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i feel bad for anyone that has to trust sam bradford's body holding up.
NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins
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I'm an incurable optimist and I'll continue to say that I believe in Bradford as a better-than-average quarterback until the end.
Staying healthy is...well, whatever. He needs to.
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Even body aside I'm not sure he's a much better player than Mark Sanchez.
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4 of the 5 you just named haven't even experienced their first season away from Chip since Chip took over. Let's wait and see those before saying this probably.
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh
We've seen them all without Chip already?
We've seen them all without Chip already?
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So they're the exact same players that they were in 2012? All of them?
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I don't know, are they?
You said we need to see them 'away from Chip.' We've seen them 'away from Chip' already.
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Y'all are serious? 
Players performances can't be affected by going into different situations? Really? We're taking that stance? If Shady stays healthy, how much are the Bills going to air it out with Matt Cassel. I think a 26-year-old RB has a chance, a chance, to have the best season of his career in that situation, don't you? Nah but 2012, stuff that happened three years ago, players they were three years ago , so we know what to expect.
Rotowire update, June 11th:
Away from Chip in 2015 and away from Chip in 2012 obviously carry the real possibility of being different entities for several of the players he said 'had their best year in an Eagles uniform under Chip.' Like, because they weren't with Chip in 2012 and before we're supposed to know what's going to happen in 2015? But, actually? Come on.
Players performances can't be affected by going into different situations? Really? We're taking that stance? If Shady stays healthy, how much are the Bills going to air it out with Matt Cassel. I think a 26-year-old RB has a chance, a chance, to have the best season of his career in that situation, don't you?
Nah but 2012, stuff that happened three years ago, players they were three years ago , so we know what to expect.Rotowire update, June 11th:
Away from Chip in 2015 and away from Chip in 2012 obviously carry the real possibility of being different entities for several of the players he said 'had their best year in an Eagles uniform under Chip.' Like, because they weren't with Chip in 2012 and before we're supposed to know what's going to happen in 2015? But, actually? Come on.
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^Well there should be no transition adjustment for Rex. Same **** he was in at the Jets. **** qb and a nice defense.
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Rex has never had a RB who at the time was even close to McCoy's skill level, but sure..
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Up until this point obviously
Desean is me guy who won't win anything, Shady I believe wants to be the best at least. Foles will be decent in STL, Mathis was a journeymen and all the sudden was a two time pro bowler in 2013 and 2014. Maclin got crucified on NT for years.
None of these are coincidences IMO
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Yeah, but I just mean we shouldn't use that as a point in Chip's corner when discussing Chip, because like you said "up until this point" but that point is skewed in Chip's favor, since we don't know - until seeing them in other uniforms - how dramatic those players' personal developments have accelerated on their own accord, rather than as an effect of Chip and his imprint. So I just thought I'd point that out.
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I mean you kinda have to use it in Chip's corner.
Bottom line is I'm on board with these moves, I'd rather him fail than keep going 10-6. He was brought in to do it his way.
Bottom line is I'm on board with these moves, I'd rather him fail than keep going 10-6. He was brought in to do it his way.
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You do have to use it in Chip's corner, you are forced to, and that's the unfair part about it that I'm trying to underline.
Trust me, I'm not saying 4 of 5 or even saying 'this guy, this guy and this guy' are going to have their best season away from Chip, we don't know for sure, but there are situational things that suggest some of them could have the biggest year of their career in front of them rather than behind them, but you said it like it was final - "they had the best year under Chip." Can't we give them at least one chance/season, as the players they are in the year 2015, to see if that's not true? Otherwise it's an unfair point in Chip's corner is all. Not like, coming at you or anything, just saying.
Trust me, I'm not saying 4 of 5 or even saying 'this guy, this guy and this guy' are going to have their best season away from Chip, we don't know for sure, but there are situational things that suggest some of them could have the biggest year of their career in front of them rather than behind them, but you said it like it was final - "they had the best year under Chip." Can't we give them at least one chance/season, as the players they are in the year 2015, to see if that's not true? Otherwise it's an unfair point in Chip's corner is all. Not like, coming at you or anything, just saying.
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I can't give Chip that credit though. Yes, factually they had better statistics, but I could argue they didn't become better players. The only IMO that better better under Chip is Evan Mathis, and you can't even argue that one.
But first Maclin & Foles. Prior to the 2014 season, under Chip Kelly, Maclin had only played one full 16 season under Andy Reid, and that was his 2nd season in the NFL. Also, we all know the consist health problems he faced in the Andy Reid era. Nick Foles started 8 & 10 in his two seasons under Chip, compared to the 6 games under Andy Reid, which also explains higher stats for him under Chip. These two are just examples of higher stats are a result of more playing time, than coaching.
Second, is Shady and DeSean Jackson. Yes, Chip's offense directly affected their touches and increased their stats, but this is where I question did they become better player. Both Shady and DeSean were Pro-Bowlers BEFORE Chip's arrival. In fact, DeSean had better average yard per catch every year than the Chip years, besides his rookie year, including a better average last year as a *******. Same for Shady, who had his best receiving year, yards per rush, and touchdown years, all under Andy Reid.
I think of this like the GS Warriors situation. Curry and Thompson are having career years under Steve Kerr. However, I don't think most would think Mark Jackson was limiting them (in fact he developed them godspeed), but would argue that they are progressing young player entering their prime.
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Years without chip for guys named:
Desean: 6
Maclin: 4
Shady: 4
Mathis: 9
Foles: 1
Desean: 6
Maclin: 4
Shady: 4
Mathis: 9
Foles: 1
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That's the point, these guys were just entering their prime. Do you really expect them to have career numbers in years 1 & 2, or 5 & 6?
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Cassel is so hot and cold. I wouldn't even worry about him having a horrible day in OTA's. He is who he is. He's a seasoned vet. I trust him to figure it out. I don't trust him to take the Bills to the Super Bowl, but who is?
jpzx
Weren't you interning with the Star Tribune? When am I gonna start seeing some published articles from you, brotha?
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Weren't you interning with the Star Tribune? When am I gonna start seeing some published articles from you, brotha?
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Son is gonna be a monster. Pressures on Clowney.
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Mine was a statement of fact.. I read what you wrote and just put that information out there..
But you can look at Maclin for example who blew out his knee in camp Chip's 1st year.. Then had his best season by like 400 yards last year with terrible QB play (his 1 season over 1000 yards)
Desean had his best year by 200+ yards.. Shady by 300 rushing yards (as well as having his 2nd best receiving season, which is huge when comparing to a Andy Reid RB., and over 2,000 total yards)
Mathis had a career resurgence with us on the whole
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We just going to agree to disagree. Your taking the approach of look at the totals and I'm taking the approach of looking at efficiency. Yes DeSean had 176 yards more yards, but he also had 20 more catches and played in one more full game. Yes Shady had 298 more rushing yards, but he also had 41 more carries and played in one more full game.
I view both sides. This Finals LeBron is going on a scoring tear average 40 points in the first three games. But he is also shooting 37% from the field, and 33% from 3, and attempted 38, 35, 34, & 22 shots, more than ever before.
Both of over arguments are right, just how we view and analzye it is different
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shady had 2,146 total yards that year.. Which is 522 more than his next best year
And chip has broken the Eagles overall scoring record (think he did it for yardage too) each of his first two seasons
And chip has broken the Eagles overall scoring record (think he did it for yardage too) each of his first two seasons
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I think Mac and Mathis definitely became better players under Chip. That was the healthiest we've seen Mac and the most versatile and effective we've seen him (screens, go routes, sideline grabs, blocking). Mathis was pretty much a journeyman and afterthought before he got into Chips offense.
If you watched Shady last year you could tell something was off about him, he could've very well had bigger numbers than he ended up with. Sproles was definitely hitting those holes harder than Shady, he left a lot of meat... nvm
If you watched Shady last year you could tell something was off about him, he could've very well had bigger numbers than he ended up with. Sproles was definitely hitting those holes harder than Shady, he left a lot of meat... nvm
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