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Must be a slow day in sports I guess...
Lebron James from jersey #23 to #6?
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basically.
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LeBron James....
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FACT.
This doesn't take away from the influence that Mike has in the game, but imagine retiring Mike's number and not Kareem, Magic's, and the rest ofthe guys that also impacted this game.
I don't disagree that Mike is the GOAT, but there are players as important, if not more important, than him.
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thats what i wouldve expected him to do
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The whole Jordan-Robinson comparison is not right in terms of significance. However, he should have compared Jordan more to Gretzky; the Great One's oftheir sports. His number 99 is retired by all NHL teams too.
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Comparing Money to Jackie?
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I think the writer just wanted an example to get his point across.
So what is the case for MJ? Yes, ALMOST everyone considers him the GOAT but definitely not all. Very strong cases are made for Wilt, Magic, Oscar, Kareem and so forth (and not lame homer arguments, real legit arguments). MJ may have been the most "popular" (by pretty much any measure you can think of) hands down but I just don't think that's a reason to retire someone's number. Really, I think retiring MJ's number is just a slap in the face of the all-time greats of the past... just because they didn't have the media, technology, David Stern, and the overall worldwide interest to bolster their case like MJ did.
Wow, Agree kind of, I mean I like the whole " Jersey Number Retired by the Whole NBA" Thing, but you have a very good point at it being a slap in the face of those that preceded MJ.
BUT, MJ to me, became somewhat bigger than the NBA, If you can really do that, He owned the league for a good 6-8 year stretch, he's a cultural icon and he did some things on the floor that were almost incomparable to the things that Big O, Kareem, and Wilt did. ( That last statement is pretty weak since i haven't watched any Big O, Kareem and Wilt games)
But Jordan didnt bring the league back from poor attendance and the "coccaine years (LOL)"...... That would be the Magic & Bird. Their numbersare not retired... neither should MJ.
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I was thinking another reason Lebron wore no.6 in the Olympics was because MJ wore no.9 during tenure in the Olympics.
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What are the odds that David Stern threw the idea out there, like, "Is there another number you might consider wearing? We could sell a few morejerseys."?
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Just saw this on PTI.
#23 should've been retired across the NBA, like what the NHL did with #99 for Gretzky.
#23 should've been retired across the NBA, like what the NHL did with #99 for Gretzky.
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Originally Posted by vctry20
Originally Posted by tmoney85
Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason
2³ x 2/3 rounded down + 3 - 2 = 6.
Kobe changed his number first...
yeah, first he wants to participate in a dunk contest now he wants to change his number. I think Lebron is trying to be the next Kobe..... NEVA!
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I could dig LeBron rockin 6
Was that not his USA team jersey #?? I could be mistaken
Was that not his USA team jersey #?? I could be mistaken
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Do it Lebron.
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Seriously though, would they really retire MJ's number and not Wilt or Bill Russell's?
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I see your point, but in all honesty, Jordan was revolutionary. Up until his reign, the NBA was dominated by big men and for the most part, were its stars.There were exceptions here and there, but mostly you had the greatest in the game being the Kareem's, Wilt's, Russell's, Erving's, yadayada...Jordan changed the dynamics of the game and we all know how his impact in the game of basketball had huge cultural implications.
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My Dad till this day says he Kareem is the best ever.Originally Posted by TheBlackHole76
I don't really disagree with you (MJ was obviously SPECTACULAR in what he did and his prime is only comparable to Wilt's prime...except MJ actually won titles).....that said, however, if you look at it really objectively, what did MJ do that Kareem didn't (pretend you didn't really get to see either, since most of us didn't get to see Kareem in his prime).Originally Posted by 1and12
BUT, MJ to me, became somewhat bigger than the NBA, If you can really do that, He owned the league for a good 6-8 year stretch, he's a cultural icon and he did some things on the floor that were almost incomparable to the things that Big O, Kareem, and Wilt did. ( That last statement is pretty weak since i haven't watched any Big O, Kareem and Wilt games)
Based on the hardware and the #s:
#1 career total points
#1 career minutes played
#3 career blocks (but remember that blocks weren't even counted until his fifth year. He would be #1 easily (he's only about 650 behind Hakeem)
#4 career rebounds
19 all star selections (most in history)
ROY
6 MVPs (most in history)
8 NBA finals appearances
6 NBA championships
11 All-Defensive selections
15 All-NBA selections (10 first team, 5 second team)
Undeniable offensive AND defensive prowess (like MJ)
Arguably the single greatest basketball move ever - the Skyhook
Again, I'm NOT trying to argue Kareem > MJ or anything like that. What I'm saying is that if you DIDN'T see them play and you just looked at the "accomplishments" Kareem is RIGHT up there with MJ. Point is MJ didn't really "accomplish" anything unique that no one else did. There's a player that actually has more numbers AND hardware than MJ had... most of us just didn't get to enjoy watching him play.
For a "cultural icon" perspective, yes MJ has a good case, but as I said MJ also benefitted from being at the right place and perfect time (Nike, adverstising, media, technology, Stern, a long stretch with no comparable superstars like Magic and Larry where he basically ran the league on his own)... along with, of course, being one helluva basketball player (and that's an understatement).
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do it Bron!!
single digits are better for players not named Michael Jordan
single digits are better for players not named Michael Jordan
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dont do it stern!
i dont want these #23 jerseys i got hangin on my walls to be throwbacks
and no they wont be throwbacks when he goes to the knicks
because hes never leavin cleveland
i dont want these #23 jerseys i got hangin on my walls to be throwbacks
and no they wont be throwbacks when he goes to the knicks
because hes never leavin cleveland
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this would be horrible business move for LeBron imo, stick to 23