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I like Denver and I’m a big fan of Gary Harris but I’m leaning towards pulling for Forbes and Pop. Should be a great game.
**NBA FINALS THREAD - RAPTORS DEFY GRAVITY**
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by HIM,
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- May 12, 2008
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Thought Kawhi was a fun guy.
- Jun 14, 2013
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Eh. KD is Thanos
- Oct 18, 2011
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GS gonna really appreciate KD once he leaves.
dacomeup
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- Jan 20, 2006
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James Harden absolutely has to be in that convo.The “best in the world” title really should be between two people. KD & Steph. They happen to play on the same team. So ppl hate it. But they know deep down what it is.
- Aug 20, 2001
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That’s the thing....I think the GSW fans do appreciate him but the media and other fan bases have created this narrative that he’s not appreciated. He went there to win titles and is 2/2 with two Finals MVPs. Literally what else could he or their fans ask for
- Jan 2, 2010
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Everyone will be reminded if/when he’s silly enough to leave Steph Klay & Kerr
It’s like everyone is forgetting the how & why he switched teams in the first place. It wasn’t all on Russ
KD was trash games 5 and 6 when they blew that 3-1 lead against GS. Definitely wasn't all Russ fault.
- Aug 20, 2001
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It’s tough for him because being labeled as “Best In The World” generally comes with winning titles. Lebby is the last player I can think of that was given that crown before winning a strap is him. This conversation gets messy though because who was best in the world post 2004 is a messy debate on here
- Dec 27, 2012
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Tim Duncan
- Sep 23, 2012
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MVP
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- Feb 28, 2008
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Nah
- Jan 2, 2010
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It’s tough for him because being labeled as “Best In The World” generally comes with winning titles. Lebby is the last player I can think of that was given that crown before winning a strap is him. This conversation gets messy though because who was best in the world post 2004 is a messy debate on here
Folks like @addict4sneakers don't care about titles so there's that.
And yeah that time period between 2002-10 gets funny cuz people try to move the goal post.
- Mar 24, 2001
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James Harden. Best player in the world. Best offensive player ever. Elite post defender. Elite floater. Best there ever will be.
- Apr 5, 2017
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That’s the thing....I think the GSW fans do appreciate him but the media and other fan bases have created this narrative that he’s not appreciated. He went there to win titles and is 2/2 with two Finals MVPs. Literally what else could he or their fans ask for
“Everything we do is high-profile,” Durant said. “And I don’t believe anything was ever wrong with our locker room. No offense to you two guys, but every time your colleagues walk in here, they bring that toxic energy in here and they start writing about that energy because it’s how they feel. “But when you’re actually in this locker room, there’s nothing going on in here. We just be chilling. There’s a lot of speculation about me, about my attitude, about where I’m playing next season that a lot of these dudes in here (points around at random media members) are trying to distract us with and then want to blame it on me because it’s easy to blame it on me. I understand that. We understand that. So for us, we just made it about basketball.”
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- Feb 28, 2008
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As much as I despise Harden, if somehow he beats GS and wins the chip, the mantle should go to him. Same for Giannis and I guess to a lesser extent Kawhi. They're the 3 battling with KD.
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- Mar 24, 2001
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Well damn if Harden does all that of course you gotta give him his credit.
To get that label it has to be based on more than just good looking regular season stats.
MVP
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He has the consistent regular season play and the MVP, top 2 finishes (etc). If he finally slays the dragon gotta give it to him. It's going to require him playing at regular season Harden level though.
- Aug 20, 2001
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Folks like @addict4sneakers don't care about titles so there's that.
And yeah that time period between 2002-10 gets funny cuz people try to move the goal post.
Point in case
Bean is my personal favorite player but I am subjective in critiquing his and his contemporaries’ game. As such, I will say he wasn’t the best player in the world over that entire period but in the same breath to say he wasn’t the best player in the world for at least a season or two during that time period is a bit absurd.Best player on a Western Conference team that went to three consecutive finals, he was awarded two finals MVPs, league MVP, three first team all-NBA appearances, three first team all defense appearances, won a scoring title and y’all want to act like it’s ludicrous to make an argument for him as the best player during that stretch? Let that hatred out ya heart fellas.
- Mar 24, 2001
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This isn't really even a knock on harden but there's no reason to think he'll win a championship this year. The last scoring champ to win a title I think was Shaq in 2000. And he had Kobe to help carry him. When you have a redline season where you have to push it to the limit you're usually lucky to make it out the 2nd round, if that
- Aug 20, 2001
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This is why I want him to stay because it will be a big **** you to the media
I get they won a championship before him and he left a team that was up 3-1 on the team he joined but can you really blame him?I’m not saying it wouldn’t have happened otherwise but we are in the Big 3+ Era and KD is just living in it. One could debate the Spurs being a Big 3 in 2014 or constituting Draymond as being eligible to be a member of a Big 3 but since The Heatles, all winning teams save for the Mavericks have had 3 HOFers. All players who realize they got Top 50 potential are ganging up to try to get that hardware because they know everyone but @addict4sneakers is gonna judge them on it. They’re not tryna be the next Chuck or Karl Malone
- Jan 2, 2010
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Point in case
Best player on a Western Conference team that went to three consecutive finals, he two finals MVPs, league MVP, three first team all-NBA appearances, three first team all defense appearances, won a scoring title and y’all want to act like it’s lusicrous to make an argument for him as the best player during that stretch? Let that hatred out ya heart fellas.
People don't know what argument to stick to.
These same people will say "Well Kobe wasn't winning rings between 05-08 so he can't be the best" (even though he already had 3 rings). And the fact that he dominated against the Duncan lead Spurs in the WCF in 08.
dacomeup
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- Jan 20, 2006
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KD so full of ****.
He willingly plays into this. Him and Dray had a huge spat on national TV. The little jabs between him and Kerr. Current teammates telling reporters he's gone. Willing participant in fueling it all.
dacomeup
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- Jan 20, 2006
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A title doesn't make James Harden the individual any better or worse to me.It’s tough for him because being labeled as “Best In The World” generally comes with winning titles. Lebby is the last player I can think of that was given that crown before winning a strap is him. This conversation gets messy though because who was best in the world post 2004 is a messy debate on here
