Magic, Jordan, Kobe and Lebron Vol. First RING numbers.

[acbboyz84]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Too bad they don't give you rings for being western conference champions.

How did I ignore Kobe's game 4? I already addressed that

Originally Posted by quik1987

game 4: This was the game when Kobe stepped up and hit some big shots in over time. Kobe played pretty good and this game and had 28 points on 51% shooting, but Shaq had 36 points and 21 rebounds.

on his best night in the series,

STILL second banana

Too bad NBA don't give you a Finals appearance if you didn't play through the season and playoff.

You said Kobe was the same role player as Fish and Horry

It doesn't matter if you think Kobe was second banana. You already admit Kobe earned 3 rings. No more discussion for you


 

 

[acbboyz84]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Originally Posted by quik1987

That would just be another conversation Kobe is not apart of

Another pointless illustration. Stick to the point of the discussion or take your L. Getting desperate to minimize Kobe ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ievements_by_Kobe_Bryant

There are many records that Kobe has that most of the guy in your list doesn't have.

Stick to the discussion or take the L. You're getting desperate

It's not even a topic I brought up, but you're trying to put the L on me?
I made that illustration?
Desperate? Not at all.

Oh now you say you didn't bring it up lol

. Why did you post that picture then? You didn't bring it up but somehow that end up in your response okkkkkk

Desperation.

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Too bad NBA don't give you a Finals appearance if you didn't play through the season and playoff.
You said Kobe was the same role player as Fish and Horry

It doesn't matter if you think Kobe was second banana. You already admit Kobe earned 3 rings. No more discussion for you


 

When did I say this? Quote me, please.

I said kobe was a Role player, period.

I said Kobe earned 2 rings. Without Shaq.

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Oh now you say you didn't bring it up lol

. Why did you post that picture then? You didn't bring it up but somehow that end up in your response okkkkkk

Desperation.

It was a response to this:

Originally Posted by cartune

I just have a question

If you're judging individuals why dont indiviual awards hold more weight? Like MVPs.

Reading is fundamental.

 

[acbboyz84]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Too bad NBA don't give you a Finals appearance if you didn't play through the season and playoff.

You said Kobe was the same role player as Fish and Horry

It doesn't matter if you think Kobe was second banana. You already admit Kobe earned 3 rings. No more discussion for you


 

When did I say this? Quote me, please.

I said kobe was a Role player, period.

I said Kobe earned 2 rings. Without Shaq.

quick1987
Your list is a list of role players that supported my list

Robert Horry 2 rings given by Dream, 3 rings given by MJ, 2 rings given by TD
Scottie Pippen 6 rings given by MJ
Dennis Rodman 3 rings given by MJ
Ron Harper 3 rings given by MJ, 2 rings given by Shaq
Steve Kerr 3 rings given by MJ, 2 rings given by TD
Kobe Bryant 3 rings given by Shaq

Kobe win 2 rings without help of Gasol?
Shaq won 3 rings without help of Kobe?
Kobe won 3 rings without help of Shaq?

I didn't know one dude can win a championship by himself without a 2nd or 3rd option

yea getting desperate now for you

 

[quik1987]

I still don't see where I said that Kobe is the same Horry and Fisher. He's in that "special" group you speak of though.
I still don't see where I said Kobe earned 3 rings with Shaq.

Originally Posted by quik1987

In this series, Kobe = role player

This is not being a 2nd option, this is taking a ride on Shaq's back.

Stick to the point of the discussion or take your L.

I thought the point of discussion was First RING Finals numbers. You keep dodging that though.

 

[acbboyz84]

Again? Were you born after June 2000 or something? NBA season consist of 1 series now? You can skip all the way til June and play the Finals? Pacer was tougher than Blazer?

Kobe in playoff that year.1999-2000 22.5 ppg. 4.9 apg. 6.3 rpg 106 stl 36 3pm.

He wasn't a second option according to quick1987

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http://www.basketballreference.com/teams/teamyear.htm?tm=LAL&lg=N&yr=1999

 

[quik1987]

FINALS

Learn to read bro.

 

[shox23]

Originally Posted by CashBanks

Shaq lead the Lakers to those 3 rings unquestionably but, Kobe was more than a role player lets not be silly he wasnt the man on that team but he was a stellar player

I dont even !%!* with Kobe but dudes top 5-10 all time easy

for the record LeBrons first ring perfomance was much more impressive tho

 

[acbboyz84]

Learn to use your brain

You fail to see that the real challenge for the Lakers was the Blazers not Pacers

Nothing was given to Kobe. He earned them

 

[PRIME]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Originally Posted by PRIME

So wait, let me get this straight...


Dudes are in here saying that just because Lebron got both season and finals MVP in one year that means he's better than or accomplished more than Kobe? The group Lebron is a part of is something Kobe can't possibly compare to?

Right.... Thats stupid.

If anything they can be placed in the same room...Both Kobe and Lebron both have MVP awards, Finals MVP awards, and NBA Championships...



Dudes are in here just looking for dumb @%!+ to argue about now.

Why are you putting words in my mouth? I just said that is not a group Kobe is not a part of. Kobe did not win MVP and Finals MVP in the same year, is that a false statement?

So what, though? What really are you trying so hard to prove right now? No Kobe didn't get Finals MVP and Season MVP in the same year. But what is your $%@!%$! point? 
Lebron didn't get Finals MVP in 2009 or 2010, but he got season MVP. But what does that matter in this discussion?

Am I really putting words in your mouth? Cartune posted a question about individual awards vs championships and you post a chart of MVP's and say Kobe wouldn't be in that conversation? Why? Because he has 1 MVP? Does being a regular season MVP matter that much if you don't have anything to bring back at the end of the summer? 

From the cast you posted in that picture Kobe deserves to be in the conversation with Mike, Wilt, Bill, Magic, Bird, Tim, and Kareem more than Lebron, Karl, and Steve. 

 

[quik1987]

Stick to the point of the discussion or take your L.

I guess you took the L.

*sees list of players with multiple MVPs*
*says Kobe belongs there even though he only has one*

Y'all are too much.

 

[dmxfury]

So do we all want to read these two debate Kobe or just time to lock it up?

 

[PRIME]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Stick to the point of the discussion or take your L.

I guess you took the L.

*sees list of players with multiple MVPs*
*says Kobe belongs there even though he only has one*

Y'all are too much.
When I saw the chart I saw players who achieved season MVP. Does Kobe not belong in that discussion? 
Now that Lebron has gotten his ring is he not in the hall of Champions? 

Its like you're holding Kobe down for one thing, but he has achieved so much more than that one thing. 

Attacking the dude for having a better player on his team during 3 championships instead of giving dude props for leading the team to more championships. 

Yeah Kobe and Magic have the lowest first ring numbers out of the players being discussed. But look at their teams. Kobe and Magic clearly had prime veteran players (Kareem and Shaq) to help lead them along the way early in their careers to championships. What I don't understand is why is that such a problem... 

 

[do be doo]

Originally Posted by dmxfury

So do we all want to read these two debate Kobe or just time to lock it up?

should have been lock a long time ago.

 

[savraj1]

Even with the fiery opinions in here, I did not expect this to go over 12 pages. 

 

[duba169]

Whats the "did it the right way" t shirt mean

 

[Lizakers]

My 2 cents..... I dont think it's a fair comparison to compare Kobe in 2000 to lebron in 2012
Kobe was 21 years old vs IND, comparing Kobe in the 2000 finals to lebron in the 2007 finals makes more sense to me

Bottom line this is all stupid, they're all great in their own ways

 

[acbboyz84]

Originally Posted by quik1987

Stick to the point of the discussion or take your L.

I guess you took the L.

*sees list of players with multiple MVPs*
*says Kobe belongs there even though he only has one*

Y'all are too much.
Huh? When did i say anything regard Kobe season MVP? I said the list that you showed has nothing to do with Kobe earning his rings. You're really reaching for the lol. You're desperate dude lol

Go back the last page and quote me where i said anything about Kobe season MVP in regard to that out of no where list of your.

That's right. You're desperate hahah. Defeated haha

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by Lizaker4Lizife

My 2 cents..... I dont think it's a fair comparison to compare Kobe in 2000 to lebron in 2012

Kobe was 21 years old vs IND, comparing Kobe in the 2000 finals to lebron in the 2007 finals makes more sense to me

Bottom line this is all stupid, they're all great in their own ways

Do you see this list? Do you see Magic? He was 20 years old in that series. He won finals MVP that year too. Why is not fair to compare Kobe?

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Huh? When did i say anything regard Kobe season MVP? I said the list that you showed has nothing to do with Kobe earning his rings. You're really reaching for the lol. You're desperate dude lol
Go back the last page and quote me where i said anything about Kobe season MVP in regard to that out of no where list of your.
That's right. You're desperate hahah.

More evidence showing you have poor reading comprehension skills. This was in response to PRIME, who clearly recognized that I was addressing him when he said this.

From the cast you posted in that picture Kobe deserves to be in the conversation with Mike, Wilt, Bill, Magic, Bird, Tim, and Kareem more than Lebron, Karl, and Steve.


You keep calling me desperate, yet you have nothing to present me other than a youtube video of Kobe highlights that leaves out what Shaq did.
It's clear that you would be the first in line to suck the poison out of Kobe's member if a poisonous snake bit him there.

 

[quik1987]

 

[PRIME]

The problem with your post was you addressed him then turned around and responded to me but didn't quote me to be clear of who you were speaking to.

I understood which responses went where, but I could see how it would throw others off

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Oh wow  the Pacers was so hard to beat compare to the Blazer

. The NBA season consist of one series

. You completely ignored Kobe game 4. Horry and Fisher had a similar performance like Kobe in the series and they were as good or better than Kobe too right ?

You're out of resource. It's getting desperate for you in trying to minimize Kobe role

Who said i want this thread to get locked up? We can go on forever

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Another pointless illustration. Stick to the point of the discussion or take your L. Getting desperate to minimize Kobe ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ievements_by_Kobe_Bryant

There are many records that Kobe has that most of the guy in your list doesn't have.

Stick to the discussion or take the L. You're getting desperate

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Oh now you say you didn't bring it up lol

. Why did you post that picture then? You didn't bring it up but somehow that end up in your response okkkkkk

Desperation.

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Kobe win 2 rings without help of Gasol?
Shaq won 3 rings without help of Kobe?
Kobe won 3 rings without help of Shaq?

I didn't know one dude can win a championship by himself without a 2nd or 3rd option

yea getting desperate now for you

Originally Posted by ACBboyz84

Huh? When did i say anything regard Kobe season MVP? I said the list that you showed has nothing to do with Kobe earning his rings. You're really reaching for the lol. You're desperate dude lol
Go back the last page and quote me where i said anything about Kobe season MVP in regard to that out of no where list of your.
That's right. You're desperate hahah. Defeated haha

How desperate of you. Stop projecting your emotions b. Pull your skirt up.

 

[devildog1776]

Originally Posted by quik1987

In this series, Kobe = role player

Kobe stans want to lock this thread up so they can bury the evidence.

2nd in pts
2nd in blks

2nd in asst

2nd in blks

and 1st in FT % IS A ROLE PLAYER????? 

GET THESE DWEEBS OUT THIS THREAD

BRIAN SHAW TOOK LIKE 2 FTS THE WHOLE SERIES, SO HIS % IS VOID

 

[quik1987]

Originally Posted by devildog1776

Originally Posted by quik1987

In this series, Kobe = role player

Kobe stans want to lock this thread up so they can bury the evidence.

2nd in pts
2nd in blks

2nd in asst

2nd in blks

and 1st in FT % IS A ROLE PLAYER????? 

GET THESE DWEEBS OUT THIS THREAD

BRIAN SHAW TOOK LIKE 2 FTS THE WHOLE SERIES, SO HIS % IS VOID

You had to reach to FT% and dismiss Shaw just so that you could say that Kobe was number 1 at something

 

[glasses]

Who cares about all the hoopla and technical statistics in every category

what it comes down to is

Kobe in his prime > LeBron in his prime

I would take prime kobe on my team over prime LeBron anyday.

killer instinct, better footwork, better post game, better shooter in his prime

lebron is better defender, passer, and penetrater