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[Spectacular23]

[h3]'Antoni Sought Trade Of Carmelo For Deron Williams[/h3]
Mar 14, 2012 4:38 PM EDT

Mike D'Antoni sought a trade of Carmelo Anthony for Deron Williams, according to a source.

Williams was thought of as a better fit for D'Antoni's system.

The efforts of D'Antoni were overruled by James Dolan.

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...e_Of_Carmelo_For_Deron_Williams#ixzz1p7ra9FdO

 

[duba169]

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[mronegative]

which NTer been trollin Pringles wikipedia?

The team brought in Amare Whackmire and Carjello Anthony, and the Knicks qualified for the playoffs with a 29-53 record, before getting swept by the Boston Celtics in the first round of the playoffs.
tim?

 

[tim teufel]

Originally Posted by MrONegative

which NTer been trollin Pringles wikipedia?

The team brought in Amare Whackmire and Carjello Anthony, and the Knicks qualified for the playoffs with a 29-53 record, before getting swept by the Boston Celtics in the first round of the playoffs.

tim?



Lulz

 

[hongcouver604]

The Knicks enjoyed a brief revival this season after D’Antoni moved Jeremy Lin into the rotation and made him the starting point guard. The Knicks won seven consecutive games from Feb. 4-15, a stretch that almost entirely coincided with Anthony’s absence from the lineup because of a groin injury.

The Knicks have gone just 2-8 since Anthony’s return, losing any of the momentum they gained while he was sidelined. While fans at Madison Square Garden have taken to recently booing Anthony, he told reporters Wednesday he doesn’t want to be traded.

“Dolan is blaming the coach,â€

 

[throwback1718]

Wow I'm hella late. But the amount of dysfunction going on within the organization is nuts.
What are they even going to do in tonight's game? Like what plays? There's nothing here.

 

[pr0phecy718]

Dolan keeps pissing me off with his "getting in the way of things" approach.

 

[tim teufel]

Why would any player be pissed of mda getting axed?

 

[rashi]

As a Dolphin fan, there a so much similarities with these 2 teams.

 

[nychiphophippo]

I really hope that last report isnt true, firing a coach is one thing if all the players are on board with it, but if your leaders and best players are divided it's bad news.

 

[mronegative]

If my kindergarten teacher gave me cookies and candy every day and I couldn't read worth @*[email protected] she didn't give a @*+*....I'd be salty that they gonna bring in the Trunchbull or somethin...

 

[moonman818]

Originally Posted by tim teufel

Why would any player be pissed of mda getting axed?

Because the Knicks are filled with soft players who love to play in a soft system.

 

[Spectacular23]

I think Lin is mad becuase of this.

[h3]Scout: Departure Of D'Antoni Could Cost Millions To Jeremy Lin[/h3]
Mar 14, 2012 4:34 PM EDT

Jeremy Lin is expected to be greatly impacted by the resignation of Mike D'Antoni.

Lin's breakout was at least in part due to how he ran D'Antoni's system while Carmelo Anthony was out with an injury.

Mike Woodson is known for running an offense that relies heavily on isolation plays, which is a strength of Carmelo Anthony.

One scout says the change is "probably going to cost Lin millions in new contract."

Read more: http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...uld_Cost_Millions_To_Jeremy_Lin#ixzz1p7yJHnXl

 

[|A-Man|]

Originally Posted by tim teufel

Why would any player be pissed of mda getting axed?

Pringles main thing is getting the players to be his friends. He gets them to think a coach can be that nice and they can be successful no matter the roster. Even if he's not getting guys to play defense. So if he never gets the team to play insanely great on offense it's the players to step on defense.

 

[blackmagnus514]

That's on Lin to prove he wasnt a fluke. He desperately needs a left hand, not picking up his dribble near the free throw line when he dribbles and better D.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Originally Posted by blackmagnus514

That's on Lin to prove he wasnt a fluke. He desperately needs a left hand, not picking up his dribble near the free throw line when he dribbles and better D.

 

[big j 33]

Originally Posted by tim teufel

Why would any player be pissed of mda getting axed?

Because some actually wanted to play for him. Is that not obvious?

 

[moonman818]

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Originally Posted by tim teufel

Why would any player be pissed of mda getting axed?

Because some actually wanted to play for him. Is that not obvious?

I think the question is why would any player WANT to play for MDA.

 

[proshares]

Knicks problem bigger than coach.

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Fact: Carmelo Anthony and Amare Stoudemire are in decline. I predict a coaching change won't cure that problem.

D'Antoni's ouster (technically, he resigned) is something of a last gasp to rescue what is rapidly becoming the NBA's version of the Herschel Walker trade. Connect the dots and Denver could potentiall have eight rotation players from last season's Carmelo Anthony trade: Danilo Gallinari, Rudy Fernandez, Andre Miller, Kosta Koufos, Jordan Hamilton, Timofey Mozgov and 2014 and 2016 first-round picks from the Knicks. Convert the draft picks into anything useful and they could beat the Knicks just with the players they got in the trade.

As many have noted, the Melo-and-Mike show was not a great fit. Mike D'Antoni is a pick-and-roll, space-the-floor guy. Carmelo Anthony is a mid-post iso, turn-and-face guy. The only thing they agree on is the unimportance of defense. This marriage was destined to fail from the start, which is one of many reasons for D'Antoni's reported opposition to the trade.

Yet that unusual mix has buried the much larger and worrisome story in New York. Amare Stoudemire and Carmelo Anthony have maximum contracts for three years after this one. Regardless of who is coaching, they need to produce at something approaching max-caliber for the Knicks to have much success, as the very nature of their contracts (and Tyson Chandler's) all but requires New York to surround them with rookies and minimum guys.

And this season, those two just aren't anywhere close to that level. Stoudemire's decline has been more jarring and more widely documented, but Melo has lost substantial juice too.

Blame it on D'Antoni? Not so fast. Anthony has thrived in D'Antoni's system before. Remember, he played in the same offense for 27 games last season and averaged 26.3 points on 46.1 percent shooting; in the first two playoff games in Boston he was so torrid that the Celtics started doubling him any time he caught the ball closer than Vermont.

This year? Same system, same coach, but 32 games of sheer ugliness: 21.3 points, 40 percent shooting, more turnovers, fewer free throws.

It's tough to pin that on D'Antoni unless you can prove that somebody else was coaching last spring. It's tougher still when you remember Anthony played in largely the same system for Team USA in the summers.

Don't put this on Jeremy Lin either. Anthony hasn't played poorly only with Lin; he's been consistently subpar with everybody, in every situation, for the entire season. While the Knicks' recent losing streak has been the part under the microscope, Anthony has been depressingly average all year. To wit:

• He shot 39.3 percent in January, 39.8 percent in February, and 38.9 percent in March.

• He's at 40.1 percent at home and 39.9 percent on the road.

• He shoots 39.8 percent with Jeremy Lin, 39.9 percent with Iman Shumpert, and 40.1 percent with everybody else, according to NBA.com's new whizbang stats tool.

Change the conditions any way you want basically: He has been a 40 percent shooter this season, and scouts will tell you that he's not getting the same lift or explosion he used to. That is a much bigger problem than whether he's breaking plays in Mike D'Antoni's offense.

It seems a bit early for Anthony to begin declining, since he's only 27. But he has a big frame for a wing and isn't a great outside shooter; historically, players like this have tended to peak earlier.

And it's a double concern because Stoudemire has clearly lost much of the explosive first step that made him such a tough cover for opposing bigs. This was a major worry when New York signed him because of his two microfractures, and it's why neither Phoenix nor any other club was willing to give him the five-year, $95 million contract the Knicks did. Stoudemire's decline has been as visible defensively as offensively; whereas he used to rely on freakish athleticism to overcome fundamental mistakes, now he just makes mistakes from which he can't recover. Again, he put up great numbers for D'Antoni a year ago, but has declined rapidly this season.

So the Knicks will cross their fingers and hope it was the coaching, but there's no strong reason to believe this. Mike Woodson takes over, and based on his history in Atlanta will tilt the offense much toward isos for Melo and away from pick-and-rolls with Jeremy Lin, which is a bit ironic given that their only sustained success this season came with a Lin-centric approach.

But that's how they roll in New York; it's all about big names and winning the press conference. They'll worry about fitting the pieces some other year. For now they'll see if Woodson can salvage their season with a playoff berth and then throw their bankroll at Phil Jackson over the summer.

That's all window dressing. The crux of the problem remains that they're paying max contracts to two forwards who don't appear to be max players anymore. Coaching can't fix that.

 

[|A-Man|]

Not worried about Lin. If Melo is semi-running this circus at the moment he'll ask for Lin to be kept unless they're looking at a far better pg.

 

[crime wave]

So whose to blame now? 

 

[alleniversonfan01]

Originally Posted by Crime Wave

So whose to blame now? 

We havent even played a game yet. Blame for what? $%++% with this %#+$ right now. Can we get a week or 2 to see how things go?

 

[xbiker47]

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Originally Posted by tim teufel

Why would any player be pissed of mda getting axed?

Because some actually wanted to play for him. Is that not obvious?

I think the question is why would any player WANT to play for MDA.

Did you not see our team when Melo was out and the team was having fun and winning??

 

[that dude173]

Originally Posted by AllenIversonFan01

Originally Posted by Crime Wave

So whose to blame now? 

We havent even played a game yet. Blame for what? $%++% with this %#+$ right now. Can we get a week or 2 to see how things go?

ThisAnd now people shifting to blame melo... Here we go..

 

[moonman818]

Originally Posted by xbiker47

Originally Posted by MoonMan818

Originally Posted by Big J 33

Because some actually wanted to play for him. Is that not obvious?

I think the question is why would any player WANT to play for MDA.

Did you not see our team when Melo was out and the team was having fun and winning??

I did actually. You guys beat a bunch of scrubs and poor playing teams.