NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[Hahahaha]

Why would CLE reach out to Hoyer about a new contract???



I hope this Pro Bowl is as good as last year

 

[tee eye ehm]

Didnt read everything, but...is there any mention on why 11 out of 12 balls on the Patriots side were deflated and none of the Colts balls were?

Home team provides the balls. Therefore, Pats wouldn't give the Colts deflated balls as that may give them an edge

Really? I thought each team provides 12 balls of their own?

I dont remember Brady or Hoodie or anyone speaking on the possibility of 11 of 12 of the Patriots balls were under inflated yet the elements, weather, etc, had no effect on the Colts balls.

 

[murkn3m]

Ya still talking about balls in here?

 

[mister friendly]

Some of yall aren't even thinking it

Inflate the Footballs at lowest limit and rub them then hand to the officials, they will be fine but then you let them sit in cold weather for hours the psi in them will change

How yall never left a ball in your car during the winter?

 

[elpablo21]

Ya still talking about balls in here?

Raheem Morris to ATL with Quinn?

 

[IATT]

Really amazed with the stance taken by belichick.. Hell I'm kinda impressed

It's like dude wasn't caught red handed cheating before.. But I think he would have been better off staying quiet.. Really believe that press conference is just going to make things worse

 

[flyerthandelta]

I dont think its going to die down with deflate gate with the media the better the story the more the ratings will be on Sunday. I hate it because i really believe its messing with the SB vibe its a championship gm and the Superbowl is the biggest sports event in the world.

 

[IATT]

If this is true, this is hilarious.. And glorious

“@IgglesNest: Washington team turned away Vic Fangio because he didn't want Raheem Morris but now he's leaving anyway? You can't make this stuff up.”

 

[rolaholic]

If this is true, this is hilarious.. And glorious

“@IgglesNest: Washington team turned away Vic Fangio because he didn't want Raheem Morris but now he's leaving anyway? You can't make this stuff up.”

Where's @JJs07  to make sense of this? 

 

[Mr.Guy]

Cool article on Russell Wilson, race, etc.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...s-and-the-comeback-when-russell-wilson-melted

"But they were also a swipe in the face of a family that knows well the price of being black in America, a family whose roots are traced to slaves freed after the Civil War. Ben and Harry’s father was once the president of Norfolk State University, a historically black college. Ben went to Harvard and Harry to Dartmouth, they became lawyers at a time when such achievement was not simple for a black man in America. In many ways not “black enough” might have been the cruelest thing anyone could have said."

Thanks for sharing

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

Didnt read everything, but...is there any mention on why 11 out of 12 balls on the Patriots side were deflated and none of the Colts balls were?

The thinking is (Bill mentioned yesterday as their official stance), it more than likely had to do w/ different variables that aren't being accounted for the two sets of footballs. What also matters is how the Patriots prep them for game-ready condition & Brady's comfort vs. the Colts or any other team in the league.

Their position is they did not intentionally circumvent the rules to deflate the footballs after the refs inspected it. They claim they followed all the rules on this matter and can prove that. According to Bill, they re-created the environment for that game & how they normally prepare them for Tom and found that the footballs deflate on their own. It's up to you if you want to give them the benefit of doubt on that. Personally, I think they just did it the ol' fashioned way and deflated it by hand...but my view is it's not a big deal nor worth any of this **** because QB's do it for their own comfort and it's NEVER been viewed as cheating to gain an advantage until now. New England simply got one upped in gamesmanship by the Colts and/or Ravens.

I suspect as part of its investigation the NFL will ask other teams around the league to re-create their prep for game-ready balls in a similar environment and compare/contrast vs. the Patriots. If the Pats are the only ones that deflate by the reported (not confirmed) margin, then it's a really bad look.

It goes without saying we need all the facts on the story before we definitively say this or that should happen. ESPN helped break the news, but they've contradicted themselves more than once already. Schefter has said different things than Mort's original report. Their sports science segment says one thing, the football analysts say another. **** is a stupid mess.

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

 

Didnt read everything, but...is there any mention on why 11 out of 12 balls on the Patriots side were deflated and none of the Colts balls were?

Home team provides the balls. Therefore, Pats wouldn't give the Colts deflated balls as that may give them an edge

Wrong. This is part of the reason why this story has become such a **** storm. Too much misinformation out there and opinions given without any fact-checking.

In 2013 the New York Times did a fascinating story talking about the process in which the Giants prepare balls for quarterback Eli Manning, so they’re to his liking. It takes months.
According to the Times story, the balls are rubbed vigorously for 45 minutes to remove the wax and darken the leather (new balls are too slick, quarterbacks will say). The Giants soak the ball with a wet towel. Then it is brushed again. Then it’s off to an electric spin wheel for more scrubbing. Then the process is repeated twice more. They practice with those balls to break them in even further, and then the ones deemed fit for games are protected like the president.

“No one is allowed to touch those balls,” team’s equipment director Joe Skiba told the Times. “They’re precious jewels. Too much work has gone into them.”

Quarterbacks are particular about the footballs they use. In 2006, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady teamed up to lobby the NFL competition committee to allow each team to provide its own footballs for games, so they could be to the quarterbacks’ liking. Home teams provided all the balls before that, and quarterbacks didn’t like the differences in the balls for each road game. The committee passed it, and now each team provides 12 balls for officials to inspect two hours and 15 minutes before the game.

Although much has been made of the edges that teams can get by deflating footballs (it can make them easier to grip and catch), Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers prefers the opposite. CBS’ Phil Simms said during a Packers broadcast (via CSNNE.com) that he prefers his footballs be over-inflated, and he’ll even push the NFL rules on it. Game balls are, by rule, to be inflated with 12.5 to 13.5 pounds of air per square inch and weigh 14 to 15 ounces.

“(Rodgers) said something [that] was unique,” Simms said on CBS, via CSNNE. "[Rodgers said] 'I like to push the limit to how much air we can put in the football, even go over what they allow you to do and see if the officials take air out of it.' Because he thinks it’s easier for him to grip. He likes them tight.”

Are various tricks to break in footballs considered cheating? There have been stories of quarterbacks and kickers putting footballs in the dryer since field goals were invented, sometimes with a wet towel or fabric softener, to break them in.

There hasn't been much of an outrage from many former and current players about this story. Shaun King, a former NFL quarterback who works for Yahoo, said the whole deflate-gate isn’t a big deal. Every quarterback, he said, will do things to break in their footballs.

“Every quarterback does whatever they deem necessary to have their balls the way they like them,” King said. “This is a pure witch hunt the NFL and sports media is on.”

Former NFL quarterback Matt Leinart agreed that the whole story is no big deal, on his Twitter account.

Every team tampers with the footballs. Ask any Qb In the league, this is ridiculous!!
— Matt Leinart (@MattLeinartQB) January 21, 2015

Actually my guy @kurt13warner didn't tamper w the footballs because he wore gloves. Used to irritate me..So correction, almost all QBs! Lol
— Matt Leinart (@MattLeinartQB) January 21, 2015

 

Former NFL quarterback Tim Hasselbeck, who works with ESPN, shared that sentiment.

QB's are picky about fb's and could tell you everything about their game balls. broken in to their liking. how it works. period.
— tim hasselbeck (@tthasselbeck) January 21, 2015

coaches, refs, average fan wouldn't be able to tell the difference by holding them.
— tim hasselbeck (@tthasselbeck) January 21,

Source: http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...alls--tricks-to-get-them-right-194020439.html

 

[skurrtskurrt29]

@ Pats fans mad cause people keep going in on their team. They've been caught before so I'm not understanding the outrage. They do not deserve the benefit of the doubt.

And anyway, your squad is about to play in the Super Bowl. I wouldn't give a **** about what anybody had to say

 

[elpablo21]

I just hope we get another Frank Caliendo 30 for 30 out of this

Would be pure *******

 

[mr marcus]

Not surprised

It's just a media/patriots haters thing

Media running with it cause patriots haters get a fix off of it...justifies how **** their team is during the patriots run

 

[jham15]

"But what was the NFL really found?  As one league source has explained it to PFT, the football intercepted by Colts linebacker D’Qwell Jackson was roughly two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum.  The other 10 balls that reportedly were two pounds under may have been, as the source explained it, closer to one pound below 12.5 PSI."

 

[EddieDoyers]

Do u guys consider Russell a Black QB?

He's the best black QB in the past decade
I would even say top 10 QB the past 2 years

 

[flyerthandelta]

Its a wrap for Josh Gordon now another failed drug test get this fool out man

 

[mr marcus]

He is black so I mean yea. Listen to Kenny Chesney black but he's still black

 

[mr marcus]

Its a wrap for Josh Gordon now another failed drug test get this fool out man

Idiot smh....weed is not that serious

 

[EddieDoyers]

Its a wrap for Josh Gordon now another failed drug test get this fool out man

View media item 1369764Cleveland never gonna win

 

[flyerthandelta]

Its a wrap for Josh Gordon now another failed drug test get this fool out man

Idiot smh....weed is not that serious

What makes me sick is id love to have that kind of money and be in the league this idiot just doesnt get it

 

[rook]

I refuse to believe he failed another test. Ban this dude man. What a joke

 

[Hahahaha]

Damn, his career is probably over. He gotta have some serious demons if he can't handle this ****. Oh well. Sad

 

[flyerthandelta]

Hes facing banishment now entirely according to Shefter.