Mass shooting in San Bernardino

[HEATHEN]

Listen if they tell me they are islamic and doing stuff for allah, i am inclined to believe them. That doesn't mean they aren't practicing a bastardized version, or that the majority of muslims don't see things as they do.

They have an interpretation of islam that they are carrying out. It doesn't matter whether or not you comsider it the "true" islam.

The only reason it's important is because if you do not understand the problem as a whole and their ideology, i don't think you can truly fight it. This is why i am very against totally dismissing the religious aspect of the issue in a knee jerk reaction

Listen if they tell me they are zionist and they are doing stuff for Jews, I am inclined to believe them.

If George Bush tells me the war in Iraq is a crusade, no matter if the war is illegal, I am inclined to believe him

If slavers cited the bible to justify slavery, I am inclined to believe them.


I am inclined b, mad inclined.

 

[HEATHEN]

Mad men can "lace" their insane doctrines with all the theology they want, it's up to us to know better.


Personally, I think the world would be better off without any religion but even I know that religions don't commit atrocities, people with ulterior agendas, social, political, financial do.


People are going to forever twist scriptures and interpret things they want to so they can keep on doing whatever they want to do. Likewise, people with their own set of motives will see that, and in turn vilify a religion and its adherents.


I'm not going to play that game.

 

[rolaholic]

Amen to that,as ironic as it is

My mind was blown by this tidbit,crazy how much of an opposite his brother was,he's a decorated "War on Terror" Navy vet

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...ooter-is-in-fact-a-navy-veteran-a6760036.html

 

[HEATHEN]

Crazy.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Nice deflection, with that narrow criteria.

Because those dudes molesting kids damb well disgustingly use their religion as cover in many other ways.

-So if an ISIS solider doesn't scream "allahu akbar", and strictly talks about his hate for Western Culture, the Islam has nothing to do with his horrible acts?

Just trying to apply your logic to different scenarios.

I am much more ready to say that if jews are doing something disgusting in the name of their god.... their religion is a part of the problem, then you would be to say the same about islam.

It's clearly PART of the issue.

But we don't paint Jewish people as child molesters in the public or in the media

We don't make arguments to quantify how many Jews support child molestation

However you seem real comfortable with that happening to muslims with terrorism.

Religion is part of the problem, in many cases, I agree. But people are walking around like Islam is some special case. And I call bull **** on that

-There other factors at play, but you seem real focused on Islam part. Real ******* focused

 

[EddieDoyers]

That's why I'm agnostic man, crazy people be using religion as a form of control and reasoning for their actions

 

[sea manup]

Maybe I should just up and move to Canada.

It's great up here

 

[HEATHEN]

It's great up here

Seriously considering it.

 

[dman14]

It's great up here

Seriously considering it.

checking out spots in toronto

 

[jab step]

 

 

Nice deflection, with that narrow criteria.

Because those dudes molesting kids damb well disgustingly use their religion as cover in many other ways.

-So if an ISIS solider doesn't scream "allahu akbar", and strictly talks about his hate for Western Culture, the Islam has nothing to do with his horrible acts?

Just trying to apply your logic to different scenarios.

I am much more ready to say that if jews are doing something disgusting in the name of their god.... their religion is a part of the problem, then you would be to say the same about islam.

It's clearly PART of the issue.

But we don't paint Jewish people as child molesters in the public or in the media

We don't make arguments to quantify how many Jews support child molestation

However you seem real comfortable with that happening to muslims with terrorism.

Religion is part of the problem, in many cases, I agree. But people are walking around like Islam is some special case. And I call bull **** on that

-There other factors at play, but you seem real focused on Islam part. Real ******* focused

I think what Dub needs to understand and some people need to understand is that all these things happening is an Islamic issue, but not an issue of Islam itself. It may seem like semantics, but there's a clear distinction between those two points. 

These events are an Islamic issue because the people that do these acts consider themselves Muslim and use Islam as the reason for why they commit these atrocities. What's interesting is there's nothing about Islam that makes them more likely to conduct these actions compared to any other religion. But since these people that commit these murders are Muslims, the Islamic world has to deal with it/do something. You can't necessarily say the terrorists don't represent Islam because in their minds they do represent Islam and are practicing the pure form of him. Religion is open to interpretation. It's based on books, which are open to interpretation. So what exactly can be done and should be done? I don't have the solution. 

This is where there is a lack of understanding for a lot of people. Religion isn't what shapes human values, even if people argue this. Our values shape religion. What shapes our values? Socio-economic factors, political factors, and circumstance that influence culture. I'm no expert in this but the Islamic world at one point was at the peak of enlightment. Many discoveries in astronomy have Arabic names etc because they were above other cultures when it came to scientific discoveries etc. Gradually they went away from this and have slowed down and haven't gone through an enlightment period such as what happened in Christian civilizations. On top of this, currently, all the political instability, corruption, western inteference has affected the socio-economic structure, the politics, and culture of these Islamic areas causing their values to conduct these terrorist actions. 

Hopefully I made sense. 

 

[ace rawstein]

i cant believe what happened with the media and random people being all in their crib like that.... thats unbelievable and disgusting.

as a viewer we gained absolutely nothing from witnessing that.

 

[eracism]

i cant believe what happened with the media and random people being all in their crib like that.... thats unbelievable and disgusting.

as a viewer we gained absolutely nothing from witnessing that.

The majority of viewers are slobs who have more than enough time to get mad at something.

 

[rolaholic]

god damn that land lord was an idiot :x

Looks like justice might be served there...

@passantino: CNN reporters outside San Bernardino killers' home says landlord was escorted away by law enforcement, put into unmarked vehicle

 

[getback]

i cant believe what happened with the media and random people being all in their crib like that.... thats unbelievable and disgusting.

What happened? I stopped following after the day it happened because all the speculation is ridiculous.

 

[HEATHEN]

checking out spots in toronto

Is the whole Toronto the "six" or a certain area.

I want to run through the six with my woes.

 

[EddieDoyers]

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/05/u...o-san-bernardino-suspects-apartment.html?_r=0

Good lord :x
With people like the landlord and the media, no wonder America is such a mess

 

[lovehateself]

 

god damn that land lord was an idiot

Looks like justice might be served there...

@passantino: CNN reporters outside San Bernardino killers' home says landlord was escorted away by law enforcement, put into unmarked vehicle

dude is never gonna be heard from again 

 

[getback]

Landlord looks like Al Davis.

 

[Nawzlew]

i cant believe what happened with the media and random people being all in their crib like that.... thats unbelievable and disgusting.

What happened? I stopped following after the day it happened because all the speculation is ridiculous.

landlord basically let the media into his apartment.

http://mashable.com/2015/12/04/san-bernardino-shooters-apartment-journalists/#tEkQlS86Kgq0




heard msnbc was posting info about his family. random people who werent even part of the media were in there too

 

[me love nutella]

This story is so confusing. With so much uncertainty around it I'm just holding out for more information.

The problem is that not everyone feels that way. People heard "Syed" over the police scanner and the case was closed. And it's really heightened the anti-Islamic sentiment to a new level. I've heard so many stories from friends and acquaintances being followed, intimidated, being called spies and ISIS while doing stuff as routine as getting coffee at starbucks or while driving. Some cases in the midwest, but even in the more liberal parts of the country like NYC and NJ.

For fearful Americans, it's not enough to just keep an eye on the lone Muslim men anymore. Now you need to keep an eye out on the couples as well; that brown couple with a baby stroller in the park might be hiding pipe bombs next to their infant. Women in hijaab don't deserve any respect as females anymore; they are just as much a threat to your safety as the men are.

Republicans are calling for a war time president, saying we're on the brink of the next world war. Things are approaching a precipice. God forbid it, but say we see another 2 or 3 attacks of the same magnitude in the next 3 weeks. How much further can things go? And if that happens, and the right is pushing for all out aggression, then the left will fold like a house of cards as they have done in the past. Their weak counter-argument of "its the guns stupid!" will not stand another couple of instances like this one.

There is so much wrong and things off with this story.

People don't understand they should not believe everything they hear or read.

So convenient this happened right after the planned parenthood shooting which was done by a christian wing nut. So convenient this happened around the days Obama care was repealed in the Senate and the U.K voted in Parliament to deploy airstrikes to Syria.

There is a deep secretive operation at work to fuel these terroristic acts to dehumanizing muslims and further agendas and interests. 9/11 was the catalyst and this is just the continuation.

Think about this as a whole. Who is benefitting. Read further into all this.

 

[youngwolf]

^

Or it was just a couple of nutjobs that decided to take a piece of fiction way too serious.

 

[deleted]

Right

Everything is a conspiracy

 

[sea manup]

i cant even imagine the mental strain that would come from living life refusing to believe that things happen just because 

 

[superblytrife]

I knew it
Terrorism
Killing innocent people for nothing

Man, you really went out on a limb with that one, Mr. Soothsayer.

 

[tupac jordan]

I can't believe the landlord would let people in his tenant's space after they went on a killing spree!