NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[Peep Game]

in regards to the hof, a players pro-bowl appearances should not be considered as heavily. its a popularity contest.

You can definitely say that now, but for awhile Pro Bowl votes were actually legit, and the Pro Bowl games were as well. I can't really pinpoint when the on-field play turned into flag football.

 

[bishopstrongbow]

I want Jeffery to have a Marshall and Q-lite career. So far he hasn't put it together, but the pieces are in place. Offensive guru HC in Trestman. Gunslinger QB with a live arm in Cutler. Forte to keep defenses honest. Bennett is a capable TE. Marshall draws coverage and attention.

I think he will. That hand injury really set him back his rookie year last year. I expect big things out of him in Trestmans offense 

 

[rg3ftw]

I hope AJ Green has a good week again. I need those points.

 

[champcruthik]

I assume AJ draws Ike Taylor. AJ is good enough to still go for 100 yards and a tub.

The receiver opposite Green should fry against the corner not named Ike.

 

[jpzx]

Adam Schefter ‏@AdamSchefter
Raiders have signed fullback Marcel Reece to a three-year contract extension. #MadMoney

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

That's my Pro Bowl Alternate

 

[fraij da 5 11]

 
I hope AJ Green has a good week again. I need those points.

Keep that in the fantasy football thread fam.

 

[illmatic34]

All I will say is that when you have the track record of someone like Brady, it really does give you more leniency when it comes to screaming at your teammates. Someone like Cutler does it and he's labeled a bad leader, but it's all relative. That's just how it is.

Exactly this.

You guys see Cutler as you want (as he's portrayed in the media), not a leader, crybaby, etc. I can't really measure whether or not he is a leader - the term gets thrown around so often without a definite definition. What exactly does a leader do? Does he win? If so, Cutler would fall under that definition because of his record with the Bears. Is the leader a good teammate so to speak? If so, Cutler would be that leader by all accounts of his teammates. Same goes with Rivers, Romo, etc. Sure, guys like Rivers and Cutler are trash talkers but they're loved by their teammates. Does a leader win a Super Bowl? Well that question seems to answer itself, but it doesn't mean other QBs can't be leaders. Would that make Dan Marino not a leader since he didn't win a ring? I would hope you answer no.

You can say Brady has a few SB rings and it makes his antics OK - but that just reinforces the double standard. Cutler gets ripped for his lack of enthusiasm, tantrums, bad body language and you say he's not a leader because of that. Brady turns around, throws a tantrum, and all of a sudden that's just OK because he's got a few rings? Cutler has always taken accountability for his mistakes and has not once thrown anyone under the bus. The J'Marcus Webb incident was the only one I can recall. And from what I have gathered, leaders take blame for everything even when it's not their fault.

There are ways to lead without being a fiery guy. Eli Manning is the perfect example. You don't have to be all hoorah to get a point across. Cutler doesn't show much emotion because if he did his blood sugar level would rise (this just feels weird to type ). I don't think Brady should be maligned for his tantrum, just that the media needs to be called out for its double standard.

Just because you're accomplished doesn't make you a leader. As a diehard Bulls fan, I never saw Jordan as a true leader. You might think I'm crazy, but at what extremes were his actions justified? Did he really need to constantly berate his teammates? We've all heard the stories of how harsh he was. Let's just take one example: when he called Will Perdue "Will Vanderbilt" because Jordan didn't think he should be named after a Big Ten school. I mean, if you were to hear that from your teammate, wouldn't that just straight up piss you off? Since when did childish insults factor into leadership?

 

[champcruthik]

Most looking forward to SF/Seattle. The hitting in that game. If only Goldson still sported a Niners jersey.

Manning Bowl second.

Low key watching to see if Cards, Rams, Fins, Bucs can pull upsets.

 

[champcruthik]

Ware turns the game into a nightmare for Alex Smith.

Charles will get his though.

 

[100027]

Ware turns the game into a nightmare for Alex Smith.

Charles will get his though.

Chiefs are supposed to have a great line.  I am interested to see how that plays out.

This is a good test for both teams- we don't know yet if they're good or average after week 1 despite their victories.

 

[champcruthik]

Yes, I'd hope so.

Fisher and Albert both high first rounders.

Hudson in the second. Asamoah in the third.

Prove your worth, boys. A wildcard spot is not out of the question long-term.

 

[ag 47]

Julio Jones and Roddy White both questionable for sun

Rams looking to go 2-0 and falcons 0-2

I'm with it. Jeff Fisher not getting enough credit. That Ram defense is vicious...athletic, fast, and they laying hats. Upset alert.

 

[mez 0ne]

Rams and Falcons will be a close game, Falcons will find a way to win though,

 

[champcruthik]

I could very well see it ending 23-20 in Atlanta's favor on a Bryant FG.

 

[thadoctadvocate]

Tom gon' drown a ***** in his moat.

* If brady had his receivers i believe they would of played better

 

[buc em]

I'm with it. Jeff Fisher not getting enough credit. That Ram defense is vicious...athletic, fast, and they laying hats. Upset alert.

I tried tellin people before...that Rams defense is serious. And with Richardson, Tavon, Givens and Cook they have explosiveness all over on offense. They're going to beat the Falcons this weekend.

 

[champcruthik]

I want to give more credit to Brockers and Jenkins.

Safety is the only minor weakness defensively. Quinn, Long, Langford in the trenches. Spoon, Animal, Tree. Finnegan's tenacity.

Don't forget Pead, Bailey, Pettis, Quick.

Their offensive line is built rugged with Long, Saffold, Dahl.

 

[champcruthik]

I'd be lying if I thought Tree would play this well. That's intimidating lining Tree and Animal next to each other.

 

[champcruthik]

Arizona got the best corner of the future.

Mathieu will only help make further plays and be a defensive nuisance.

 

[champcruthik]

Red Rifle, Kaep, Ayers, Rudolph, Titus Young (knucklehead), Bowers, Vereen, Ridley, Torrey Smith, Cobb, Murray, Housler, Mallett, Hank, Mason Foster, Shorts, Vincent Brown, Cameron.

 

[champcruthik]

Julius Thomas.

Richard Sherman.

 

[ag 47]

I want to give more credit to Brockers and Jenkins.

Safety is the only minor weakness defensively. Quinn, Long, Langford in the trenches. Spoon, Animal, Tree. Finnegan's tenacity.

Don't forget Pead, Bailey, Pettis, Quick.

Their offensive line is built rugged with Long, Saffold, Dahl.

I like McDonald. USC product makes his presence felt :x

Can't wait to see him out there against ATL.

 

[champcruthik]

I like McDonald, Stewart, and McLeod.

TJ might be best of the bunch with time.

 

[100027]

2011 Draft :x :x

Cam
Von
AJ
PP
Juli
Aldon
Tyron Smith
Watt
Fairly
Quinn
Pouncey
Kerrigan
Nate Solder
Wilkerson

:x




at buffalo passing on AJ / Julio

at Cleveland

at Ten / Jax / Minny

Truly a great draft for defense and a horrible draft for QBs