CP1708 wrote:
Oh, so Vince Carter was just gonna walk in the gym in Indiana in game 4 in OT without Shaq and just put down 4 shots straight to ice the game, with a sore ankle........
Cuz, ya know, Vince is known for that.
Have any of you even seen that gif of him, as a grown @#$ man, about to shoot free throws, lookin like a scared child at supper when mommy just called daddy a cheater? Someone drop that in here for me, then let's talk switchin Kobe out for Vince like it's nothing.
Ray Allen and Allan Houston I would have LOVED to have seen play off Shaq. I think it would have been awesome with their shooting. But ball handling, running the point sometimes, defense? We don't need those anymore? And when Shaq was off the court, they could create for other players on their own?
One of these guys could have guarded AI for stretches? Not full time of course, not sayin that, but any single minutes they would have spent on AI would have resulted in either a layup, or a foul on Shaq. So, uh, yeah they were great shooters to put around Shaq, sure.
Iverson, come on. COME ON. In the triangle, next to Derek Fisher, and Shaq needs touches. Really?
TMac, yes, I can agree that he would have won titles with Shaq. I have no problem there, just as KG could have won in San Antonio in his prime.
You guys are trying to sell me that replacing one of the 10 best players of all time is/woulda been, easy. Like it's nothing. Just any other SG, sure. You really just did that. Yeesh.
At worst, the KG/Duncan part is another guy that is top 25ish all time, you all came at me with dudes in the 70 or 80 range, and Ray Allen a top 60 player.
Iverson at 80?
Nah I aint down with that.....
If you got Glen Rice and Ray Allen one becomes redundant does he not?
From a development standpoint Tmac didnt get to Kobe until maybe 2001-2002, and more than likely your looking at 2002- 2003
If its Kobe and Duncan it rivals Russell and Havlack. You cannot make a compounding arguement for Tmac, Vince, RayAllen, Allan Houston Spree, Pierce or anyother SG of that era
At Worse its KG at 23 Tim at 7-8 and Webber at right below Malone and Barkley and maybe Kevin Mchale all within the top 60.
Ska your blinded by your Kobe hate right now.
Jason Kidd and Kobe with Richard Jefferson and Kenyon Martin are better than that last 3peat team
Kobe and Tmac are playing the Lakers with Vince in 2001, and he cant guard either guy.
All of those guys sans maybe Paul Pierce are getting torched by every other SG you can think of from that era.
Iverson aint change for no body, Phil Jackson wouldnt broach the subject and might not come to LA.
Your also overrating Phil at this point.
Your best Kobe Hating arguement would be for a
Kidd Marion Rice Shaq team. and then they keep Eddie Jones.
So its Kidd ,Jones, Marion, random PF, Shaq
With Kobe in Phoenix.
And In Milwaukee Ray was the 3rd late game option
GTFOHWTBS SKA
And CP is right about MAC, but he wasnt there as far as development in 2000 or even 2002, maybe thats Butch Carter not playing Mac I dont know.