NFL Discussion Thread - Hall of Fame Game: August 3rd

[sb]

isray going yolo. dude is a mess

 

[dmxfury]

If the employer is cool with it then I see no 'ding' on him for this one

Plus rescheduling a vacation sucks

 

[sb]

30. Days. Away.

my body is ready

 

[jjs07]

You guys are making it seem like Desean is going on his vacation in spite of the Skins. Do any of you honestly think he would do anything to the contrary even after his name/rep was dragged thru the mud for the past couple of weeks? As I said before, the Skins were aware of his plans and didn't think it was that big of a deal for him to miss the workouts right now.

 

[nooera]

I cant believe yall are co-signing d-jax on that one

Just signed a contract for millions of dollars and he misses the first scheduled team meeting/workout?

Doesnt matter though, im sure his teammates are taking notice of his absence. Funny how no one really backed Desean in the Eagles locker room. I expect more of the same in DC . Im sure the vast majority of his teammates are there.

And im sure the ******** were absolutely fine with it. Thats why they suck

 

[bhergh]

Sirus radio was killing Desean Jackson this morning because he skipped the first day of offseason workouts

He was on vacation and was posting IG pics of himself on a private Island

I agreed with them until I found out later that he had been planned the trip and the Eagles first day was April 21

DC knew he wasn’t going to be there the first week

Sounds like the media making a big deal about nothing

Private island or Haiti? Dat me first attitude tho he displaying (how is it me first? Unless he's running go routes only then I guess it ain't.. )

 

[CP1708]

Pretty damn sure if he was still an Eagle, you wouldn't be sayin this.

It's ok tho, we understand.

pretty damn sure he was just cut for work ethic reasons; is skipping vacation or rescheduling that difficult?

Yes, Chip and the Philly org made damn sure to drag his name thru the mud plenty to get fans to believe it was about "work ethic".

Cuz the guy put up enormous numbers "without working hard" apparently. Had nothing to do with them saving 10+ million dollars or the fact that this is the deepest WR draft class in some time and they can fill other spots on the roster with the money and still replace Jax with a much cheaper option.

Work ethic, and gang activity tho.


Any other team, and you would see right on thru this spin job. Come on man, don't be that guy.

 

[nooera]

So are yall expexting D-Jax to flourish in Washington?

LOL.

And i would definitely question his work ethic. Not even based on getting released by the Eagles. He just missed HIS FIRST DAY OF WORK

 

[elpablo21]

If the employer is cool with it then I see no 'ding' on him for this one

Plus rescheduling a vacation sucks

*yawns*

Much ado about nothing

 

[stillin729]

Yes, Chip and the Philly org made damn sure to drag his name thru the mud plenty to get fans to believe it was about "work ethic".

Cuz the guy put up enormous numbers "without working hard" apparently. Had nothing to do with them saving 10+ million dollars or the fact that this is the deepest WR draft class in some time and they can fill other spots on the roster with the money and still replace Jax with a much cheaper option.

Work ethic, and gang activity tho.


Any other team, and you would see right on thru this spin job. Come on man, don't be that guy.

 

[jjs07]

So are yall expexting D-Jax to flourish in Washington?

LOL.

And i would definitely question his work ethic. Not even based on getting released by the Eagles. He just missed HIS FIRST DAY OF WORK

What about your meathead TE fresh off of forearm surgery doing the Ronnie/Situation shuffle on stage at an EDM concert...punctuated w/ a body slam? You ain't have **** to say about that, did you? Does that constitute work ethic or part of his rehab, or are we just seeing what we want to see here?

 

[nooera]

Gronk is a clown and is made of glass. Ive had plenty to say about it.
What that have to do with D-Jax missing his first day of work after getting canned from his last job?

D-Jax is a ****** teammate brah. Accept it

 

[CP1708]

Yes, Chip and the Philly org made damn sure to drag his name thru the mud plenty to get fans to believe it was about "work ethic".

Cuz the guy put up enormous numbers "without working hard" apparently. Had nothing to do with them saving 10+ million dollars or the fact that this is the deepest WR draft class in some time and they can fill other spots on the roster with the money and still replace Jax with a much cheaper option.

Work ethic, and gang activity tho.


Any other team, and you would see right on thru this spin job. Come on man, don't be that guy.

Terrific comeback. You deserve reps. Hold your breath while I give you mine.

 

[jjs07]

Gronk is a clown and is made of glass. Ive had plenty to say about it.
What that have to do with D-Jax missing his first day of work after getting canned from his last job?

D-Jax is a ****** teammate brah. Accept it

U in that locker room? If he was that bad of a teammate, there wouldn't have been a lot of support for him from guys around the league regarding his release. It's seems like most people outside of Philly (excluding you) can see through this transparency of why he was released.

 

[stillin729]

Terrific comeback. You deserve reps. Hold your breath while I give you mine.

 

[nooera]

U in that locker room? If he was that bad of a teammate, there wouldn't have been a lot of support for him from guys around the league regarding his release. It's seems like most people outside of Philly (excluding you) can see through this transparency of why he was released.

Does it even matter? The Diplomats are going to be trash this year like they are every year.

 

[IATT]

again,

jeff tedford, desean's coach at cal and now the OC in tampa, passed

andy reid,  desean's coach his first 5 seasons in the league and now the head coach in KC, passed

chip kelly, desean's coach for the greatest season of his career, passed

none of his former eagles teammates (the only nfl team he has played for, so far) have come out and berated the eagles for making the move

i think desean should have attended the mini-camps just for the PR.. it's not the end of the world that he didnt go, obviously since they are not mandatory.. but they usually are encouraged for younger guys and/or new guys

 

[maxelite]

Am i reaching?

 

[jjs07]

For the 3rd time...Skins knew of his plans and he was excused from OTAs.

This is no knock on his character or anything along those lines. Some of yall are really trollin' on some Skip Bayless levels today. Making a mountain out of a molehill

 

[finallyfamous]

Tool.

 

[jjs07]

Does it even matter? The Diplomats are going to be trash this year like they are every year.

And the Patriots will come up short again.

 

[dontsteponmyshoes]

So are yall expexting D-Jax to flourish in Washington?

LOL.

And i would definitely question his work ethic. Not even based on getting released by the Eagles. He just missed HIS FIRST DAY OF WORK

wasnt even his first day son. Its just like one of those wack office party potluck things where they WANT you to come but aint nothin if you dont

 

[stillin729]

Am i reaching?

you are def reaching for something

 

[DeadsetAce]

Does it even matter? The Diplomats are going to be trash this year like they are every year.

And the Patriots will come up short again.

|I

 

[str8drop]

DJax talk is getting tired IMO so i figured I'd post this up

Not a good time to be a running back at all 

 
[h1]Inside Slant: Running back cliff after age 27[/h1]

NFL general managers gather their smartest people each winter to analyze rosters, assess options and formulate a plan for the offseason marketplace. In 2014, at least, they made quick work of the running back position. 

By now it's no surprise to hear or read about the plummeting value of running backs. No one wants to pay them premium salaries or even spend a first-round draft pick on one. To this conversation, I'd like to add an obvious and clear representation for why. 

The information in the fancy line graph, courtesy of ESPN Stats & Information, is similar to the type of analysis NFL teams use. It shows, in pretty stark terms, how running back production drops off after the age of 27. (Hat tip to ESPN.com editor Brett Longdin for generating the graph.) 

 
The red line represents all running backs who have played at least four NFL seasons since 2001, with a minimum average of 75 carries per season. Overall, we see their careers peak at age 27. Afterward, their rushing totals drop by 15 percent in one year, 25 percent in two and almost 40 by the time they are 30. 

Most decision-makers -- whether their background was in scouting, accounting or anything in between -- saw that trend as a bad investment. As with any business, they reserve premium contracts for projected growth in production, not a decline. 

For comparison's sake, the graph also includes the receiver position (in blue, minimum average of 50 receptions over the same time period). You'll see some fluctuations, but even at age 31, the composite receiver produced a near-identical yardage total as he did at age 27. In other words, it's reasonable to expect a high-level performance into a receiver's early 30s. 
 

Peterson
Running backs get no such benefit of the doubt, nor should they from a strict business sense. Even Minnesota Vikings  tailback Adrian Peterson, one of the league's best players at any position, contributed to the curve at age 28 last season. It's true that he had the fifth-most rushing yards (1,266) in the NFL, but he also missed two games and overall fell 40 percent from his 2,097-yard effort in 2012. 

That line graph, along with a season that produced its fewest total league-wide rushing yards (57,795) in six seasons, led us to the eye-opening 2014 offseason. Keep in mind that age 27 is the essential point where most players, under the current collective bargaining agreement, become free agents for the first time. At their first opportunity for a payday, the league already views them to be beyond their prime. 

As of this week, teams have 177 running backs under contract. Of that group, 128 (72 percent) are 26 or younger. I counted only eight runners over the age of 29. Meanwhile, there was an obvious link between the handful of mid-20s running backs who did receive multiyear contracts this spring: None have been four-year feature backs. 

The Detroit Lions  will pay Joique Bell  (27) the eighth-highest salary for a running back in 2014 ($4.3 million). He has 248 career carries, an average of 62 per season. 

Toby Gerhart  (27) will receive $4 million from the Jacksonville Jaguars. He has averaged 69 carries per season. Donald Brown  (26) also will get $4 million from the San Diego Chargersafter totaling 551 carries in five seasons, while Ben Tate  (25) will get $3.25 million from theCleveland Browns  after totaling 421 carries in four seasons. 

And that's pretty much the list. What about Knowshon Moreno, who is 26 but has 845 career rushes? He got a one-year deal from the Miami Dolphins. Maurice Jones-Drew? He's 29 and has 1,804 career carries. His contract with the Oakland Raiders  guarantees him $1.2 million for 2014. He'll earn $2.5 million, assuming he makes the team. 

It's fair to expect the trend to continue expanding to the draft. NFL teams didn't draft a single running back in the first round in 2013, and at the moment, ESPN's Scouts Inc. doesn't project one  to be selected in the first round this year, either. (Their highest-rated runner, Ohio State's Carlos Hyde, has a mid-second round grade  

.) 

The message is clear: Running backs of this generation picked, well, the wrong generation to be running backs. Teams want them young, cheap and fresh -- and the data makes it difficult to argue their point.