[:: LAKERS 2014 THREAD | POLL: Who Should Coach Next Year? ::]

[essential1]

Just don't take any risks, please. If the back issue isn't a risk then I'm fine with taking Embiid.

Surprised that Parker is behind the other three. Is it because of the Duke factor?

All based on who they think the player can be in 4 years compared to now.

 

[senorroboto2k5]

I meant based on Mitch's hatred of Duke.

Ford saying "Wiggins/Embiid/Exum - in no particular order" doesn't really tell us anything new. Seems sort of arbitrary to have Parker behind them at this point. Unless Mitch's loyalties are creeping up

 

[darthska]

Who y'all got in the tourney?

I'm not wanting to turn it into a 'NCAA tourney' thread. Just curious who y'al got is all. 

I got Florida on one bracket, Michigan on another. Then saw the entire ESPN NCAA panel went MSU. *shrugs*

 

[essential1]

I meant based on Mitch's hatred of Duke.

Ford saying "Wiggins/Embiid/Exum - in no particular order" doesn't really tell us anything new. Seems sort of arbitrary to have Parker behind them at this point. Unless Mitch's loyalties are creeping up

I know what you meant.

It's gotta be based on who they think the guy can be in the NBA.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I just pray that they get rid of Dantoni before whatever rookie they pick is drafted. This dude isn't good at developing players, all he has shown outside of phoenix is that he can make bad players look decent and the second they leave his system they regress to the bums they once were.

 

[CP1708]

Just don't take any risks, please. If the back issue isn't a risk then I'm fine with taking Embiid.

Surprised that Parker is behind the other three. Is it because of the Duke factor?

All based on who they think the player can be in 4 years compared to now.

My worry tho is Embiid is the biggest injury risk as well.

They took the risk with Nash, didn't pan out.
Took the risk on Kobe, not panning out.
If they take Embiid too, and he gets 3-4 great years then breaks down ala Bynum....


If Wiggins/Embiid come out anywhere close in terms of rankings, but one is a safer bet to last 12 years in the NBA, I hope and pray Mitch goes for that over the "traditional Laker big" way of things. :\

 

[senorroboto2k5]

It's gotta be based on who they think the guy can be in the NBA.

I find it odd that (based on Ford's info) they've only formed an opinion on 1 of the top 4 guys

 

[MVP]

Who y'all got in the tourney?

I'm not wanting to turn it into a 'NCAA tourney' thread. Just curious who y'al got is all. 

I got Florida on one bracket, Michigan on another. Then saw the entire ESPN NCAA panel went MSU. *shrugs*

FLAWDA Chomp chomp ska

 

[grandtheftbike]

I just pray that they get rid of Dantoni before whatever rookie they pick is drafted. This dude isn't good at developing players, all he has shown outside of phoenix is that he can make bad players look decent and the second they leave his system they regress to the bums they once were.

maybe the other coaches cant use the players effectively

see earl clark and mike brown

 

[CP1708]

This dude isn't good at developing players

followed by.....

all he has shown outside of phoenix is that he can make bad players look decent and the second they leave his system they regress to the bums they once were.

*scratches head*

**counts fingers**

I mean......

But......

Shouldn't.......ah nevermind.

 

[licensed to ball]

*sigh*

 

[pmatic]

at that draft board.

Mitch sees the same red flags with Jabari's game that I am seeing.

 

[CP1708]

Grant B (Danville, KY)

Why shouldnt Jabari Parker be the no.1 overall pick. He is the most NBA ready and seems to have all the tools to be a superstar at the next level. IMO he has seperated himself from Wiggins and Embid this year

Chad Ford (1:12 PM)
He might be. He's playing terrific again. He is the most NBA ready prospect in the draft. There isn't a lot he can't do. I think it's his defensive limitations and concerns about his conditioning and elite athletic abilities that are the only things holding him down from being a lock for No. 1.

JB (Orlando)

Best case draft outcome for the Magic (and their two lottery picks) is?

Chad Ford (1:27 PM)
Another combo guard and an athletic big. Dante Exum and someone like Noah Vonleh would be a really good haul for them.

My Lord.

Phil (KC) [via mobile]

Do you see the Celtics starting to reign in the veterans minutes at this point to aim at securing the 4th, maybe not likely but maybe the 3rd best odds?

Chad Ford (1:47 PM)
The Celtics, Jazz, Kings, and Lakers are all in this scrum for picks 4-7. There's a big difference between drafting 4 and drafting 7 in this draft. I wonder if all of them will start thinking about how to strategically "rest" players down the stretch.

 

[pmatic]

I saw the tanking last night from the Celtics.

Stupid Avery Bradley.

 

[CP1708]

They did it twice to us already. Lead for 45 minutes and then mail in the final 3.

Better not come back and bite us.

 

[kingjaffejo]

I cant imagine going thru all of this and only getting something like the #6 pick

I would seriously be sick to my stomach :x


Question: Does anyone in here know exactly how the draft works. Obviously the more you lose the more balls you get in the bowl to pick from once it starts.
But does anyone know the ratios/% between the teams vs their records???

 

[sb]

pepperoni, pineapple, and jalapenos....the DSA Hawaiian

you want to be a lakers fan . ska is handing out applications. we would agree on a team since we are opposites in the nfl

Embiid

Most upside of the draft.

Remember draft isn't for over 3 months. Plenty changes. Also teams haven't even talked to any of the players in the draft yet or had doctor's look at them.

no. no. no. NO. you cant trust his back. why wont anyone listen to me

Who y'all got in the tourney?

I'm not wanting to turn it into a 'NCAA tourney' thread. Just curious who y'al got is all. 

I got Florida on one bracket, Michigan on another. Then saw the entire ESPN NCAA panel went MSU. *shrugs*

i got smu

 

[sb]

minus whale end the pizza debate after i dropped these gems. thank me later fellas.

pepperoni

pepperoni, mushrooms, green peppers, onions, bacon

ham, pepperoni, bacon, pineapple

veggie

 

[CP1708]

I cant imagine going thru all of this and only getting something like the #6 pick

I would seriously be sick to my stomach :x


Question: Does anyone in here know exactly how the draft works. Obviously the more you lose the more balls you get in the bowl to pick from once it starts.
But does anyone know the ratios/% between the teams vs their records???

The lottery is normally held during either the third or fourth week of May.

To determine the winner, fourteen ping pong balls numbered 1–14 are placed in a standard lottery machine and four balls are randomly selected from the lot. Just as in most traditional lotteries, the order in which the numbers are drawn is not important. That is, 1-2-3-4 is considered to be the same as 4-3-2-1. So although there is a total of 24 (4!) orders in which the balls numbered 1-2-3-4 can be picked, they are all treated as the same outcome. In doing this, the permutation of 4 balls from 14 becomes the combination of 4 balls from 14. That is, the total of 24,024 (14! / 10!, or 14x13x12x11) possible permutations is reduced by a factor of 24, to 1,001 combinations (or 14! / (10! x 4!)). Of these, 1 outcome is disregarded and 1,000 outcomes are distributed among the 14 non-playoff NBA teams. The combination 11-12-13-14 (in any order that those numbers are drawn) is not assigned and it is ignored if drawn; this has never occurred in practice.

In the event a lottery pick is traded to another team, the record of the original team (whose pick it was before the trade) still determines eligibility for the lottery, and assignment of chances.

As of 2013, with 30 NBA teams, 16 qualify for the playoffs and the remaining 14 teams are entered in the draft lottery. These 14 teams are ranked in reverse order of their regular season record and are assigned the following number of chances

1.250 combinations, 25.0% chance of receiving the #1 pick
2.199 combinations, 19.9% chance
3.156 combinations, 15.6% chance
4.119 combinations, 11.9% chance
5.88 combinations, 8.8% chance
6.63 combinations, 6.3% chance
7.43 combinations, 4.3% chance
8.28 combinations, 2.8% chance
9.17 combinations, 1.7% chance
10.11 combinations, 1.1% chance
11.8 combinations, 0.8% chance
12.7 combinations, 0.7% chance
13.6 combinations, 0.6% chance
14.5 combinations, 0.5% chance
Here are the odds for each seed to get specific picks if there were no ties (rounded to 3 decimal places):


In the event that teams finish with the same record, each tied team receives the average of the total number of combinations for the positions that they occupy. In 2007, the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Portland Trail Blazers tied for the sixth worst record. The average of the 6th and 7th positions in the lottery was taken, resulting in each team getting 53 combinations (the average of 63 and 43). Should the average number not be an integer, a coin flip is then used to determine which team or teams receive the extra combination(s). The result of the coin flip is also used to determine who receives the earlier pick in the event that neither of the tied teams wins one of the first three picks via the lottery.

The lottery is conducted with witnesses verifying that all 14 balls are represented once as they are placed in the lottery machine. The balls are placed in the machine for 20 seconds to randomize prior to having the first ball drawn. The remaining three balls are drawn at 10-second intervals. NBA officials determine which team holds the winning combination and that franchise is awarded the #1 overall draft pick. The four balls are returned to the machine and the process is repeated to determine the second and third picks. In the event that a combination belongs to a team that has already won its pick (or if the one unassigned combination comes up), the round is repeated until a unique winner is determined. When the first three teams have been determined, the remaining picks are given out based on regular season record with the worst teams getting the highest picks. This assures each team that it can drop no more than three spots from its projected draft position.

A simple explanation: 1000 different outcomes of an experiment exist and are equally likely to occur. A certain number of outcomes is assigned to each non-playoff NBA team. The largest number of outcomes is assigned to the team with the worst record. The team with the second worst record gets the second largest number of outcomes, and so on for each of the 14 teams in the lottery. The experiment is conducted, and the team to which the winning outcome was assigned receives the 1st pick in the NBA draft. The experiment is conducted again. If the winner is the same team that already won, the experiment is performed over again until there is a different winner. The winner of the second experiment receives the 2nd pick. The winner of the third experiment receives the 3rd pick. After the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd picks are determined, the 4th-14th picks are assigned to teams based on weakness of record.

 

[DeadsetAce]

pepperoni, pineapple, and jalapenos....the DSA Hawaiian

you want to be a lakers fan . ska is handing out applications. we would agree on a team since we are opposites in the nfl

i pretty much hate the sport of basketball outside of college ball which i tolerate. that said, i think kobe is the man and respect the hell out of him

so we can half agree on the lakers because of kobe

 

[grandtheftbike]

no. no. no. NO. you cant trust his back. why wont anyone listen to me

because you had hopes of them going on a 30 game win streak to make the playoffs a few weeks ago

 

[sb]

pepperoni, pineapple, and jalapenos....the DSA Hawaiian

you want to be a lakers fan . ska is handing out applications. we would agree on a team since we are opposites in the nfl

i pretty much hate the sport of basketball outside of college ball which i tolerate. that said, i think kobe is the man and respect the hell out of him

so we can half agree on the lakers because of kobe

denzelmyman.gif

we even like pineapple and pepperoni pizza . we could order a pepperoni, ham, pineapple, bacon, jalapeño pizza and pick off what we dont want.

no. no. no. NO. you cant trust his back. why wont anyone listen to me

because you had hopes of them going on a 30 game win streak to make the playoffs a few weeks ago

the heart wants what it wants gtb |I

 

[trynafeelmink]

followed by.....
*scratches head*

**counts fingers**

I mean......

But......

Shouldn't.......ah nevermind.

If a player has only developed skills to be effective under your system then that isn't doing a good job at coaching basketball.... there is also the observation that he has found a way to ineffectively use Kobe, Pau, Dwight, Melo and i don't ever remember one good young player becoming better playing under Mike Dantoni.

His system isn't conducive to winning at a high level and his last two tenures have showed that. If you want to maximize the most numbers out of rotational players then Dantoni is your man.... if you want to develop superstar talent or win on a high level he's simply not that guy.

 

[CP1708]

false

followed by.....
*scratches head*

**counts fingers**

I mean......

But......

Shouldn't.......ah nevermind.

If a player has only developed skills to be effective under your system then that isn't doing a good job at coaching basketball.... there is also the observation that he has found a way to ineffectively use Kobe, Pau, Dwight, Melo and i don't ever remember one good young player becoming better playing under Mike Dantoni.

His system isn't conducive to winning at a high level and his last two tenures have showed that. If you want to maximize the most numbers out of rotational players then Dantoni is your man.... if you want to develop superstar talent or win on a high level he's simply not that guy.

 

[trynafeelmink]

false

My god your ability to cross words is that of a genius. Maybe Dantoni helped you with that skill.