decide to push for more and hence the Lakers tax.
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Rather give a roster spot to a G league or undrafted shooter/big than old *** CP
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Accurate
