Los Zetas vs Anonymous Vol. Mexican Standoff?

[Pathos]

Originally Posted by Noskey

Originally Posted by RetroSan

sillyputty put me on with this Oliver North fellow cause my google search seems watered downed

Search 'Iran-Contra affair' on Google or Wikipedia and have fun learning.

damn, i guess i really don't know squat about my own country

read up on blacks being targeted by the CIA with crack

 

[i am knowledge]

It's a shame that the Iran Contra Affair isn't common knowledge to most Americans.

Oli North was a piece of ##$!. And while he did testify in front of Congress, he wasn't held accountable for anything.

It's no surprise that Ron Paul was dissatisfied with Ronald Reagan. A lot of Conservatives love Reagan but ignore how he ##$! on the Constitution by acting unilaterally with his own private military and illegal funding.

With the initial goals of the War on Drugs being so unsuccessful, there's a reason the U.S hasn't altered its policy on drugs.

Drugs fuel the Private Prison Complex, a new slave system, and an exponential amount of money for a certain segment of the population.

Drugs being legalized and regulated would cause an economic crisis for a group of people that will rival the 08 Mortgage Crisis.

And I assure you, if drug policy changes in America to eliminate a black market, the cartels will be Marching on 1600 Pennsylvania.

 

[jay23oth]

Hacker collective Anonymous and the drug cartel Los Zetas had a showdown, and the cartel blinked.

But questions have been raised in some quarters about whether the whole affair was an elaborate, if not potentially dangerous, hoax.

According to a translation of a message posted on the Anonymous Iberoamerica blog late Thursday, "On this day, our Anonymous friend retained by the Zetas cartel has been released."

"We have taken great care to verify his identity through contact with peers and friends and we can say that, while bruised, he is alive and well," the posting said.

The Anonymous member was released just hours before the November 5 deadline set by the hacker collective for a retaliatory action against the cartel for the kidnapping. In an ultimatumdelivered last week via YouTube, the hacktivists vowed to release the names and addresses of an unspecified number of people associated with the drug syndicate, which has been attributed with thousands of deaths and gruesome acts of retribution, including beheadings.

Following the release of the abducted anon, self-appointed Anonymous spokesperson Barrett Brown declared he would release the information on Zetas collaborators contained in some 25,000 Mexican government emails anyway because the cartel didn't know the person it released was a member of Anonymous.

Barrett BrownBrown, who has reportedly signed a six-figure deal with Amazon to co-author a book on Anonymous, later backed off his threat when he discovered that the Zetas did indeed know who they were releasing and left a note with the abductee threatening to kill ten people for every name of an alleged collaborator released by Anonymous.

"Nonetheless," he wrote, "several of the 25,000 emails are being sent to Der Spiegel for confirmation, and in the meanwhile I will be going after other cartels with the assistance of those who have come forward with new information and offers of assistance."

Anonymous has fueled the hoax questions by revealing little information about the victim in the affair. Also, the information it has released has often been inconsistent. On several occasions, Anonymous has vowed to release more information about the victim, but so far, it hasn't made good on those promises.

"We don’t have enough facts to draw any conclusion at this point," Fred Burton, an analyst for Stratfor, a private intelligence firm, told The New York Times. "It’s amazing to me, this whole set of circumstances."

 

[rex ryan]

Originally Posted by I AM KNOWLEDGE

It's a shame that the Iran Contra Affair isn't common knowledge to most Americans.

Oli North was a piece of ##$!. And while he did testify in front of Congress, he wasn't held accountable for anything.

It's no surprise that Ron Paul was dissatisfied with Ronald Reagan. A lot of Conservatives love Reagan but ignore how he ##$! on the Constitution by acting unilaterally with his own private military and illegal funding.

With the initial goals of the War on Drugs being so unsuccessful, there's a reason the U.S hasn't altered its policy on drugs.

Drugs fuel the Private Prison Complex, a new slave system, and an exponential amount of money for a certain segment of the population.

Drugs being legalized and regulated would cause an economic crisis for a group of people that will rival the 08 Mortgage Crisis.

And I assure you, if drug policy changes in America to eliminate a black market, the cartels will be Marching on 1600 Pennsylvania.

i've been studying and working on a paper for a class of mine about nicaragua in the 1980's and the whole contra situation. all i'll say is that when i learned about alot of the stuff that went down in the 80's it opened my eyes alot.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by RetroSan

sillyputty put me on with this Oliver North fellow cause my google search seems watered downed

Some simple explanations.�

If this makes it any easier these are two accounts i've found on reddit that make it easy to understand.

Explanation 1




It started when there were some Americans held hostage in Iran, which, if you, idk, breath, you know we don't like Iran, and really haven't ever. When they were under an arms embargo (which means we don't sell guns to them), we started secretly giving them weapons. Well, not giving, selling technically, and we were doing this for two reasons:

1. 
   We wanted our hostages back, and
2. 
   We wanted money to fund the Nicuraguan Contras.

This is obviously kind of a no-no; for one, Iran is under an arms embargo which means we really, really should not be selling them�anything, as, in general, if you're under an arms embargo, you aren't using your arms for any good. The other reason, and this kind of important, is that Funding the contras was banned exclusively, by congress.

Something I should say, is that this was a shady operation entirely. We weren't dealing directly with Iran, we were dealing with Israel who was dealing with Iran who was holding our people hostage. The plan was tell Israel to give their stuff to Iran who would pay them, then we would resupply Israel and recieve the money. This wouldn't be so bad, honestly, imo, if we just left it at that though.

Jump really quick to Nicaragua. They're fighting each other for power, really, after they ousted their dictator in the late 70s sometime. The two groups are the Contras and the Socialists, which I�think�were called Sadinists? Anyways, they're fighting each other. Contras are anti-socialism, anti-communism, basically US boner fodder. The Contras were, in the beginning, basically coming out of Argentina's pocket, but when they ran out of money, funded by the US. Then, congress pulled a **** move and said no more, and Reagan, being himself, decided to go on a covert funding spree. Well, ok, nor Reagan himself, as there's no proof he even knew the the $$$% was going on at this time, but his cabinet.

This sounds like it would be fine, a win win, right? US gets it's hostages, Iran kills itself (forgot to mention, they were in a civil war if I recall) over whatever they're arguing about, and America fights communism (because that always works out- Korea, Nam, USSR, etc)! But not so; they get ousted by an Iranian, I forget his name.

This wouldn't have been a�huge�deal, as Reagan should have been easily able to amend the situation; however North (he was a seargant on the national Security Council, if I recall correctly) had an extreme moment of dumb and decided to get caught shredding�all�the things.

Later, they go to a hearing, I think they ended up calling it the Iran Contra hearings, North testifies, everyone testifies, North gets sacked, whatever. This is the ending there.

TL;DR OF ICA:�We sell to Iran (who we aren't supposed to sell to) through Israel to get money which we use to fund the Contras of Nicaragua in their fight against communism. This was authorized by Oliver North, who was a seargant on the National Security Council. The whole operation gets discovered, North shreds all the things, he gets fired, America is pissed.

So, the next thing, why didn't this +$#+%$+ get in any trouble? Why did he get a show on TV?

Basically, alecar is right. He had partial immunity, and they couldn't use anything against him. He was well connected and well protected as a result of that.

But remember: he did spend a whole year and 15 days in prison before the ACLU got him released. Then, they mentioned his immunity. Then the Supreme Court was like, "nah, we don't need to redo this." Then the original Judge was like, fine, whatever. And he was released. Simple as that.

TL;DR ON WHY NORTH DIDN'T GET IN TROUBLE:

He was�supposed�to (and did for a year), before the ACLU intervened and got both the Supreme Court and original Judge to dismiss the case.

This one addresses more of the cocaine...and the controversial part people want to overlook...

Explanation 2:




I probably shouldn't discuss this in this forum but so many people know about it I think it's not such a big deal anymore. Anyway, FYI, I am the former translator for the NICARAGUAN CONTRA in Costa Rica during the Contra Scandal. Oliver North mentioned the work I was doing for him and the Contra during the Hearings; I don't know which day because I was in Costa Rica working at the time of the Hearings and was told about it by a relative.




�Here is the reason North didn't get into trouble: The US government (R. Reagan) authorized the Contra to bring tons of cocaine into the US in 1984 (December) because the US Congress cut off all funding to the Contra with the Boland Amendment. Reagan told the Contra that because he had given them his promise as President that he would never abandon them, he authorized them to fly cocaine into Mena, Arkansas' airport, where Clinton was governor at the tiime. Clinton got 10% of the value of the cocaine to finance his campaign for the Presidency. The CIA trained pilots from the Guardia Nacional of Nicaragua to make night flights with the cocaine from John Hull's ranch airport in La Fortuna de Guanacaste, Costa Rica, to Mena.




�So North was nothing but a messenger boy for William Casey who planned the operations and President Reagan who approved the operations. Since North was only carrying out their plans, he wasn't the one ultimately responsible and for that reason was pardoned.

 

[5am6oody72]

A guy I used to work with (at an architecture firm, completely unrelated) told me how he knew Barry Seal (pilot who became a double agent for the CIA. My coworker met him at church in Louisiana

) and was actually on those drug running planes with him smuggling drugs from Nicaragua into Mena, and dealing with the Medellin cartel and the Ochoa family. He told me many times they'd be flying into Nicaragua and bullets would be hitting the fuselage

Dude just brought it up out of the blue one day like, "Man I used to do some crazy #*!$ when I was younger!"

 

[james earl zones]

I'm glad more people are becoming aware of the CIA's evils and abuses of power. Theres a lot of American history that is conveniently skipped over in schools.

Sillyputty have you read up on MKULTRA and good ol Operation CHAOS? Its crazy what they get away with. Everyone reading this thread and doing further research should check out Behold A Pale Horse.

 

[mr jordan04]

Damn

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by Mojodmonky1


@Rashi - do you know anything about the guy who wrote this article?  This may sound dumb, but I am always a bit skeptical about the validity of articles (and their authors) that are filled with grammatical or spelling errors.  When I googled "Michael Webster Reporter" the first search result that came back was this http://jmcpherson.wordpress.com/2010/06/17/open-letter-to-journalist-michael-webster/ , which is another journalist basically calling out Mr. Webster.  Obviously there are always two sides to every story, so I just wanted to know if you had any additonal information about this guys credentials.  

That was an article I had saved a long time ago. I can post articles all day about Los Zetas being affiliated with the CIA, and I will still be called a "conspiracy theorist". I suggest you guys do your own research and find out for yourselves. There is a reason why drugs are illegal in this country, and it is to monopolize it.

Sillyputty and I have been posting stuff about the U.S. government and their drug dealing ways.


The CIA receives ZERO money from the government, they fund themselves independently via drug dealing, child prostitution, ect.




This is all funny anyway, the SAME dude to tell me "GO OCCUPY SOMETHING" watches WWE for his entertainment. Says a lot right there. Absolute joke, no wonder our country is the way it is, a country filled of ignorance.

can you point me in the right direction?  id like to keep an open mind about everything, but i would like to know that i am not just getting fed un-vetted info from "conspiracy theorists".  if the due dilligence is done i have no reason to doubt, no matter how crazy the truth may sound.
  

[table][tr][/tr][tr][/tr][tr][td] US-trained cartel terrorises Mexico [/td] [/tr][tr][td]
[/td] [/tr][tr][td]
Founders of the Zetas drug gang learned special forces techniques at Ft. Bragg before waging a campaign of carnage.
[/td][/tr][/table]

It was a brutal massacre even by the gruesome standards of Mexico’s drug war: 72 migrant workers gunned down by the "Zetas" - arguably the country's most violent cartel - and left rotting in a pile outside a ranch in Tamaulipas state near the US border in late August.

The Zetas have a fearsome reputation, but the real surprise comes not in their ruthless use of violence, but in the origins of where they learned the tricks of their bloody trade.

Some of the cartel's initial members were elite Mexican troops, trained in the early 1990s by America’s 7th Special Forces Group or "snake eaters" at Ft. Bragg, North Carolina, a former US special operations commander has told Al Jazeera.

“They were given map reading courses, communications, standard special forces training, light to heavy weapons, machine guns and automatic weapons,

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by James Earl Zones

I'm glad more people are becoming aware of the CIA's evils and abuses of power. Theres a lot of American history that is conveniently skipped over in schools.

Sillyputty have you read up on MKULTRA and good ol Operation CHAOS? Its crazy what they get away with. Everyone reading this thread and doing further research should check out Behold A Pale Horse.

Yeah man...I'm up on game...
The FBI infiltrated the Civil Rights mvmt with the most famous black photographer who was scared the movement would fail...

 

Op AJAX

Op. Northwoods.

Gulf of Tonkin.

My Lai.

Nayirah's Testimony

etc...

Bruh, I know TOO MUCH to trust any government.

Even the 9/11 commission was a joke. I'm not saying we did it per se, but we damn sure didn't get the entire story.

See, my parents weren't born here...so they already see how the US acts once they leave home and tells their citizens a different story. I have a different perspective on things. 

There is some good we do...and some bad that we do... 

Anyone who automatically believes their government is a fool in my eyes. Completely. 

 

[rashi]

sillyputty wrote:

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Originally Posted by James Earl Zones

I'm glad more people are becoming aware of the CIA's evils and abuses of power. Theres a lot of American history that is conveniently skipped over in schools.

Sillyputty have you read up on MKULTRA and good ol Operation CHAOS? Its crazy what they get away with. Everyone reading this thread and doing further research should check out Behold A Pale Horse.

Yeah man...I'm up on game...
The FBI infiltrated the Civil Rights mvmt with the most famous black photographer who was scared the movement would fail...

 

Op AJAX

Op. Northwoods.

Gulf of Tonkin.

My Lai.

Nayirah's Testimony

etc...

Bruh, I know TOO MUCH to trust any government.

Even the 9/11 commission was a joke. I'm not saying we did it per se, but we damn sure didn't get the entire story.

See, my parents weren't born here...so they already see how the US acts once they leave home and tells their citizens a different story. I have a different perspective on things.

There is some good we do...and some bad that we do...

Anyone who automatically believes their government is a fool in my eyes. Completely.



Kim Kardashian divorced Kris Humphries, though.

 

[Pathos]

sillyputty wrote:

Op AJAX

Op. Northwoods.

Gulf of Tonkin.

My Lai.

Nayirah's Testimony


just read up on all of that

i've always doubted this country but seriously? cray

 

[ecruteakcityboy]

whats going on?

 

[sillyputty]

[table][tr][td][size=+1]"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."[/size] [size=+1]--Herman Goering at the Nuremberg Trials[/size][size=+1]
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rashi wrote:

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sillyputty wrote:

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James Earl Zones wrote:

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I'm glad more people are becoming aware of the CIA's evils and abuses of power. Theres a lot of American history that is conveniently skipped over in schools. 

Sillyputty have you read up on MKULTRA and good ol Operation CHAOS? Its crazy what they get away with. Everyone reading this thread and doing further research should check out Behold A Pale Horse.
Yeah man...I'm up on game...
The FBI infiltrated the Civil Rights mvmt with the most famous black photographer who was scared the movement would fail... 

�

Op AJAX

Op. Northwoods.

Gulf of Tonkin.

My Lai.

Nayirah's Testimony

etc...

Bruh, I know TOO MUCH to trust any government.

Even the 9/11 commission was a joke. I'm not saying we did it per se, but we damn sure didn't get the entire story.

See, my parents weren't born here...so they already see how the US acts once they leave home and tells their citizens a different story. I have a different perspective on things.�

There is some good we do...and some bad that we do...�

Anyone who automatically believes their government is a fool in my eyes. Completely.�



Kim Kardashian divorced Kris Humphries, though.


 

I'm not a big ron paul fan because there are some other things I don't agree with but this right here is a POWERFUL understanding of whats going on.

Also keep in mind that this person WAS IN CONGRESS at this time.
So clearly he has access to materials and resources he can't speak on or make comments referring to and STILL have this opinion. 
But nah, ya'll dont wanna believe that your government funds the drug wars. 
Hell do you all even watch Boardwalk Empire?!?[/td][/tr][/table]

 

[rashi]

Very short reading material:

War is a Racket

Gen. Smedley Butler

 

[airphilippines]

A lot of knowledge being dropped right now, I gotta read up.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by WITNESSkb24

Yeah yeah, sheep this sheep that, heard this all before.  So what are you doing to fix all of this?  Spreading the word on NT?  

What do you want me to do?
Strap up and head downtown? 

Understanding whats going on is the first step to taking actions.

Shooting first and asking questions last doesn't work too well. 

By virtue of the dozens of people that are literally hitting me up from this thread alone via PM and admitting that they are learning about things that are IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN they are literally stunned by what they do not know.

What are YOU doing? Sitting here chastising others for seeking knowledge about REAL events and REAL people? 

You are exactly what governments trained you to be. Docile and Complacent. 

 

[tony goalie]

 

[usafant]

Originally Posted by Chosen One

Lawd....

So much information right now.

I can't eem process it.

Word...appreciate all the info being dropped though.
  

 

[born illa]

Originally Posted by sillyputty

Originally Posted by WITNESSkb24

Yeah yeah, sheep this sheep that, heard this all before.  So what are you doing to fix all of this?  Spreading the word on NT?  

What do you want me to do?
Strap up and head downtown? 

Understanding whats going on is the first step to taking actions.

Shooting first and asking questions last doesn't work too well. 

By virtue of the dozens of people that are literally hitting me up from this thread alone via PM and admitting that they are learning about things that are IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN they are literally stunned by what they do not know.

What are YOU doing? Sitting here chastising others for seeking knowledge about REAL events and REAL people? 

You are exactly what governments trained you to be. Docile and Complacent. 

  

 

[stickmandude]

[h1]http://news.yahoo.com/mex...-internet-224155885.html
[/h1][h1]Mexican drug cartel tries to silence Internet[/h1] By MARK STEVENSON - Associated Press | AP â€“ 11 hrs ago

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexico's hyperviolent Zetas drug cartel appears to be launching what may be one of the first campaigns by an organized crime group to silence commentary on the Internet.

The cartel has already attacked rivals, journalists and other perceived enemies. Now, the target is an online chat room, Nuevo Laredo en Vivo, that allows users to comment on the activities of the Zetas and others in the city on the border with Texas.

Already, three apparent site users have been slain, and a fourth victim may have been discovered Wednesday, when a man's decapitated body was found with what residents said was a banner suggesting he was killed for posting on the site. Chat room users said they could not immediately confirm the victim's identity, because people all post under aliases.

Despite such precautions, users are highly vulnerable, and the Zetas could be tracking them from clues they leave online, experts said Thursday.

A female chat room user was found decapitated in September with a similar message as the one found Wednesday and at the exact same spot, with a message signed with the letter "Z," which refers to the Zetas. Residents couldn't fully read the latest message, because the dead man's body was laid on top of it, in what appeared to be a more hurried execution.

"I don't know of anything like this having happened anywhere else in the world," said Jorge Chabat, an expert in safety and drug trafficking at the Center for Research and Teaching in Economics in Mexico. "It is certainly new and worrisome ... it is a frontal confrontation against the public; it is not just a confrontation with the government anymore."

Drug cartels in Mexico have frequently attacked traditional print newspapers, by tossing explosives at their offices or killing, kidnapping or threatening reporters. Violence against journalists in Tamaulipas state, where Nuevo Laredo is located, has led local media to censor themselves, leaving residents on their own to separate fact from pervasive rumors spread on social networks.

Juan Carlos Romero, who helps lead the press freedom group Article 19, said local newspapers have often stopped publishing crime reports out of fear, leading residents to turn more to the Internet for information like that posted Thursday on Nuevo Laredo en Vivo: where gunshots have been heard, where vehicles suspected of carrying cartel lookouts have been seen, which streets are safe to travel.

"What are people doing in the face of the lack of information, the kind of information you need to make decisions: Where can I drive? Can I leave the house?" said Romero. "People are forging new channels of communication on the Internet, social networks, Twitter, blogs, Facebook."

Drug cartels appear to have learned that such Internet sites reach far more readers than northeastern Mexico's small regional newspapers and have adjusted their attacks accordingly.

"We are witnessing a new behavior of criminal forces in the country," said Erick Fernandez, a communications professor at the IberoAmerican University in Mexico City. "We are in a new phase."

Romero agreed. "It appears to me that organized crime is trying to get common citizens to stop real-time coverage of violence," he said, saying that "the intimidation is having a multiplier effect."

Some of the site users vowed to forge on despite the two decapitations and the September slayings of two other people whose bodies were found hanging from an overpass in Nuevo Laredo with a message threatening: "This is what will happen" to trouble-making Internet users. That message was also signed with a "Z."

"I am ready to lay down my life for the cause, if the soldiers take heed of my reports ... (if) the risk (serves) for something," said one user who posted under the tag "Anon5182."

Despite heightened security awareness among the site's users Thursday, with warnings not to share personal information with anyone, they remain tremendously vulnerable, said Matt Harrigan, chief executive of the San Diego, California-based security firm Critical Assets.

A trail of information like cookies, server addresses, login and account information was easy visible for some users.

"I know enough about (one user) that I'm uncomfortable with how much I know about (him) just from visiting the site," said Harrigan. "Just from having looked up information about him, the number of things I know about the guy is pretty staggering."

Harrigan said it would be relatively easy, with the money the Zetas have from running drugs, to track down posters.

"If you're a Mexican cartel with hundreds of millions of dollars, there certainly are security experts in Mexico or former hackers, or whoever they are, that I'm certain they're for hire," he said.

 

[noblekane]

damn them dudes dont play... hunting online users like a straight horror movie...

 

[million dollar stacks]

yo yall ever read Behold a Pale Horse by William Cooper?! since yall spouting out all this info...about dudes in the Government.