NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

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You guys are really making solid counter arguments here with your smilies and sayings like "stats don't tell the whole story".
 
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He doesn't have a counter to those stats 
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I really don't see the problem in saying Russell is a decent QB that can run. It's like dudes get offended if you don't say he's great.
 
I really don't see the problem in saying Russell is a decent QB that can run. It's like dudes get offended if you don't say he's great.
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 Seriously and no one's said he's trash or garbage,just that he's not "elite" yet. He could get there eventually but right now he's just a solid QB that usually does a good job limiting mistakes,nothing more nothing less.
 
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If we gonna talk about systems inflating QBs stats, you can't ignore Tom Bradys completions of under 5 yards that pad the completion %.

Regardless, I never said RW was better than Brady or P Manning. But he's definitely one of the better QBs and top 10.

If I was starting a team right now and couldn't pick Brady or Rodgers, Russell Wilson might be my next choice. (factoring in the aging of Manning, Romo, Brees, etc)
 
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If I was starting a team right now and couldn't pick Brady or Rodgers, Russell Wilson might be my next choice. (factoring in the aging of Manning, Romo, Brees, etc)

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Does he come with his defense? If not, might wanna look elsewhere.
 
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Luck would probably be my guy if you can't pick AR/Brady. He can also run with the best of them,just doesn't usually need to
 
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If we gonna talk about systems inflating QBs stats, you can't ignore Tom Bradys completions of under 5 yards that pad the completion %.


Regardless, I never said RW was better than Brady or P Manning. But he's definitely one of the better QBs and top 10.


If I was starting a team right now and couldn't pick Brady or Rodgers, Russell Wilson might be my next choice. (factoring in the aging of Manning, Romo, Brees, etc)

no knock on tom dude is the goat, but if youre starting a team you dont take the qb who is on the final stretch of his career, the top two players im taking if im starting a team is rodgers or luck after them its gotta be jj watt. and to be honest i really wouldnt put anyone else in those 3 players category...
 
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Nah last time i remember theres an undefeated QB in SBs with no tainted legacy either.

Terry :smokin



As far as 4 vs 6, you have to take the competition and conference strength into play. That hurts Brady compared to Joe IMO but still 4/6 is incredible
 
Nah last time i remember theres an undefeated QB in SBs with no tainted legacy either.

People place too much weight on that undefeated in Super Bowls or NBA Finals stat. An L in the playoffs is still an L, whether its the Wild Card or Super Bowl, they took that L. As long as your record isn't like a Jim Kelly 0 for 3 or whatever, it shouldn't hole that much weight.
 
People place too much weight on that undefeated in Super Bowls or NBA Finals stat. An L in the playoffs is still an L, whether its the Wild Card or Super Bowl, they took that L. As long as your record isn't like a Jim Kelly 0 for 3 or whatever, it shouldn't hole that much weight.

yeah dont sell kelly short bruh... he was 0-4
 
Nah last time i remember theres an undefeated QB in SBs with no tainted legacy either.

Terry :smokin



As far as 4 vs 6, you have to take the competition and conference strength into play. That hurts Brady compared to Joe IMO but still 4/6 is incredible

True but Montana is GOAT...having to through Parcells Giants...Ditkas Bears in the same conference alone :x


Nah last time i remember theres an undefeated QB in SBs with no tainted legacy either.

People place too much weight on that undefeated in Super Bowls or NBA Finals stat. An L in the playoffs is still an L, whether its the Wild Card or Super Bowl, they took that L. As long as your record isn't like a Jim Kelly 0 for 3 or whatever, it shouldn't hole that much weight.

Well MJ 6/6 sooo....to be great you gotta be measured by championships how many you have and lost
 
Yeah and now its QB league more than ever cant say the same how defenses were back then ofcourse the numbers would be enormous now.
 
Excerpt from a NY Times article published in October 28, 1997...
Trailing by 4 points halfway through the third quarter tonight, the New England Patriots had a first-and-goal at the Green Bay 1-yard line. It looked like an easy touchdown, like the emotional lift they needed to recover from what had been a flat performance. Then came disaster.

Four straight plays, and no score. No gain on a first-down run, then three straight incomplete passes. On fourth down, quarterback Drew Bledsoe tried to squeeze a pass to fullback Keith Byars, but it was knocked away by cornerback Tyrone Williams, the same player who had been burned on two deep plays by Terry Glenn. At this point, you could almost see the Patriots deflate, and the rematch from last year's Super Bowl was basically over.
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Something else in there too.
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Wasn't it Bill Walsh himself that helped the league become more QB driven with his West Coast offense, though?
 
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