Next Gen Xbox Reveal Confirmed for May 21

[pip777]

Just going to wait this out until they price drop or do another version like they always do
But I swore I read somewhere Sony will be doing the same thing to combat the used game market
But Microsoft is taking it to the extreme
Well e3 is right around the corner, I hope all questions are truly anwsered

As of right now, Sony is leaving the DRM implementation up to publishers, e.g. EA, Activison, Ubisoft, etc. Other than that, at the moment, there wont be any authentications like MS's 24 hour or 1 hour check-ins

 

[xtapolapacetl]

Man, **** these next generation consoles.. Feels like you're not buying the consoles/games, only renting them. Microsoft ****** up badly, and Sony could've ended it by simply not having a game used fee, but of course they're not coming with any definitive statements and their fanboys step up to their defense with all kinds of "At least they're not..." statements.

 

[dabottom305]

By tomorrow night, questions will be answered. Im a Sony guy and I'm not even sure i'll rush to get the next system since they haven't said much.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

Man, **** these next generation consoles.. Feels like you're not buying the consoles/games, only renting them. Microsoft ****** up badly, and Sony could've ended it by simply not having a game used fee, but of course they're not coming with any definitive statements and their fanboys step up to their defense with all kinds of "At least they're not..." statements.

Word up . Its a joint effort and us consumers take the biggest L in the end

 

[D Double]

Word up . Its a joint effort and us consumers take the biggest L in the end

How can you tell it's a joint effort. Not saying it isn't but EA dropping online passes then being friends with MS and offering them a timed exclusive tells me it probably isn't a joint effort.

We'll get answers tomorrow.

 

[duba169]

If publishers tell sony they need to do this or no COD or madden, I guess they feel like they have no choice.

 

[kobe4threebang]

dont have internet? dont buy it. itll be useless. you can only play offline for 24 hours. after that you cant play any games

you can play used games. if one of your friends lets you borrow it.

i never said i didnt have internet im just asking the question

 

[100proof]

About those supposed M$ employees paid to post about the X1 on reddit...

Gaming community,

As you are no doubt aware, allegations have been made that Microsoft and/or PR firms associated with it are participating in efforts to manipulate the content and voting on /r/gaming in order to spin XBox One announcements and information to their advantage. We as curators of this community take such allegations very seriously, and have completed an investigation.

Yesterday, one individual posted to /r/gaming, claiming to work for a digital marketing firm, and alleged that during a visit to Microsoft's Redmond campus, she overheard Microsoft employees discussing content they had posted on behalf of their employer to "pics and gaming," and that she witnessed one of these employees mass-downvoting reddit content.

This provoked a HUGE thread that quickly spiraled out of control, with people digging through other redditors' submission history and then fingering them publicly as a "Microsoft Shill," encouraging everyone else in the thread to engage in mass-downvoting of all these people. At this time, we were forced to step in and end the thread, as this kind of behavior violates the Rules of Reddit regarding vote manipulation. Further, some people had become so angry at the allegations of corporate interference that personal information (dox) of people accused of having any affiliation with Microsoft—proof or not—was getting posted.

At this time, I made a statement regarding what is allowed (discussion for or against the XBox One) and what is not (vote manipulation and posting of personal information). That statement remains in effect. In it, I promised that I would share any results of our investigation with the community, and I would like to do so now.

1. 
   In the original post that set off the entire firestorm, no proof whatsoever was posted that the submitter worked for any marketing firm or had been to any Microsoft office (pun not intended). It was literally one giant wall of text with National Enquirer-style allegations, and not one iota of supporting evidence.
2. 
   In the comments on that post, several people chimed in with similar stories. One individual claimed to work for Waggener Edstrom, whose client list does include Microsoft, and alleged that this PR firm was "really trying to ramp up their presence on blog sites and Reddit in particular."
3. 
   I have since communicated with Peter Wootton, Senior Vice President for Waggener Edstrom, who reviewed his firm's employee and contractor records and found no trace of the individual in (2) ever having worked for or with them, and as such that individual would have no knowledge of any of the operations of that firm. I reviewed the data he sent me and found it compelling enough to assert that it is true and correct.
4. 
   I asked Mr. Wootton the following questions, on the record:
   Is your firm now, or has it been in the past, engaged in using paid or unpaid staff, contractors, volunteers, or associates to post, comment, and/or vote on content for or on behalf of any company, firm, or organization in the /r/Gaming section of reddit.com? Has your firm ever advised or suggested to any other company, firm, or organization that it should use its own paid or unpaid staff, contractors, volunteers, or associates to post, comment, and/or vote on content in the /r/Gaming section of reddit.com?
5. 
   His response appears below:
   Totally fair question, Dan. The answer is no. Waggener Edstrom adheres to a strict code of ethics and conduct in terms of how we participate in social forums and services as individuals, and on behalf of the clients we counsel and represent.
6. 
   Mr. Wootton has agreed to participate in this thread and answer questions you might have about his firm and their relationship with Microsoft. His username is /u/petewootton. I know many people will have an initial instinct to distrust and downvote, but in my interaction with him over the last 24 hours I do not feel he has misled me, and I do not believe he is trying to mislead you either. He, after all, has provided proof of who he is and what he does, something the original poster making the allegations completely failed to do.
7. 
   Let's reiterate that last bit there. The original allegations that Microsoft was engaged in manipulating this community did not come with any proof and the person who chimed in to back up those allegations (see point #2 in this list) has been proven false.
8. 
   Let's also look at it from a pragmatic standpoint. If Microsoft was trying to manipulate /r/gaming, they're certainly not doing it effectively. Ever since the XBox One was revealed, the commentary on it in this community has been universally negative. Our entire front page, for the last 24 hours, has consisted entirely of memes making fun of Microsoft and the XBox One.

When you add all this up, what do we get? 36. Also, the inevitable conclusion: /r/gaming, we have been trolled. A zero-day account showed up with a lot of claims and no proof, but knew all the right things to say to rile up the community in their revulsion for both the XBox One and corporate interference in our free community. The post was explicitly designed to trigger rage at heavy-handed and Orwellian tactics, and it did exactly that.

Unfortunately, as is often the case with such crowdsourced rage, innocent bystanders got caught in the crossfire and were subjected to abuse and harassment that they'd done nothing to deserve. Just because they had said something nice—or even neutral—about Microsoft or its latest console, they found themselves at the receiving end of dox dumps, threatening PMs, and crowds of downvote brigades annihilating their user account all over reddit.

Friends, we can do better than that. We're a big community, and it shouldn't be so easy for someone to register a new account, type a couple paragraphs, and get a three-million-strong pitchfork mob going for funsies and lulz. When someone comes along with claims like that, we should take a cue from /r/IAmA — ask for proof. Demand proof. If we had done that in the beginning, we'd have quickly found out the whole thing was a fake, and saved this community from the last day full of headache and front page shenanigans.

In the end, no, we're not being manipulated by Microsoft. We were manipulated by something much less impressive: one person with no proof and another with a lie. I hope they got the cheap laughs they were after, because we sure as **** delivered one hell of a show.

We can do better than that. We owe it to ourselves to do better than that. I hope, going forward, we do.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

 

[dabottom305]

Well that escalated quickly.

 

[daddyrabbit251]

I reading a article on GameSpot and publishers are coming out and even saying they don't understand the policy on used games

 

[thehealthinspector]

I reading a article on GameSpot and publishers are coming out and even saying they don't understand the policy on used games

nah, theyre just releasing statements which dance around the topic, they were just asked what they think about it... poor questioning by gamespot

they know exactly whats going on because they asked for it... no surprise from EA and activision

ill tell you two things they do know about MS

1.  publishers have control on whether or not a used game can be sold

2.  used games can only be sold by participating retailers... meaning owners can only sell to participating retailers

 

[kingfoamnyc]

How can you tell it's a joint effort. Not saying it isn't but EA dropping online passes then being friends with MS and offering them a timed exclusive tells me it probably isn't a joint effort.

We'll get answers tomorrow.

MS wouldn't be doing this if Sony wasn't doing any used game DRM that would be straight console suicide . Just imagine if they were the only console to block used games while the PS4 had access to all the triple A titles and can still trade or sell your games . The Xbox One would be dead on arrival .

 

[mugen81]

MS wouldn't be doing this if Sony wasn't doing any used game DRM that would be straight console suicide . Just imagine if they were the only console to block used games while the PS4 had access to all the triple A titles and can still trade or sell your games . The Xbox One would be dead on arrival .

But see with this statement, this has me thinking one of two things
A) where there is smoke there is fire, so all this information can't be a simple troll
B) Sony sees all this vitriol and totally pulls the rug from up under MS and goes completely left
I don't know what/who to believe but it'll be a while before I buy another console
But if naughty dog keeps doing the work they have always done( love jak and daxter, crash, uncharted) then I will pick a ps4 up
But I will miss the next installment of gears
Decisions lol

 

[Bad Religion]

Where we all posting during the conferences... the E3 thread? I dont want to be having to check 8 threads.

 

[D Double]

Where we all posting during the conferences... the E3 thread? I dont want to be having to check 8 threads.

E3 thread is where I'll be posting

 

[mr j 858]

Remember Peter Moore who was at Microsoft when XBOX 360 launched now is a president at EA.

No doubt he had a big influence on XBOX One putting in these dumb restrictions Microsoft is putting in for this next console gen.

 

[blakep267]

MS wouldn't be doing this if Sony wasn't doing any used game DRM that would be straight console suicide . Just imagine if they were the only console to block used games while the PS4 had access to all the triple A titles and can still trade or sell your games . The Xbox One would be dead on arrival .

But see with this statement, this has me thinking one of two things
A) where there is smoke there is fire, so all this information can't be a simple troll
B) Sony sees all this vitriol and totally pulls the rug from up under MS and goes completely left
I don't know what/who to believe but it'll be a while before I buy another console
But if naughty dog keeps doing the work they have always done( love jak and daxter, crash, uncharted) then I will pick a ps4 up
But I will miss the next installment of gears
Decisions lol

the used games thing would have to be on Sony too ( since it doesnt look like EA or any of the other big publishers are pulling support from the ps4). The publishers are pushing it.

And while Sony wont have an always on feature, they will have drm protection. They filed patents for it and even said they would. Just no details have been said.

 

[D Double]

the used games thing would have to be on Sony too ( since it doesnt look like EA or any of the other big publishers are pulling support from the ps4). The publishers are pushing it.

And while Sony wont have an always on feature, they will have drm protection. They filed patents for it and even said they would. Just no details have been said.

They'll lose a lot of money if they pull support from Sony.

Don't think Microsoft or Sony are at the mercy of the publishers.

 

[blakep267]

the used games thing would have to be on Sony too ( since it doesnt look like EA or any of the other big publishers are pulling support from the ps4). The publishers are pushing it.

And while Sony wont have an always on feature, they will have drm protection. They filed patents for it and even said they would. Just no details have been said.

They'll lose a lot of money if they pull support from Sony.

Don't think Microsoft or Sony are at the mercy of the publishers.

well they kind of are, because these used games policies only really benefit 1 party.

 

[mugen81]

See this drm thing is the ish I don't like
It's really hard justifying paying $60 bones for games when most of these sh*ts are trash
I don't want a multi media device
I want a video game system with quality games that don't require the Internet and these bogus dlcs that are already on the disc
It's just not like when I was growing up and unlocking things through multiple gameplay and games lasted longer
I find myself playing once through in 5-8 hours and getting bored of the title
Hmmm... I bought both systems last time but now this truly is going to be a wait a see of all pros and cons and the quality of games releasing

 

[offwhitewhite]

Curse of the third console. Will Microsoft be the only one immune? I'm still amazed at how well the PS2 sold. 

 

[bayyrd]

im so lost on this xbox one situation....

 

[nawghtyhare]

Curse of the third console. Will Microsoft be the only one immune? I'm still amazed at how well the PS2 sold. 



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I wouldn't call the ps3 console a curse yes it didn't sell more than the ps2 but it has had some amazing games.
Not to mention the N64 wasn't neither those games reveloutionized games as we know it

 

[offwhitewhite]

I wouldn't call the ps3 console a curse yes it didn't sell more than the ps2 but it has had some amazing games.
Not to mention the N64 wasn't neither those games reveloutionized games as we know it

Yes, but when you compare it to the sales of the PS2, it sold less then half. It's also the era where Microsoft became a premier console.That's huge. 

I agree, the Nintendo 64 has some of the greatest games of all time with SM64 holding my number one spot, but the N64 is where Nintendo goofed and let Sony take the reigns as the top console maker.

When it comes down to Consoles, Sega was always the most innovative to me. They tried to introduce online gaming and web browsing in 1994...The Dreamcast was also a powerhouse ahead of it's time; it's a damn shame what happened. 

 

[geministar]

Yes, but when you compare it to the sales of the PS2, it sold less then half. It's also the era where Microsoft became a premier console.That's huge. 


I agree, the Nintendo 64 has some of the greatest games of all time with SM64 holding my number one spot, but the N64 is where Nintendo goofed and let Sony take the reigns as the top console maker.


When it comes down to Consoles, Sega was always the most innovative to me. They tried to introduce online gaming and web browsing in 1994...The Dreamcast was also a powerhouse ahead of it's time; it's a damn shame what happened. 

Don't you mean Gamecube?