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[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]
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give him a 10 day contract
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do you guys not understand the word 'improve'?
yes, a quality coach could improve our defense.
a black and white thinker would read that and think that I'm talking about taking our scrubs and making them into Ben Wallace clones.
Nnnnnoooope.
Improve?
Yyeeep.
yes, a quality coach could improve our defense.
a black and white thinker would read that and think that I'm talking about taking our scrubs and making them into Ben Wallace clones.
Nnnnnoooope.
Improve?
Yyeeep.
Look at the first post of this thread.
All those high expectations, now they're all lashing out.
Mark Madsen, today, would be the best defender on our team.
Well, if we fired Mike of course.
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I hate this 28-12 that everyone keeps bringing up. We couldn't beat any solid teams, and we struggled to put away easy teams. It definitely did not feel like a 28-12 finish to be honest.
Don't have a problem with D'antoni. Actually want him to succeed, he is our coach, which people seem to forget
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@ expecting progress on a depleted team
So you were there for their team meetings , pregame , halftime and during timeouts? Mike never talked to the team about defense during those times?
Stop assuming things based on what you see on TV
Lack of interest
I don't need to be in meetings when I hear the coach say "We spent 30 minutes on defense" as a serious response on how they have worked on defense. MDA isn't known for his defense we know this, we know he doesn't even try to hide the fact that he has no defensive ideas, why would the players hold defense as a top priority of theirs when the coach doesn't?
You've got to be kidding me with this "I have to be their in their timeouts" and it is one thing to talk about it its another to do something about. Mark Jackson can rah rah rah his team about defense in the huddles, but if he doesn't have a game plan what's the point?
K. They improve.
I mean, they just met their STARTING point guard 2 weeks ago. Surely he could improve their rotations, coverages, schemes, and hide Marshall (a poor defender) all in those 2 weeks, right?
Cuz they weren't playing halfway better defense with Blake, Farmar, and X all there, right?
We only judging on what he's doin right NOW.
But we the ones thinkin black and white? What colors y'all thinkin in?
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They beat among other teams, the Thunder, Grizzlies, Spurs, Nets, Warriors, Celtics, Bulls and Hawks during that span.
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It's whatever.
D'Antoni is the greatest coach. He has no flaws. He doesnt have to improve anything because we suck.
Give him his millions and watch the genius get his players to stat pad...and not win.
(How does it feel to read such a sarcastic extremely one-sided response with absolutely no middle ground of an opinion on the matter?)
Who cares anymore.
Its been the same story for his whole career.
Injuries, excuses, injuries, excuses... horrible defense... injuries, excuses, injuries, excuses... horrible defense.
But hes a great coach.
Cool.
It doesnt even mean **** anymore.
Our team is horrible, so i dont even care that hes the coach. Might as well have a horrible coach to go with the horrible players, "lose" the right way.
But 3-4 years from now when we actually have talent and weve rebuilt a competitive team, we'll have a better coach and we'll be headed in the right direction.
I know whether we argue about him or not, he wont be the Head Coach of the Los Angeles Lakers in 3 years... so i have nothing to worry about.
When we're ready to compete with better talent, we'll have a better coach.
So enjoy the funny quotes, the sarcasm, the hollow stats, and whatever else it is about him that is appealing to you guys.
Im not even mad. He's the perfect coach to occupy the seat for a team thats going no where. Its only temporary in my eyes.
D'Antoni is the greatest coach. He has no flaws. He doesnt have to improve anything because we suck.
Give him his millions and watch the genius get his players to stat pad...and not win.
(How does it feel to read such a sarcastic extremely one-sided response with absolutely no middle ground of an opinion on the matter?)
Who cares anymore.
Its been the same story for his whole career.
Injuries, excuses, injuries, excuses... horrible defense... injuries, excuses, injuries, excuses... horrible defense.
But hes a great coach.
Cool.
It doesnt even mean **** anymore.
Our team is horrible, so i dont even care that hes the coach. Might as well have a horrible coach to go with the horrible players, "lose" the right way.
But 3-4 years from now when we actually have talent and weve rebuilt a competitive team, we'll have a better coach and we'll be headed in the right direction.
I know whether we argue about him or not, he wont be the Head Coach of the Los Angeles Lakers in 3 years... so i have nothing to worry about.
When we're ready to compete with better talent, we'll have a better coach.
So enjoy the funny quotes, the sarcasm, the hollow stats, and whatever else it is about him that is appealing to you guys.
Im not even mad. He's the perfect coach to occupy the seat for a team thats going no where. Its only temporary in my eyes.
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I wouldn't consider the Nets, Celts, Hawks, or even the Bulls elite teams. Good teams sure, but not necessarily anything to write home about. Even the Warriors last season felt like a feel good team, not really a threat. Even this season I feel they are overrated, but that's something totally different
Won in January against the Thunder from what I remember, and then got blown out later on in the season.
Blown out by the Clippers every single time it felt like.
The Spurs game was toward the end of the season, after the achilles incident. The team was on a high, which usually happens after a team loses its star. Teams play extra hard trying to prove they can do it without their main guy. Also the Spurs were for some reason struggling at this point.
Miami handled them pretty easy.
Also wasn't the 28-12 run very home friendly. It felt like that portion of the season was easier. I wasn't too impressed with it, it seemed like struggle ball, not dominant as the record would indicate.
I will give D'antoni the fact that our second best player, Howard, seemed to not even try at times. It could be his injuries as well as his happiness/comfort level in LA.
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But all you dudes had them at 45+ wins and the playoffs.
You were told that wasn't happenin.
Now y'all pissed and lashin out.
At 10-9 tho, excitement was in the air. 8 injuries later, "coach sucks".
I cant speak for others.
But i personally predicted a 40 win season based on a HEALTHY team.
If you think that Mark Madsen suiting up in practices because we're so short handed equates to a full healthy roster ... then okay, you're right.
You really honestly think that some of us would of predicted anything higher than a 25 win season if we knew KENDELL MARSHALL JODIE MEEKS AND ROBERT SACRE were going to be our starters?
Cmon CP, you're a smart man. Dont play dumb. I dont know about everyone else, but why in the hell would i expect this current roster to realistically win 40 games?
Theres nothing to debate anymore, you'd have to either be blind or just foolish to believe this type of talent has a chance of winning basketball games.
And neither ska or I are saying D'Antoni sucks because we cant win basketball games right now.
We know hes not a miracle worker. We know he isnt GOD.
We just havent changed our view on him, the same view we had prior to the season.
Dont get why our opinion of him SHOULD change. Its not like we're specifically saying the guy isnt a great coach because he cant win with Kendell Marshall.
We're saying in our eyes hes never been a great HEAD COACH (key word head coach...we know hes a great offensive coach). And our opinion is still the same.
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I'm not pissed and lashing out at us losing per say. I'm pissed and lashing out by the way we are losing. Constantly being out coached, and showing no progress in any way. Progress doesn't mean winning more games or anything, but at least show me that we aren't losing the same exact ways and not learning anything from our mistakes. **** getting better, how about not getting worst? Is that too much to ask for?
I know you can say getting better or not getting worst can be correlated to the injuries and yes that is true, but I would love to see something different than the way we are playing now, something that shows me we aren't content getting drubbed every night.
I know you can say getting better or not getting worst can be correlated to the injuries and yes that is true, but I would love to see something different than the way we are playing now, something that shows me we aren't content getting drubbed every night.
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The thing with MDA is that he doesn't use his coaches during the games he's always coaching by himself I always see him by the scores table coaching I hardly see him talking to Kurt on the bench as it seems like he don't really care about defense
But all you dudes had them at 45+ wins and the playoffs.
You were told that wasn't happenin.
Now y'all pissed and lashin out.
At 10-9 tho, excitement was in the air. 8 injuries later, "coach sucks".
You really honestly think that some of us would of predicted anything higher than a 25 win season if we knew KENDELL MARSHALL JODIE MEEKS AND ROBERT SACRE were going to be our starters?
Some of us did predict those things tho. *wink*
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So you were there for their team meetings , pregame , halftime and during timeouts? Mike never talked to the team about defense during those times?
Stop assuming things based on what you see on TV
Lack of interest
I don't need to be in meetings when I hear the coach say "We spent 30 minutes on defense" as a serious response on how they have worked on defense. MDA isn't known for his defense we know this, we know he doesn't even try to hide the fact that he has no defensive ideas, why would the players hold defense as a top priority of theirs when the coach doesn't?
You've got to be kidding me with this "I have to be their in their timeouts" and it is one thing to talk about it its another to do something about. Mark Jackson can rah rah rah his team about defense in the huddles, but if he doesn't have a game plan what's the point?
How many times early in the year has he flip flopped the starting 5 to match up? specifically Hill and Shawne.
Why would he start Shawne vs. PHX ( Frye) then start Jordan Hill vs. Z-Bo and the Grizzlies then K-Love vs. Minn?
Thats not DOING something?
And why if he cared so much about his offense the he would play SACRE as his stretch 4? Why not Kelly... he can shoot. Wes? He can play 4 too and would be an offensive advantage at that.
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You posted the team "couldn't even beat any solid teams" during the 28-12 span. The list of teams I posted ranged from solid (Nets, Bulls, Hawks) to very good (Grizzlies, Warriors) to championship contending (Thunder, Spurs) last season.
I wouldn't consider the Nets, Celts, Hawks, or even the Bulls elite teams. Good teams sure, but not necessarily anything to write home about. Even the Warriors last season felt like a feel good team, not really a threat. Even this season I feel they are overrated, but that's something totally different
Won in January against the Thunder from what I remember, and then got blown out later on in the season.
Blown out by the Clippers every single time it felt like.
The Spurs game was toward the end of the season, after the achilles incident. The team was on a high, which usually happens after a team loses its star. Teams play extra hard trying to prove they can do it without their main guy. Also the Spurs were for some reason struggling at this point.
Miami handled them pretty easy.
Also wasn't the 28-12 run very home friendly. It felt like that portion of the season was easier. I wasn't too impressed with it, it seemed like struggle ball, not dominant as the record would indicate.
I will give D'antoni the fact that our second best player, Howard, seemed to not even try at times. It could be his injuries as well as his happiness/comfort level in LA.
*Shrugs*
I even forgot about a solid Rockets team too.
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Losing because we're "being outcoached" !!!!!!!!!!!6-fjvjxshjveytdbbggv
How you explain third quarter let downs smart guy? Even when we had a relatively healthy roster we'd get blitzed in the third quarter.
Lol debating with you is like with that dumb kid at school who is louder than everyone and just starts laughing when anybody says something to belittle their argument.
You are truly the cool guy around here.
Enjoy your rolling faces and everything
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How bout how many times has he left Jordan Hill sitting on the bench when we could have used a rebounder or defensive presence. There should never be a reason to start Shawne Williams, there should have never been a reason to constantly give Jordan Hill such little minutes on this team. For every good move MDA makes he makes 8 bad ones.
I'm done with this conversation though honestly, i'll go wallow in my Chargers loss.
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Opposing power forwards blister Hill for a 17.6 PER and they give up 110 points per 100 possessions.
Just because he plays with energy and rebounds the ball well does not make him a good defender.
Just because he plays with energy and rebounds the ball well does not make him a good defender.
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Great knowledge (no sarcasm)
Do you have the PER and Points Per Possession for our other forwards, i'd be really interested in seeing their numbers.
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82games.com
I should have prefaced the Hill stats by stating those are his power foward stats. His stats are better at center in a vacuum, but then that means he's playing with Shawne Williams or Wes Johnson at power forward, which doesn't seem to be a popular thing around these parts.
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