- 20,202
- 4,184
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2007
Exactly
That's why this whole thing is riduclous
People are so guillible to think this is cheating
Last edited:
NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by 651akathepaul,
- Start date
- Status
Exactly
That's why this whole thing is riduclous
People are so guillible to think this is cheating
- 7,382
- 10,175
- Joined
- Dec 29, 2012
That's not debunking everything he said tho
The main thing he said was if the ball was inflated in a controlled environment like a locker room, when you go outside in cold temperatures after a while it will adjust to the conditions and potentially drop psi until it stabilizes.
I'm not saying that's what happened because at this point nobody knows but they've had a few physics professors go on record and basically say the same exact thing.
Last edited:
- 18,373
- 33,982
- Joined
- Mar 27, 2004
it's temperature in Kelvin. so to get a 20% change in air pressure, you need a 20% change in absolute temperature. which, for a 50 degree day, would need the balls to be heated to 150 degrees. in some ways it's plausible and in other ways it's not.
what it really boils down to for me is how does an underinflated ball feel in your hand. I don't have a pressure guage but I want to find a way to try it. playing with a truly flat ball, even one that's not fully pumped, is pretty easy for anyone to notice. but how much psi is that?
what it really boils down to for me is how does an underinflated ball feel in your hand. I don't have a pressure guage but I want to find a way to try it. playing with a truly flat ball, even one that's not fully pumped, is pretty easy for anyone to notice. but how much psi is that?
- 82,214
- 117,135
- Joined
- Jan 2, 2010
Troy Aikman went it too. I guess he's a Pats hater too right?
http://nypost.com/2015/01/22/aikman-on-deflategate-brady-knew-and-belichick-should-burn/
jayoo88
Banned
- 355
- 91
- Joined
- Oct 12, 2014
i don't see how checking the footballs 2 hours before the game and then giving the balls to the team makes ANY sense at all..if anything they should be checked right before kick off
- 8,008
- 5,846
- Joined
- May 7, 2005
@str8drop....how isnt it debunking him??
He started by saying everything bellicheck said didnt make sense, and the only way to deflate a ball that much is with a sports needle, not temperature changes. hes a real life scientist, he doesnt just play one for TV.
whether people think its a big deal or not, a competitive advantage or not, bellicheck did it for a reason, he was sneaky in doing it, and got caught...people that get caught breaking rules usually get punished..
i wish people would just accept it for what it is, cheating, and stop trying to say; "its not a big deal", "(insert former player here) doesnt like the patriots", "everybody does it"...
stop trying to justify it...its wrong..
He started by saying everything bellicheck said didnt make sense, and the only way to deflate a ball that much is with a sports needle, not temperature changes. hes a real life scientist, he doesnt just play one for TV.
whether people think its a big deal or not, a competitive advantage or not, bellicheck did it for a reason, he was sneaky in doing it, and got caught...people that get caught breaking rules usually get punished..
i wish people would just accept it for what it is, cheating, and stop trying to say; "its not a big deal", "(insert former player here) doesnt like the patriots", "everybody does it"...
stop trying to justify it...its wrong..
Last edited:
- 15,661
- 4,793
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2008
@VA757VA
Did you even watch the video?
Look at this.
This is what people are gonna run with now?!
Bruh.
A fluff piece from Good Morning America in which Bill Nye (an admitted Seahawks fan) playfully ***** around on the subject. LOL.
You already knew once science & physics got involved we were gonna get wacky **** from all over the place. And just FTR, there's already been videos and articles from unbiased people in the professional & academic fields in which they conclude the Patriots official version of events is scientifically possible. (Even though I personally believe it went a different way...)
This **** really gets more bizarre by the day. The fact that dudes are willing to go along w/ this, but not any of the reasonable counter-arguments just proves they made their minds up as soon as the news leaked and there isn't anything anyone can do to change it.
Did you even watch the video?
Look at this.
This is what people are gonna run with now?!
A fluff piece from Good Morning America in which Bill Nye (an admitted Seahawks fan) playfully ***** around on the subject. LOL.
You already knew once science & physics got involved we were gonna get wacky **** from all over the place. And just FTR, there's already been videos and articles from unbiased people in the professional & academic fields in which they conclude the Patriots official version of events is scientifically possible. (Even though I personally believe it went a different way...)
This **** really gets more bizarre by the day. The fact that dudes are willing to go along w/ this, but not any of the reasonable counter-arguments just proves they made their minds up as soon as the news leaked and there isn't anything anyone can do to change it.
Last edited:
elpablo21
Supporter
- 105,457
- 193,105
- Joined
- Feb 11, 2008
is there any article or link confirming the Colts balls were checked?
- 8,008
- 5,846
- Joined
- May 7, 2005
its funny that you said that because youve been going the HARDEST on one side of the argument since the news came out..all pro-patriots mind you...
Excuse me if my 'mind is made up' for not believing the story of a dude who has been caught cheating multiple times before.
If it doent add up, im not gonna just turn a blind eye and say "it is what it is" and move on...no...if it doesnt add up im going to speak up and say somethings fishy..its pretty simple..
stop trying to justify it...stop trying to give reasons why peoples opinions are wrong or biased on the issue..take in EVERYTHING equally..
After taking EVERYTHING(both sides) in equally, it really looks like something fishy is going on in New England....again..
Last edited:
- 23,318
- 11,740
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2012
http://grantland.com/podcasts/
After the part with his dad (who's also confident about a Pats win after the Seahawk's GB performance)
Bill Nye a Seahawks fan
Last edited:
- 50
- 42
- Joined
- Oct 14, 2013
- 144,336
- 174,120
- Joined
- Mar 16, 2010
Shocking that Simmons,who's probably the most well known Boston sports homer, and his friend would pick the Pats to winhttp://grantland.com/podcasts/
After the part with his dad (who's also confident about a Pats win after the Seahawk's GB performance)
Bill Nye a Seahawks fan
He is a Mariners fan so I wouldn't put it past him to also rep the Seahawks
Been on that bowtie swag for decades
Last edited:
- 19,563
- 6,839
- Joined
- Apr 27, 2009
Pretty sure bill nye lives up here. Think he also raised the 12th man flag once
- 5,254
- 653
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2007
VA757VA -- saying that illoquent has confirmation bias doesnt mean you also dont have it
you cant refute what i said about the relationship between air pressure , air density , and temperature . you cannot refute that a drop in temperature and a drop in air density has to result in a decrease in air pressure . that means that there is a possibility the under-deflation of the balls was a result of the elements
i havent seen any of the patriots fans in here definitively say "there is no way the patriots cheated" or guarantee that there was no foul play . if any have i missed it . but i have seen you and others definitively and absolutely say that this is cheating . you dont have all the facts , nor do you understand the intricacies of air pressure and PSI . all youve done is hold on to the statements of people who confirm the bias you already had against the patriots and that they are cheaters
this is the last ill say responding to any of your comments . you are entitled to your opinion , but know that your opinion reeks of bias
you cant refute what i said about the relationship between air pressure , air density , and temperature . you cannot refute that a drop in temperature and a drop in air density has to result in a decrease in air pressure . that means that there is a possibility the under-deflation of the balls was a result of the elements
i havent seen any of the patriots fans in here definitively say "there is no way the patriots cheated" or guarantee that there was no foul play . if any have i missed it . but i have seen you and others definitively and absolutely say that this is cheating . you dont have all the facts , nor do you understand the intricacies of air pressure and PSI . all youve done is hold on to the statements of people who confirm the bias you already had against the patriots and that they are cheaters
this is the last ill say responding to any of your comments . you are entitled to your opinion , but know that your opinion reeks of bias
Last edited:
- 23,318
- 11,740
- Joined
- Dec 1, 2012
Not at all. I was saying how much I appreciate their confidence and predictions.
Shocking that Simmons,who's probably the most well known Boston sports homer, and his friend would pick the Pats to win
- 15,661
- 4,793
- Joined
- Apr 12, 2008
You & I are biased on this issue. So are many others. That's pretty clear.
I'll say it again though, why is it that the loudest NT'ers on this subject who go hard and refute any reasonable explanations or counter-points are the same ones that had past beefs or agendas involving the Patriots? Let's call a spade a spade, man.
Look around you. A great majority of _'s in here who don't have a horse in the race and are TRUE neutral observers think this an overhyped, non-story, non-big deal, silly *** distraction that isn't worth any of this attention and does not matter because it has no real affect on the game. Does that not count for something?
Here's what I said from the start: my personal opinion is that Tom Brady lied in his presser and Bill *could* have told the truth. But regardless of intent, it's more than likely nothing out of the ordinary and not just exclusive to them. Why? Because the footballs are being doctored and tailored to Brady's preference for comfort.
It's inconclusive at BEST in regards to whether it even provides any real/significant advantage, and I listed examples of (unbiased) scientific segments backing up that claim.
It's an open secret around the league and in different levels of the sport that some QB's have their footballs doctored a certain way to their liking. I gave you different (unbiased) legitimate examples, including a painfully obvious one that you, I, and the entire country watching the same game A. mostly ignored B. didn't deem it important at the time. That same blatant example just so happens to have that QB liking his footballs doctored out of spec and hoping officials don't notice and "fix it".
It's gamesmanship.
Difference between any previous similar situations vs. this #deflategate nonsense is the
That's what it is from my end. I think I've been reasonable.
You've given us an out-of-context Bill Nye quote and emotional conjecture from current members of the football media. AND you essentially admitted that this is your own way to cape for Peyton Manning, who has NOTHING to do w/ any of this...unless you want to include the little known fact that he AND Tom both went to the NFL in 2006 and pushed to let teams control their own footballs.
Last edited:
- 1,655
- 279
- Joined
- Dec 27, 2012
Love the fact that bill nye **** on the hoodie, basically told him to sit down and ****! bill nye > bb
bill nye > bb
- 11,411
- 5,368
- Joined
- Aug 17, 2007
Bill nye THE science guy was filmed in Seattle, hes from up here I thought all Seattle folk knew this lol
- 5,254
- 653
- Joined
- Jul 29, 2007
jpzx
Supporter
- 57,519
- 27,214
- Joined
- Feb 7, 2008
I'm sure Nye is right and his Seattle connection doesn't skew what he said, but I just wish he would have elaborated.
I'm sure we'll see something tomorrow with him starting off by saying, "Some of you wished that I would've dug into the claims made by Bill Belichick a bit more, well I will do that now..."
I'm sure we'll see something tomorrow with him starting off by saying, "Some of you wished that I would've dug into the claims made by Bill Belichick a bit more, well I will do that now..."
- 50
- 42
- Joined
- Oct 14, 2013
Bill Nye might be as right as Dr. Oz is.
jpzx
Supporter
- 57,519
- 27,214
- Joined
- Feb 7, 2008
People really have no idea how respected he is, do they?
- 1,976
- 416
- Joined
- Jan 21, 2003
Didnt read everything, but...is there any mention on why 11 out of 12 balls on the Patriots side were deflated and none of the Colts balls were?
hiphopisdead
Banned
- 940
- 478
- Joined
- Dec 31, 2014
Home team provides the balls. Therefore, Pats wouldn't give the Colts deflated balls as that may give them an edge
Last edited:
- 20,202
- 4,184
- Joined
- Feb 22, 2007
Both teams provide their own Footballs
- Status
