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Minaya's not getting fired. Can't you guys see he's not allowed to do anything? The Wilpons need to sell this team if they're having moneywoes. Madoff screwed us over big time.
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Neh.
Don't buy it.
They do have a $170m payroll.
Of course Minaya can't do much now. What does he want? A 200m payroll?
Lots of players are injured so I can't really fault Minaya for that but he can't come up with deals at all.
Francouer for Church. Thanks Minaya.
This is the *@$!$%# NL. Teams win with 100m payrolls.
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I hate this logic. Why can't we blame him for giving an extension to old man Delgado?
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In this case you're right.
As well as signing Oliver Perez.
I dislike Minaya but I was trying to cut him some slack.
I still want him gone though along with his butt buddy Manuel.
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Signing Perez had to be done.
I don't see the big deal picking up Delgaldo's option since he came off a good year and the Wilpons didn't want to spend the money for Tex. Blamehas to go on the Wilpons for not spending enough money.
Omar gets a lot of blame though for not bringing in Orlando Hudson and giving Castillo his extension.
I just can't blame Omar on anything besides the crappy farm system and holding onto prospects to long and getting nothing in return for them. He's goneout and signed big players (K-Rod, Pedro, Beltran) He's kept Wright and Reyes here with good extensions. He's done a decent job in trades. I still likegetting Putz. His signings of role players has been great, Moises Alou, Alex Cora, Jose Valentine, Omir Santos, Sheffield, Jeremy Reed, Angel Pagan, Tatis.
The one major thing Omar has to do is overhaul that farm system and get a better scouting department in there.
I don't see the big deal picking up Delgaldo's option since he came off a good year and the Wilpons didn't want to spend the money for Tex. Blamehas to go on the Wilpons for not spending enough money.
Omar gets a lot of blame though for not bringing in Orlando Hudson and giving Castillo his extension.
I just can't blame Omar on anything besides the crappy farm system and holding onto prospects to long and getting nothing in return for them. He's goneout and signed big players (K-Rod, Pedro, Beltran) He's kept Wright and Reyes here with good extensions. He's done a decent job in trades. I still likegetting Putz. His signings of role players has been great, Moises Alou, Alex Cora, Jose Valentine, Omir Santos, Sheffield, Jeremy Reed, Angel Pagan, Tatis.
The one major thing Omar has to do is overhaul that farm system and get a better scouting department in there.
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Umm....anyone with a sane brain would've picked up Gados option with the year he just had.
Mets have a budget whether you like it or not.
If Omar wants to stay, he needs to establish a DEEPER farm system and not just sign free agents all the time.
Improve the scouting as well.
Mets have a budget whether you like it or not.
If Omar wants to stay, he needs to establish a DEEPER farm system and not just sign free agents all the time.
Improve the scouting as well.
Francouer for Church. Thanks Minaya.
That trade confirmed that he won't do anything this season, he traded a 30 year old outfielder that has no future here for a 25 year old with a glove justas good (if not better), and with some potential at least.
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I didn't want to. I even remember posting it here in the Mets thread when he was doing awesome last season.
I knew his great season last year was going to cost us. Should've just let him go.
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They weren't bringing anybody else in to play first though.
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They were thinking about moving Murphy to first.
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This series against the braves seems to be the tale of the rest of the season... i really have lost hope in this team, regardless of who comes back...
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I'm with you on that one. I just had a feeling Delgado was gonna be a bust this year.
It's funny cuz dude used to be a player I liked back with Toronto.
But I wouldn't have picked up his option either.
I mean, I see why the Mets did it. But I really didn't want him back. Sad thing is, I wouldn't be surprised if he is back next year.
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As far as Omar, he's done more good than bad. Though I really think most of his "good" moves were the result of luck instead of his ownGM'ing skills. (Got Beltran even though Carlos was trying to go to the Yankees for less money... Got Johan at the last minute only b/c the Yanks and Sawxbacked out... K-Rod signed a "bargain" deal due to the recession + he had no other serious bidders).
I think the Madoff scandal plus the poor economy really made the Wilpons (who were already cheap) more gunshy than ever. That's why I said before that theyshould just let Omar go somewhere where his hands aren't tied. They can bring in any other puppet to run the show for them.
Because constantly skipping out on big name free agents (A-Rod twice, Manny, Tex, etc) is annoying.
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Don't begin to think like Yankee fans ala "let's just sign this dude and this dude and this dude.....who cares if we have a $200m payroll".Their answer to anything is to just sign players to monster contracts.
The Mets have a $170m payroll. That is more than adequate for the NL.
Perez had to b signed? Why?
The guy had one fluke season and since then he's been an abomination. Every year it's the same talk of "potential".
I don't agree that his signing of role players has been great. n fact I think it's been pretty bad considering that for similar amounts of money hecould've had actual utility players instead of the one dimensional sub standard players that he signed.
Minaya has been just plain bad.
Any GM can sign players to monster contracts. That's the easy part.
Acquiring undervalued players that fit the team is what a good GM does.
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I just cant root for this team until Castillo is gone. It actually pains me to watch him play baseball.
And because of him, i've lost a lot of confidence in Omar.
And because of him, i've lost a lot of confidence in Omar.
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Mets do not have a 170M payroll.
Omar has always brought in good role players.... Valentine, Cora, Tatis (last year), etc.
I'm not going to make Omar out to be some sort of genius, but since he's been here the team has had 4 straight winning seasons. Mets prior to 04'were the most frustrating teams I've seen.
You want to get on him for trading Lindstrom? That guy is nothing more than an erratic hard thrower today. Heath Bell? He had no role on this team and wasgiven every chance (guy was a 30 yr old minor leaguer). Signing Pedro, Beltran and Wagner were all extremely important moves to add to the young core of guys.K-Rod was an extremely good signing.....Ollie was signed because they didn't want to give 4 years to Lowe, and I still do not blame them. Delgado wastraded for and paying an 8M dollar difference this year (as opposed to a 4M buyout) was the logical thing to do coming off a 30+ HR and 100+ RBI season.Castillo's 4 year contract made no sense but he has been the least of the Mets problems this year, he has actually had a good year (and with O-Dog being aFA this off-season, I'm sure the Wilpons will eat the rest of his contract if they have to). Redding was for depth but he has sucked, its a 1 year anyways.
Its easy to nitpick right now but he has done more good than bad.....my only gripe is that they need better scouting and need to get this team younger (whichthey are finally trying to do now). The Mets have solid prospects in Neise, Reese Havens, Meija, Wilmer Floes (at age 18 is putting up better numbers thanFernando did in AA), Fernando Martinez.....they rank middle of the pack as a team so its not ELITE but not as bad as some of you guys make it out to be.
Wilpons are not cheap but they are not good/smart baseball people IMO.
Omar has always brought in good role players.... Valentine, Cora, Tatis (last year), etc.
I'm not going to make Omar out to be some sort of genius, but since he's been here the team has had 4 straight winning seasons. Mets prior to 04'were the most frustrating teams I've seen.
You want to get on him for trading Lindstrom? That guy is nothing more than an erratic hard thrower today. Heath Bell? He had no role on this team and wasgiven every chance (guy was a 30 yr old minor leaguer). Signing Pedro, Beltran and Wagner were all extremely important moves to add to the young core of guys.K-Rod was an extremely good signing.....Ollie was signed because they didn't want to give 4 years to Lowe, and I still do not blame them. Delgado wastraded for and paying an 8M dollar difference this year (as opposed to a 4M buyout) was the logical thing to do coming off a 30+ HR and 100+ RBI season.Castillo's 4 year contract made no sense but he has been the least of the Mets problems this year, he has actually had a good year (and with O-Dog being aFA this off-season, I'm sure the Wilpons will eat the rest of his contract if they have to). Redding was for depth but he has sucked, its a 1 year anyways.
Its easy to nitpick right now but he has done more good than bad.....my only gripe is that they need better scouting and need to get this team younger (whichthey are finally trying to do now). The Mets have solid prospects in Neise, Reese Havens, Meija, Wilmer Floes (at age 18 is putting up better numbers thanFernando did in AA), Fernando Martinez.....they rank middle of the pack as a team so its not ELITE but not as bad as some of you guys make it out to be.
Wilpons are not cheap but they are not good/smart baseball people IMO.
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Besides that dropped pop-up, I'm not going to kill the guy because that %+%% happens to everyone (regardless of when it occurred).
The guy is hitting .280 with an OBP of .366, hitting over .300 with RISP and has actually made a TON of good defensive plays this year (saved a fewgames)....but some of you guys will never like him regardless of what he does.
He is the LEAST of this teams problems right now.
The guy is hitting .280 with an OBP of .366, hitting over .300 with RISP and has actually made a TON of good defensive plays this year (saved a fewgames)....but some of you guys will never like him regardless of what he does.
He is the LEAST of this teams problems right now.
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He has the emptiest OBP in the majors. None of his stats actually help the team. And he is not hitting over .300 with RISP.
He has no range...his UZR is last in the majors...and we haven't won anything with him on the field. He is the worst 2nd baseman in the league.
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I didn't know you can win anything with one player on the field. How do his stats not help the team, he is a table setter and has done his job this year.
The guy won 3 straight gold gloves at 2nd, of course his range isn't the same because of injuries but he's held his own this season. He is hitting over.300 with RISP (its a small sample but he is, this was a few weeks ago though IDK where its at now).
I know you don't like him, so there is no point in arguing over Castillo of all people. The worst? There are farrrrr worse in baseball.
The guy won 3 straight gold gloves at 2nd, of course his range isn't the same because of injuries but he's held his own this season. He is hitting over.300 with RISP (its a small sample but he is, this was a few weeks ago though IDK where its at now).
I know you don't like him, so there is no point in arguing over Castillo of all people. The worst? There are farrrrr worse in baseball.
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My bad. Official number is 150m. That's the official number though.
I try to tack on incentives and all.
The payroll is huge.
No lame excuses necessary.
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Mez.
Admit it. You just like the Dominican mafia running the mets.
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wawaweewa wrote:
The Mets have a $170m payroll. That is more than adequate for the NL.
Completely agree (even though it's less than 170).
wawaweewa wrote:
Any GM can sign players to monster contracts. That's the easy part.
Acquiring undervalued players that fit the team is what a good GM does.
Yep.
But I think Omar has done well in getting undervalued players. Jose Valentin, Lo Duca, Church, Endy, Nady, Ollie, Maine, Castro, Duaner Sanchez (before hewrecked his arm in that accident).
I'm not saying he is the greatest GM in the world. But he is far from the worst.
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I just cant root for this team until Castillo is gone. It actually pains me to watch him play baseball.
And because of him, i've lost a lot of confidence in Omar.
I don't think Castillo is THAT bad. He was injured last year and now we're seeing what a relatively healthy Luis is capable of. His fielding has beengreat (despite The Drop), his hitting has been solid (he's still the best bunter on the team), and he handled the press and the fans very well in theaftermath of The Drop (didn't go into a funk).
Mez 0ne wrote:
The Mets have solid prospects in Neise, Reese Havens, Meija, Wilmer Floes (at age 18 is putting up better numbers than Fernando did in AA), Fernando Martinez.....they rank middle of the pack as a team so its not ELITE but not as bad as some of you guys make it out to be.
Our prospects suck. Period.
The ones who got a chance (Neise, Kunz, & Fernando for instance) haven't shown too much.
And the team has had so many holes this year... but yet we can't even find a guy in the minors to come up and fill any of them.
I like Nick and Murph... And I think Fernando will eventually be good too.
But that's about it.
holdupstop23 wrote:
Glove, because he has the range of a Snorlax and cant catch pop up's.
Ever since Mez used to post that pic last year, I can't help but laugh when I see that name.
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Castillo is a waste... He's actually waaay overdue for an injury now. In the next 10 games, he will pull his hamstring or something, I'll put money onit.
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I want us to trade Martinez in the off season. THis is 2 years now that he's been injured with a pretty major injury. I really don't want to see asecond coming of Jay Payton. Trade him while he has some value, and if he turns out to be great, well then fine. And by trading him I don't mean for JeffFrancouer or some other jerk off. I mean packaging him in a deal for an all star.
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You guys just want to give up on young players, guys who are not major league ready, for a quick fix.
You can't have it both ways if you're not going to have patience, developing a farm system takes time and lots of patience (trial and error).
If I can recall Reyes had some SEVERE injuries the first few years in the majors, they even made him run differently.......he's been fine ever since. Justbecause someone has some setbacks doesn't mean they will pan out that way their entire career. Fernando is still basically in a AA mentality right now.
SHUGES, you couldn't be any more wrong, you're going to say some of those guys had chances when hey had no business in the Majors yet? Or had a fewgames in during September call ups thrown into the fire when there was NO PEN? C'mon man.
You can't have it both ways if you're not going to have patience, developing a farm system takes time and lots of patience (trial and error).
If I can recall Reyes had some SEVERE injuries the first few years in the majors, they even made him run differently.......he's been fine ever since. Justbecause someone has some setbacks doesn't mean they will pan out that way their entire career. Fernando is still basically in a AA mentality right now.
SHUGES, you couldn't be any more wrong, you're going to say some of those guys had chances when hey had no business in the Majors yet? Or had a fewgames in during September call ups thrown into the fire when there was NO PEN? C'mon man.
