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Soto crushed that
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New York Yankees Official Thread - RIP Former Manager Petey Rose
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Judge with the slam 
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I think i needed that more than Judge. I just screamed so loud my cat jump off my window sill 
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Going to be long winded, but I'm by myself this weekend, and damnit, I'm gonna waste my time.
Because I'm so fascinated by his career, and if it ends in Cooperstown, I wanted to look at Giancarlo's career / injuries. Did it with Griffey a bunch because he was my favorite as a kid.
Anyway, if you take his MVP year in 2017 and first year with the Yankees in 2018, age 27 & 28. He played 98% of the games and then expand in both directions.
Working backwards.
2010 & 11, healthy. Played in 250 of 266 games. Essentially 1 game off every 2 and a half weeks.
2012 First injury misses 30 games after playing 78 of 79 to start the year. Knee soreness leading to minor surgery (123 games total)
2013 36 games due to a hamstring strain. Then finished out playing 95 of the 99 final games. (116 games total)
2014 Gets hit in the face and is out for the year after playing 145 of 145.
2015 Plays 74 of 75 games, and swung so hard broke the hamate bone in his wrist. He was on pace for 59 Home runs. Bryce had a monster year that season, but would have been hard to vote against 59 Home Runs for MVP.
2016 seemed to struggle a bit throughout the year. Ended with a 120 OPS+ in 119 games. Played 43 of 45 games, missed 7 games, then played 59 of 63 before a hamstring strain that took him out for a month.
Then you go to the Yankees
2018 - Healthy.
2019 - was all ****** up. 18 games in total.
2020 he loses 103 games regardless due to COVID, but had injuries missing 36 of 59 and then was an absolute tank in the 2020 post season. He had a 1.426 OPS. 6 Home Runs, 13 RBIs in 7 games in the playoffs.
2021- Plays 33 of 37 games, misses 14 of 15 due to a quadricep strain, then plays 103 of the last 108 games.
2022-24, I'll account as expected injuries. Probably 20-30 games too many per season based on normal wear and tear, but I won't make any predictions on these years. But his at bats per home run was 3rd, T-14th, 9th across MLB in those respective years, just for perspective.
Just super super super bad luck of being 6'7" mountain.
If you could change 4 things.
1. He doesn't get hit in the face in 2014. He would have played 160 games, had 40 Home Runs and still down in the record books 2nd behind Kershaw in MVP still. Kersh was out of the world that year.
2. Doesn't have the bad luck of breaking his wrist in 2015 doing something he's done for 6800 plate appearances, and would have gotten the MVP for the likely 50+ Home Run, 130+ RBI year.
3. Doesn't have a global pandemic where the season was cut short 103 games. He did have a significant injury in 2020, but he started out hot and then was unreal in those playoffs. Can keep the injury on the record, and think he misses a month more if it were a full season.
4. Doesn't have his 2019 season.
Those 4 things led to 351 games missed, and even if he played in 300 of those games, you're looking at 500 Home Runs. Hell even if you change 2014, 15 and no Global Pandemic and leave 2019, he may have been at 500 at the end of this season.
Seen many a power hitters in my life, and even studying the greats, just on pure power, maybe Judge is the only guy who can hit the ball harder than him.
IN MY OPINION, To make the Hall of Fame:
1. He needs about 90 Home runs minimum. Yankees will carry his contract likely 3 seasons, then use the Marlins $10mil to buy him out in 2028. Don't see them eating $19mil in 2027 unless they tear it all down.
2. Quality playoff performances. If Yankees win in any of these 3 years, and he had a hand, even better.
I leave you with the most impressive thing I've seen in person on a baseball field.
For more fun. My brother and I circled
Because I'm so fascinated by his career, and if it ends in Cooperstown, I wanted to look at Giancarlo's career / injuries. Did it with Griffey a bunch because he was my favorite as a kid.
Anyway, if you take his MVP year in 2017 and first year with the Yankees in 2018, age 27 & 28. He played 98% of the games and then expand in both directions.
Working backwards.
2010 & 11, healthy. Played in 250 of 266 games. Essentially 1 game off every 2 and a half weeks.
2012 First injury misses 30 games after playing 78 of 79 to start the year. Knee soreness leading to minor surgery (123 games total)
2013 36 games due to a hamstring strain. Then finished out playing 95 of the 99 final games. (116 games total)
2014 Gets hit in the face and is out for the year after playing 145 of 145.
2015 Plays 74 of 75 games, and swung so hard broke the hamate bone in his wrist. He was on pace for 59 Home runs. Bryce had a monster year that season, but would have been hard to vote against 59 Home Runs for MVP.
2016 seemed to struggle a bit throughout the year. Ended with a 120 OPS+ in 119 games. Played 43 of 45 games, missed 7 games, then played 59 of 63 before a hamstring strain that took him out for a month.
Then you go to the Yankees
2018 - Healthy.
2019 - was all ****** up. 18 games in total.
2020 he loses 103 games regardless due to COVID, but had injuries missing 36 of 59 and then was an absolute tank in the 2020 post season. He had a 1.426 OPS. 6 Home Runs, 13 RBIs in 7 games in the playoffs.
2021- Plays 33 of 37 games, misses 14 of 15 due to a quadricep strain, then plays 103 of the last 108 games.
2022-24, I'll account as expected injuries. Probably 20-30 games too many per season based on normal wear and tear, but I won't make any predictions on these years. But his at bats per home run was 3rd, T-14th, 9th across MLB in those respective years, just for perspective.
Just super super super bad luck of being 6'7" mountain.
If you could change 4 things.
1. He doesn't get hit in the face in 2014. He would have played 160 games, had 40 Home Runs and still down in the record books 2nd behind Kershaw in MVP still. Kersh was out of the world that year.
2. Doesn't have the bad luck of breaking his wrist in 2015 doing something he's done for 6800 plate appearances, and would have gotten the MVP for the likely 50+ Home Run, 130+ RBI year.
3. Doesn't have a global pandemic where the season was cut short 103 games. He did have a significant injury in 2020, but he started out hot and then was unreal in those playoffs. Can keep the injury on the record, and think he misses a month more if it were a full season.
4. Doesn't have his 2019 season.
Those 4 things led to 351 games missed, and even if he played in 300 of those games, you're looking at 500 Home Runs. Hell even if you change 2014, 15 and no Global Pandemic and leave 2019, he may have been at 500 at the end of this season.
Seen many a power hitters in my life, and even studying the greats, just on pure power, maybe Judge is the only guy who can hit the ball harder than him.
IN MY OPINION, To make the Hall of Fame:
1. He needs about 90 Home runs minimum. Yankees will carry his contract likely 3 seasons, then use the Marlins $10mil to buy him out in 2028. Don't see them eating $19mil in 2027 unless they tear it all down.
2. Quality playoff performances. If Yankees win in any of these 3 years, and he had a hand, even better.
I leave you with the most impressive thing I've seen in person on a baseball field.
For more fun. My brother and I circled
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yeah Stanton creamed that. i remember jumping outta my chair when he hit that. i could only imagine if that were hit in Yankee Stadium how it would've sounded.
xtra props on u being there for the moment. i've never been at a game where some history happened. i've seen Bernie hit a grand slam, that's about it ....
xtra props on u being there for the moment. i've never been at a game where some history happened. i've seen Bernie hit a grand slam, that's about it ....
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if y'all consider 48 that old then you're definitely not gonna handle middle age well 
nah but just thinkin i'm a year and a half from 50 always makes me get serious quick
nah but just thinkin i'm a year and a half from 50 always makes me get serious quick
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if y'all consider 48 that old then you're definitely not gonna handle middle age well
nah but just thinkin i'm a year and a half from 50 always makes me get serious quick
We’ve been on here for a long time my friend - it’s only right we do a game together before your 50th with the other regulars even those from the past
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Hahahaha
Apologies to any regulars I missed
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if y'all consider 48 that old then you're definitely not gonna handle middle age well
nah but just thinkin i'm a year and a half from 50 always makes me get serious quick
48 leap years!
Man is 192 years old! 192 years old!
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i'm in fa sure
i'm like 6 train stops from the stadium , travel is nothing for me ...
i'm like 6 train stops from the stadium , travel is nothing for me ...
dblplay1212
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Going to be long winded, but I'm by myself this weekend, and damnit, I'm gonna waste my time.
Because I'm so fascinated by his career, and if it ends in Cooperstown, I wanted to look at Giancarlo's career / injuries. Did it with Griffey a bunch because he was my favorite as a kid.
Anyway, if you take his MVP year in 2017 and first year with the Yankees in 2018, age 27 & 28. He played 98% of the games and then expand in both directions.
Working backwards.
2010 & 11, healthy. Played in 250 of 266 games. Essentially 1 game off every 2 and a half weeks.
2012 First injury misses 30 games after playing 78 of 79 to start the year. Knee soreness leading to minor surgery (123 games total)
2013 36 games due to a hamstring strain. Then finished out playing 95 of the 99 final games. (116 games total)
2014 Gets hit in the face and is out for the year after playing 145 of 145.
2015 Plays 74 of 75 games, and swung so hard broke the hamate bone in his wrist. He was on pace for 59 Home runs. Bryce had a monster year that season, but would have been hard to vote against 59 Home Runs for MVP.
2016 seemed to struggle a bit throughout the year. Ended with a 120 OPS+ in 119 games. Played 43 of 45 games, missed 7 games, then played 59 of 63 before a hamstring strain that took him out for a month.
Then you go to the Yankees
2018 - Healthy.
2019 - was all ****** up. 18 games in total.
2020 he loses 103 games regardless due to COVID, but had injuries missing 36 of 59 and then was an absolute tank in the 2020 post season. He had a 1.426 OPS. 6 Home Runs, 13 RBIs in 7 games in the playoffs.
2021- Plays 33 of 37 games, misses 14 of 15 due to a quadricep strain, then plays 103 of the last 108 games.
2022-24, I'll account as expected injuries. Probably 20-30 games too many per season based on normal wear and tear, but I won't make any predictions on these years. But his at bats per home run was 3rd, T-14th, 9th across MLB in those respective years, just for perspective.
Just super super super bad luck of being 6'7" mountain.
If you could change 4 things.
1. He doesn't get hit in the face in 2014. He would have played 160 games, had 40 Home Runs and still down in the record books 2nd behind Kershaw in MVP still. Kersh was out of the world that year.
2. Doesn't have the bad luck of breaking his wrist in 2015 doing something he's done for 6800 plate appearances, and would have gotten the MVP for the likely 50+ Home Run, 130+ RBI year.
3. Doesn't have a global pandemic where the season was cut short 103 games. He did have a significant injury in 2020, but he started out hot and then was unreal in those playoffs. Can keep the injury on the record, and think he misses a month more if it were a full season.
4. Doesn't have his 2019 season.
Those 4 things led to 351 games missed, and even if he played in 300 of those games, you're looking at 500 Home Runs. Hell even if you change 2014, 15 and no Global Pandemic and leave 2019, he may have been at 500 at the end of this season.
Seen many a power hitters in my life, and even studying the greats, just on pure power, maybe Judge is the only guy who can hit the ball harder than him.
IN MY OPINION, To make the Hall of Fame:
1. He needs about 90 Home runs minimum. Yankees will carry his contract likely 3 seasons, then use the Marlins $10mil to buy him out in 2028. Don't see them eating $19mil in 2027 unless they tear it all down.
2. Quality playoff performances. If Yankees win in any of these 3 years, and he had a hand, even better.
I leave you with the most impressive thing I've seen in person on a baseball field.
For more fun. My brother and I circled
Not sure how I missed this. Enjoyed the read.
dblplay1212
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RudeWe’ve been on here for a long time my friend - it’s only right we do a game together before your 50th with the other regulars even those from the past
P proshares
Apologies to any regulars I missed
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It’s so crazy.
I think with how much he did play before each injury his body would just wear down.
Like he’d play in 97% of games. Then have a huge injury. 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016. Wasn’t like he was out a week. Then another week. Then another week. Then a huge injury. Even 2019 wasn’t the opportunity to even come back and get a stretch. Gotta be something to something out of his control.
And he seems like a super good dude too.
Giancarlo for the Hall!
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Need him to have a big playoff moment.
Because the hot seat next year will be real uncomfortable.
Because the hot seat next year will be real uncomfortable.
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Is YES using the Mariners cameras or something? Picture tonight is fantastic. Super crisp.
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And Gleyber has been much better lately. 111 wRC+ while hitting leadoff. Idk how much of that is him making changes or getting better pitches in front of Soto and Judge but it's worked well.
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.322/.404/.466 over the last 29 games batting leadoff.
4 HRs 14 RBIs. 17 BBs. 23 Ks
FOUR! MORE! YEARS!
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It's a really good lineup if you ignore DJ, Rizzo, Dugo & Volpe/
Got your leadoff guy in Torres. Your OBP guy in Soto at the 2. Your best all around hitter at the 3 in Judge. Your best power bat at the Clean up spot in Stanton.
If only Rizzo was half way good, having him at 5. Then Jazz, Wells, Martian, Volpe is
They need a 1B in the worst way in the offseason. Once you have that, minefield from 1-7.
Got your leadoff guy in Torres. Your OBP guy in Soto at the 2. Your best all around hitter at the 3 in Judge. Your best power bat at the Clean up spot in Stanton.
If only Rizzo was half way good, having him at 5. Then Jazz, Wells, Martian, Volpe is
They need a 1B in the worst way in the offseason. Once you have that, minefield from 1-7.
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Yankees wRC+ by position and how many GS
C - 5th (105) ( Wells 89 GS / Trevino 58 / Navaro 4)
1B - 30th (71) (Rizzo 83 / Ben Rice 40 / DJ 16 / Cabrera 3 / Rice 4 )
2B - 8th (101) (Gleyber 142 / Cabrera 7 / Jones 2)
3B - 17th (93) (Cabrera 62 / Jazz 36 / DJ 34 / Berti 15 / Peraza 4) Jazz's 140wRC+ would be 2nd
SS - 24th (89) (Volpe 148 / Cabrera 3)
LF - 25th (85) (Dugo 134 / Judge, Soto, Martian, Jones 17)
CF - 1st (180) (Judge 98 / Grisham 49 / Dominguez 3 / Jazz 1) The difference between 1st & 2nd is bigger as 2nd and 28th
RF - 1st (185) (Soto 137 / Judge 6 / Dugo 6 / Jones 1 / Cabrera 1)
DH - 6th (137) (Stanton 100 / Judge 40 / Jones 5 / Soto 4 / Davis 2) Stanton bringing down the average he'd rank 13th alone, but team is 4th in DH wRC+ since Stanton came back on July 29th
Just a look, you have 6 positions set offensively
C in Wells & Trevino
2B in Torres
3B in Jazz (provides 3 positions of versatility at 2B, 3B, CF for resting purpose)
Combination of 2 of LF, CF, RF in Soto and Judge
DH in Stanton
Oswaldo has a 90 wRC+ pretty good for a utility guy who can play almost anywhere on the field off the bench.
If Volpe is only a defensive guy, not too bad in the 9 hole.
Martian should be good, doesn't look out of his depth at all.
No solutions for 1B though unless Soto wants to go to 1B
C - 5th (105) ( Wells 89 GS / Trevino 58 / Navaro 4)
1B - 30th (71) (Rizzo 83 / Ben Rice 40 / DJ 16 / Cabrera 3 / Rice 4 )
2B - 8th (101) (Gleyber 142 / Cabrera 7 / Jones 2)
3B - 17th (93) (Cabrera 62 / Jazz 36 / DJ 34 / Berti 15 / Peraza 4) Jazz's 140wRC+ would be 2nd
SS - 24th (89) (Volpe 148 / Cabrera 3)
LF - 25th (85) (Dugo 134 / Judge, Soto, Martian, Jones 17)
CF - 1st (180) (Judge 98 / Grisham 49 / Dominguez 3 / Jazz 1) The difference between 1st & 2nd is bigger as 2nd and 28th
RF - 1st (185) (Soto 137 / Judge 6 / Dugo 6 / Jones 1 / Cabrera 1)
DH - 6th (137) (Stanton 100 / Judge 40 / Jones 5 / Soto 4 / Davis 2) Stanton bringing down the average he'd rank 13th alone, but team is 4th in DH wRC+ since Stanton came back on July 29th
Just a look, you have 6 positions set offensively
C in Wells & Trevino
2B in Torres
3B in Jazz (provides 3 positions of versatility at 2B, 3B, CF for resting purpose)
Combination of 2 of LF, CF, RF in Soto and Judge
DH in Stanton
Oswaldo has a 90 wRC+ pretty good for a utility guy who can play almost anywhere on the field off the bench.
If Volpe is only a defensive guy, not too bad in the 9 hole.
Martian should be good, doesn't look out of his depth at all.
No solutions for 1B though unless Soto wants to go to 1B
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Following up - let me know if you want to grab a beer, last night was insane - traffic and getting in to the park took forever. Feel free to DM me - first round on me!
I’ll be in section 127 row 12 right behind the plate again tonight!
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1 is a strike but 4 and 6 are balls?
