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Are you saying you don't think Brees belongs with those 3?No I dont think Brees is
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Are you saying you don't think Brees belongs with those 3?No I dont think Brees is
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To me Brees is like the Steve Nash of the NFL
Tom Brady didn't really explode statistically until the 07 season. Its hard to deny that Payton boosted Brees, but I just can't leave him out of that group. Mike McCarthy and the GB coaching staff molded Aaron Rodgers into the QB they wanted, but I wouldn't hold that against them.Because the top 3 have pretty much been studs since they started.
Brees was a good player but he didn't become great until he hooked up Sean Payton.
To me Brees is like the Steve Nash of the NFL
QB stats now make me sick. 4k is like what 2,500 used to be
QB stats now make me sick. 4k is like what 2,500 used to be
This couldn't be any more truer.
I honestly don't see it moving back to a run balanced league.
People are starting to notice your shelf life and career in the NFL is going to last alot longer as a WR than a RB.
That's why hes the 2nd best QB of all time.Sean Payton isn't throwing the football. He was definitely a helping hand as his eye in the sky, but he isn't what makes Brees elite. Any team that would go through turmoil like that and lose their HC for a full season would undoubtedly lose cohesion within their scheme and ultimately, play would look downgraded.
The one quarterback that's actually the exception to that is Peyton. But Brady without Bill and Rodgers without Mike for a full season and having that coach being plucked outta the building before the season would probably all see their numbers suffer.
Sean Payton isn't throwing the football. He was definitely a helping hand as his eye in the sky, but he isn't what makes Brees elite. Any team that would go through turmoil like that and lose their HC for a full season would undoubtedly lose cohesion within their scheme and ultimately, play would look downgraded.
The one quarterback that's actually the exception to that is Peyton. But Brady without Bill and Rodgers without Mike for a full season and having that coach being plucked outta the building before the season would probably all see their numbers suffer.
You made a comment that teams come out bombing and tend to slow down and run the ball in the second half....which makes the ratios a little more even.I dot understand the comment?Whats unclear MMG?
Are you saying the patriots are the ony team who does it?
Are you being sarcastic ?
We weren't talking about the Pats exclusively, the whole convo was in general terms.
sports evolve...eventually we'll cycle back to ground and pound (i think - although with the position of QB evolving the way it is, who knows if it'll ever be power-I and run it down your throats again). i don't understand why the aerial game being so prominent makes it tough to enjoy games. sure stats are all up, but it just means the bar has been raised on what's impressive nowadays. as long as people keep that in mind when comparing QBs of old to current QBs...i don't see the problem. still entertaining and still a thing of beauty when QBs slice up a defense.
and i know people think the game is being driven toward a focus on passing because it's sexier than watching a team run the ball 30 times a game, but is it really that much less entertaining? you still watch every sunday...from morning till night.
Well the 2012 Patriots were 4th in the NFL in pass attempts and were 2nd in the NFL in rushing attempts.
sports evolve...eventually we'll cycle back to ground and pound (i think - although with the position of QB evolving the way it is, who knows if it'll ever be power-I and run it down your throats again). i don't understand why the aerial game being so prominent makes it tough to enjoy games. sure stats are all up, but it just means the bar has been raised on what's impressive nowadays. as long as people keep that in mind when comparing QBs of old to current QBs...i don't see the problem. still entertaining and still a thing of beauty when QBs slice up a defense.
and i know people think the game is being driven toward a focus on passing because it's sexier than watching a team run the ball 30 times a game, but is it really that much less entertaining? you still watch every sunday...from morning till night.
My dislike of today's game doesn't come from lack of running necessarily. It is more a result of all of the rules that punish defenders and protect QBs. I hate that DBs are so handcuffed and not allowed to play their position like I think they should. QBs don't slice up defenses because they are better than years past. It is because the rules today essentially guarantee it. I'd much rather only have the elite QBs be the ones getting 3k yards. The death of the running game is simply an unintended consequence of the rules
sports evolve...eventually we'll cycle back to ground and pound (i think - although with the position of QB evolving the way it is, who knows if it'll ever be power-I and run it down your throats again). i don't understand why the aerial game being so prominent makes it tough to enjoy games. sure stats are all up, but it just means the bar has been raised on what's impressive nowadays. as long as people keep that in mind when comparing QBs of old to current QBs...i don't see the problem. still entertaining and still a thing of beauty when QBs slice up a defense.
and i know people think the game is being driven toward a focus on passing because it's sexier than watching a team run the ball 30 times a game, but is it really that much less entertaining? you still watch every sunday...from morning till night.
My dislike of today's game doesn't come from lack of running necessarily. It is more a result of all of the rules that punish defenders and protect QBs. I hate that DBs are so handcuffed and not allowed to play their position like I think they should. QBs don't slice up defenses because they are better than years past. It is because the rules today essentially guarantee it. I'd much rather only have the elite QBs be the ones getting 3k yards. The death of the running game is simply an unintended consequence of the rules
Agreed. The rules today suck. The fantasy football era.