NT School me on Ohio vol: is it that bad?

[sangalang]

^i agree with most of dwele's post, but the weather isn't that bad.

as far as animal thug's post, just skimming through the list, most of those things are in the past. what has ohio done recently?

i've lived in ohio for almost 9 years now and i've warmed up to it slightly... but i've never felt it was a great place.

these are just my observations from living here

ohio does have a lot of universities (decent-very good ones) such as ohio state, case, kenyon, denison, oberlin, miami university, xavier, university of cincinnati, ohio university

strong indian population, weak east/southeast asian population

strong black population, as well as a decent african population.

lots of european ancestry in certain parts, german and irish in particular (in columbus at least)

lots of companies are headquartered in ohio, primarily in cincinnati and columbus. macy's, fifth third bank, kroger, the limited, cintas are some of these companies.

my opinion, avoid ohio unless you have some reason you want to be here ie. family.

 

[dwele farooq al suleed afzul]

Rubber?! baskets?! police?! cars?! electricity? traffic lights?! That's it, I'm moving there right now * puts house on market *

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The city of Cleveland has had a colorful history. The Cuyahoga River, which runs through the city, famously caught fire in 1969 thanks to rampant pollution, and it wasn't the first time. In 1978 it became the first U.S. city to default on its debts since the Great Depression. Cleveland sports fans have had to endure more anguish than those in any other city. The city has been dubbed with a less than endearing nickname: the Mistake by the Lake.

This year Cleveland takes the top spot in our third annual ranking of America's Most Miserable Cities. Cleveland secured the position thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams (Cavaliers of the NBA excepted).
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Slide Show: America's 20 Most Miserable Cities
Video: Stockton's Makeover

Misery was on the rise around the country last year. Sure the stock market was up big, but so were unemployment, foreclosures and bankruptcy filings. Meanwhile housing prices, the U.S. dollar and approval ratings for Congress continued their downward spiral.

The widely tracked Misery Index initiated by economist Arthur Okun, which combines unemployment and inflation rates started 2009 at 7.3 and rose to 12.7 by the end of the year thanks to soaring joblessness. That is the highest level since 1983.

Our Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, as well as eight other issues that cause people anguish. The metrics include taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge weather and Superfund pollution sites. Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.
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We expanded the list of cities under consideration this year to include the 200 largest metropolitan statistical areas (in years past we've examined 150), which led to a shuffling in the ranks. Any area with a population of more than 245,000 was eligible.

Cleveland nabbed the top spot as a result of poor ratings across the board. It was the only city that fell in the bottom half of the rankings in all nine categories. Many residents are heading for greener pastures. There has been a net migration out of the Cleveland metro area of 71,000 people over the past five years. Population for the city itself has been on a steady decline and is now less than half of it what it was 50 years ago.

Cleveland ranked near the bottom when looking at corruption. Northern Ohio has seen 309 public officials convicted of crimes over the past 10 years according to the Justice Department. A current FBI investigation of public officials in Cuyahoga County (where Cleveland is located) has ensnared more than two dozen government employees and businessmen on charges including bribery, fraud and tax evasion.

On the housing front Cleveland is dealing with thousands of abandoned homes. The city contributed to its foreclosure problem by providing down payments to many people that could not afford homes through the federally funded Afford-A-Home program. Cleveland led by Mayor Frank Jackson sued 21 large investment banks in 2008 who he felt were complicit in the subprime and foreclosure crisis that hit Cleveland hard. A federal judge dismissed the suit last year, but the city is appealing the ruling.

A 19% decline in foreclosures last year is possibly a glimmer of hope that the housing situation is starting to improve, although Cleveland still ranks in the top third of all metros for foreclosure rates according to RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed property. Cleveland and Cuyahoga County were awarded $41 million last month from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This money will go towards demolition of homes, foreclosure prevention and the rehabilitation of homes.
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There are certainly bright spots in Cleveland. Downtown has experienced a revival over the past 15 years helped in part by the construction of three new sports venues for the city's NFL, NBA and baseball teams. The Cleveland Clinic is one of the top medical centers in the U.S. and the largest employer in northeast Ohio.

Mayor Jackson's chief of staff Ken Silliman calls 2010 a very exciting year for Cleveland. He points to three projects in development for the city. The first is the Cleveland Medical Mart which is a convention center that targets the medical and health care industries. Next is a casino plan. In November Ohio voters approved casinos in four cities, and Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert is leading a group that hopes to have a Cleveland casino up and running in three years. Lastly is the Flats East Bank project, which ran into funding issues during the financial crisis. The waterfront development will include an office tower, hotel and space for retail and dining.

"Clevelanders over the years have developed a tenacity to deal with these kinds of situations, and we are very aggressive in attempting to solve our problems rather than awaiting someone else's solutions," says Silliman.

Other cities on the list include Memphis, which came in third thanks to the second-worst rate of violent crime in the U.S. and an alarming rate of convicted public officials. Detroit, ravaged by the ailing auto industry was fourth. Flint, Mich., was fifth. Also on the list? Chicago (No. 10) and New York City (No. 16). Torturous commute times and nosebleed-inducing taxes are the high prices locals pay for the cultural opportunities and corporate headquarters located there.
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Our most miserable city last year, Stockton, Calif., nabbed the second spot on this year's list. Unemployment and crime continue to be major issues. Stockton ranked seventh worst in both of these areas. Stockton residents have average commutes that are among the highest in the country and, like all Californians, they suffer from onerous sales and income taxes.

Stockton Mayor Ann Johnston says the city is working to fix its problems. It has seen a reduction in crime in recent months as it targets troubled areas with an increased police presence. On the economic front, the city recently expanded the Port of Stockton, which it hopes will attract new companies. Stockton is an agricultural community, but the Mayor says the city is working to diversify its economic base and echoes Silliman's comments about Cleveland. "We're an All-American city," says Mayor Johnston. "And it's not because we sit on our hands and do nothing. It's because we recognize our problems and work to solve them."

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Cleveland mounts a defense against 'most miserable city' label with online beachhead
By Michael K. McIntyre
February 24, 2010, 2:56PM

cleveland-skyline.jpgView full sizePlain Dealer fileForbes magazine may find this place miserable, but a lot of Cleveland folks have found a way to counteract the bad PR with a new, funny Web site.CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Everyone knows misery loves company, so Positively Cleveland, the tourism folks for what Forbes.com calls America's most miserable city, has created a place for all of us miserable Clevelanders to gather on the Internet.

But whattheforbes.com is not a cyber bunker to shield us from the slings and arrows of outrageous list-makers. The site, which went live Wednesday, is more like a beachhead in a battle for Cleveland' s pride, where poor souls -- if we can muster the courage to drag ourselves out of bed to face this bleak existence -- can fight back with videos, photos and comments. There are also contests with prizes that encourage Northeast Ohoians to bring a friend to town to share in the misery of world-class food, shopping, entertainment and sporting events.

The improv comedy troupe Something Dada got things started on the site with a video detailing the source of all of our woe: Too many professional sports teams to keep track of; "commutes so easy, you don't have time to multitask"; health systems so good they're creating "angry apple peddlers"; live entertainment so plentiful we miss out on the "limited release" of bad Hollywood movies; and kids who have to spend their weekends having fun and learning at venues such as the Cleveland Metroparks Zoo and the Great Lakes Science Center.

"We received these e-mails, voicemails and blog links from locals who were up in arms about the 'miserable city' thing," said Positively Cleveland's Samantha Fryberger. "There was no common place to vent. This is a place to say, 'The list is wrong. And here's why.' "

The Web site, which gives new meaning to the text shorthand %$%? (the original, we can't print), contains links to Facebook pages with such names as"NO THANKS, Forbes Magazine" and "I don't care what Forbes magazine says I LOVE CLEVELAND!"

There also will be links to Cleveland-centric blogs and a place for folks to upload or link to videos, photos and comments. Twitter users who include the tag #HappyinCLE+ in their tweets will see their comments on the site as well. Three random winners (you must register your info to post) will be chosen March 11 to receive awesome prize packages.

By the time this is over, Clevelanders could top another Forbes list: Most fiercely loyal.

 

[dwele farooq al suleed afzul]

Rubber?! baskets?! police?! cars?! electricity? traffic lights?! That's it, I'm moving there right now * puts house on market *

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The city of Cleveland has had a colorful history. The Cuyahoga River, which runs through the city, famously caught fire in 1969 thanks to rampant pollution, and it wasn't the first time. In 1978 it became the first U.S. city to default on its debts since the Great Depression. Cleveland sports fans have had to endure more anguish than those in any other city. The city has been dubbed with a less than endearing nickname: the Mistake by the Lake.

This year Cleveland takes the top spot in our third annual ranking of America's Most Miserable Cities. Cleveland secured the position thanks to its high unemployment, high taxes, lousy weather, corruption by public officials and crummy sports teams (Cavaliers of the NBA excepted).
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The widely tracked Misery Index initiated by economist Arthur Okun, which combines unemployment and inflation rates started 2009 at 7.3 and rose to 12.7 by the end of the year thanks to soaring joblessness. That is the highest level since 1983.

Our Misery Measure takes into account unemployment, as well as eight other issues that cause people anguish. The metrics include taxes (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past two years. We also factored in two indexes put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that gauge weather and Superfund pollution sites. Lastly we considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each area as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice.
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We expanded the list of cities under consideration this year to include the 200 largest metropolitan statistical areas (in years past we've examined 150), which led to a shuffling in the ranks. Any area with a population of more than 245,000 was eligible.

Cleveland nabbed the top spot as a result of poor ratings across the board. It was the only city that fell in the bottom half of the rankings in all nine categories. Many residents are heading for greener pastures. There has been a net migration out of the Cleveland metro area of 71,000 people over the past five years. Population for the city itself has been on a steady decline and is now less than half of it what it was 50 years ago.

Cleveland ranked near the bottom when looking at corruption. Northern Ohio has seen 309 public officials convicted of crimes over the past 10 years according to the Justice Department. A current FBI investigation of public officials in Cuyahoga County (where Cleveland is located) has ensnared more than two dozen government employees and businessmen on charges including bribery, fraud and tax evasion.

On the housing front Cleveland is dealing with thousands of abandoned homes. The city contributed to its foreclosure problem by providing down payments to many people that could not afford homes through the federally funded Afford-A-Home program. Cleveland led by Mayor Frank Jackson sued 21 large investment banks in 2008 who he felt were complicit in the subprime and foreclosure crisis that hit Cleveland hard. A federal judge dismissed the suit last year, but the city is appealing the ruling.

A 19% decline in foreclosures last year is possibly a glimmer of hope that the housing situation is starting to improve, although Cleveland still ranks in the top third of all metros for foreclosure rates according to RealtyTrac, an online marketer of foreclosed property. Cleveland and Cuyahoga County were awarded $41 million last month from the Department of Housing and Urban Development. This money will go towards demolition of homes, foreclosure prevention and the rehabilitation of homes.
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There are certainly bright spots in Cleveland. Downtown has experienced a revival over the past 15 years helped in part by the construction of three new sports venues for the city's NFL, NBA and baseball teams. The Cleveland Clinic is one of the top medical centers in the U.S. and the largest employer in northeast Ohio.

Mayor Jackson's chief of staff Ken Silliman calls 2010 a very exciting year for Cleveland. He points to three projects in development for the city. The first is the Cleveland Medical Mart which is a convention center that targets the medical and health care industries. Next is a casino plan. In November Ohio voters approved casinos in four cities, and Cavaliers owner Dan Gilbert is leading a group that hopes to have a Cleveland casino up and running in three years. Lastly is the Flats East Bank project, which ran into funding issues during the financial crisis. The waterfront development will include an office tower, hotel and space for retail and dining.

"Clevelanders over the years have developed a tenacity to deal with these kinds of situations, and we are very aggressive in attempting to solve our problems rather than awaiting someone else's solutions," says Silliman.

Other cities on the list include Memphis, which came in third thanks to the second-worst rate of violent crime in the U.S. and an alarming rate of convicted public officials. Detroit, ravaged by the ailing auto industry was fourth. Flint, Mich., was fifth. Also on the list? Chicago (No. 10) and New York City (No. 16). Torturous commute times and nosebleed-inducing taxes are the high prices locals pay for the cultural opportunities and corporate headquarters located there.
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Our most miserable city last year, Stockton, Calif., nabbed the second spot on this year's list. Unemployment and crime continue to be major issues. Stockton ranked seventh worst in both of these areas. Stockton residents have average commutes that are among the highest in the country and, like all Californians, they suffer from onerous sales and income taxes.

Stockton Mayor Ann Johnston says the city is working to fix its problems. It has seen a reduction in crime in recent months as it targets troubled areas with an increased police presence. On the economic front, the city recently expanded the Port of Stockton, which it hopes will attract new companies. Stockton is an agricultural community, but the Mayor says the city is working to diversify its economic base and echoes Silliman's comments about Cleveland. "We're an All-American city," says Mayor Johnston. "And it's not because we sit on our hands and do nothing. It's because we recognize our problems and work to solve them."

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Cleveland mounts a defense against 'most miserable city' label with online beachhead
By Michael K. McIntyre
February 24, 2010, 2:56PM

cleveland-skyline.jpgView full sizePlain Dealer fileForbes magazine may find this place miserable, but a lot of Cleveland folks have found a way to counteract the bad PR with a new, funny Web site.CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Everyone knows misery loves company, so Positively Cleveland, the tourism folks for what Forbes.com calls America's most miserable city, has created a place for all of us miserable Clevelanders to gather on the Internet.

But whattheforbes.com is not a cyber bunker to shield us from the slings and arrows of outrageous list-makers. The site, which went live Wednesday, is more like a beachhead in a battle for Cleveland' s pride, where poor souls -- if we can muster the courage to drag ourselves out of bed to face this bleak existence -- can fight back with videos, photos and comments. There are also contests with prizes that encourage Northeast Ohoians to bring a friend to town to share in the misery of world-class food, shopping, entertainment and sporting events.

The improv comedy troupe Something Dada got things started on the site with a video detailing the source of all of our woe: Too many professional sports teams to keep track of; "commutes so easy, you don't have time to multitask"; health systems so good they're creating "angry apple peddlers"; live entertainment so plentiful we miss out on the "limited release" of bad Hollywood movies; and kids who have to spend their weekends having fun and learning at venues such as the Cleveland Metroparks Zoo and the Great Lakes Science Center.

"We received these e-mails, voicemails and blog links from locals who were up in arms about the 'miserable city' thing," said Positively Cleveland's Samantha Fryberger. "There was no common place to vent. This is a place to say, 'The list is wrong. And here's why.' "

The Web site, which gives new meaning to the text shorthand %$%? (the original, we can't print), contains links to Facebook pages with such names as"NO THANKS, Forbes Magazine" and "I don't care what Forbes magazine says I LOVE CLEVELAND!"

There also will be links to Cleveland-centric blogs and a place for folks to upload or link to videos, photos and comments. Twitter users who include the tag #HappyinCLE+ in their tweets will see their comments on the site as well. Three random winners (you must register your info to post) will be chosen March 11 to receive awesome prize packages.

By the time this is over, Clevelanders could top another Forbes list: Most fiercely loyal.

 

[withapassion]

not to mention a PLETHORA of astronauts, david fostter wallace from ohio? i know he went to amherst.

 

[withapassion]

not to mention a PLETHORA of astronauts, david fostter wallace from ohio? i know he went to amherst.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Ohio is a city?

 

[bijald0331]

^Suburb.

 

[shaunhillftw49]

Ohio is a city?

 

[bijald0331]

^Suburb.

 

[Animal Thug]

[h2]Cleveland, Detroit Posting Fast Economic Rebounds[/h2]
A new report from the Brookings Institution shows that greater Detroit and Cleveland are recovering faster from the recession than most U.S. cities.

According to the report, Cleveland ranked 10th among 50 metro areas for productivity increases and job growth and near the top third in 150 global metro regions.

“U.S. metros that suffered severe economic declines during the recession, such as Detroit and Cleveland, posted significant rebounds . . . even as metros such as Atlanta and Las Vegas await a stronger recovery,

 

[Animal Thug]

[h2]Cleveland, Detroit Posting Fast Economic Rebounds[/h2]
A new report from the Brookings Institution shows that greater Detroit and Cleveland are recovering faster from the recession than most U.S. cities.

According to the report, Cleveland ranked 10th among 50 metro areas for productivity increases and job growth and near the top third in 150 global metro regions.

“U.S. metros that suffered severe economic declines during the recession, such as Detroit and Cleveland, posted significant rebounds . . . even as metros such as Atlanta and Las Vegas await a stronger recovery,

 

[kingsuperbiv]

Columbus Ohio suburbs is real nice and OSU campus area is. Lots of bars and drunk women. I was never without a women when I went to school there.

But the dudes there in Columbus is Grimey like Detroit cats, but since I was from Detroit I was street smart and can see through set ups and bad situation and all.

Also Columbus dudes loves to handcuff there so called women. I got in plenty of fights over that stuff. One time in bar, i was dancing with a chick she was all up on me, dudes was starting talking to his boys and he come up to me like thats my girl, quit dancing with her. I held my place and she was still dancing on me and told him I'm not your girl get out here.. Anyway dude was still in my face. I cocked back my fist and connected to his bottom jaw and he flew to the ground, then his boys rushed me and I was hanging for a minute, then my friend I came with came over and help. Security came and took us to the back room. Dude was holding his jaw spitting up blood talkign about he hit me for no reason. Anyway they let them leave first then escorted me and my friend out 5 min later. I straight thought we was gonna get ambushed in the parking lot with guns


This was at fat jacks off Sullivant road

 

[kingsuperbiv]

Columbus Ohio suburbs is real nice and OSU campus area is. Lots of bars and drunk women. I was never without a women when I went to school there.

But the dudes there in Columbus is Grimey like Detroit cats, but since I was from Detroit I was street smart and can see through set ups and bad situation and all.

Also Columbus dudes loves to handcuff there so called women. I got in plenty of fights over that stuff. One time in bar, i was dancing with a chick she was all up on me, dudes was starting talking to his boys and he come up to me like thats my girl, quit dancing with her. I held my place and she was still dancing on me and told him I'm not your girl get out here.. Anyway dude was still in my face. I cocked back my fist and connected to his bottom jaw and he flew to the ground, then his boys rushed me and I was hanging for a minute, then my friend I came with came over and help. Security came and took us to the back room. Dude was holding his jaw spitting up blood talkign about he hit me for no reason. Anyway they let them leave first then escorted me and my friend out 5 min later. I straight thought we was gonna get ambushed in the parking lot with guns


This was at fat jacks off Sullivant road

 

[kiddin like jason]

Rubber?! baskets?! police?! cars?! electricity? traffic lights?! That'sit, I'm moving there right now * puts house on market *
That's not really the point, my short-sighted friend.

Another one of these threads, mostly devoid of substance? Yawn.

We're on the way up, and we were never as down as your delusions-for-humor suggested, anyway.

 

[kiddin like jason]

Rubber?! baskets?! police?! cars?! electricity? traffic lights?! That'sit, I'm moving there right now * puts house on market *
That's not really the point, my short-sighted friend.

Another one of these threads, mostly devoid of substance? Yawn.

We're on the way up, and we were never as down as your delusions-for-humor suggested, anyway.

 

[napoleon]

 

[napoleon]

 

[dwele farooq al suleed afzul]

Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason

Rubber?! baskets?! police?! cars?! electricity? traffic lights?! That'sit, I'm moving there right now * puts house on market *

That's not really the point, my short-sighted friend.

Another one of these threads, mostly devoid of substance? Yawn.

We're on the way up, and we were never as down as your delusions-for-humor suggested, anyway.
Really?

http://dcjobsource.com/richest.html

http://hiphopwired.com/20...cities-in-the-usa-30097/

Ain't nothing rebounding in Cleveland or Detroit anytime soon but Ben Wallace and Anderson Varajeo.

 

[dwele farooq al suleed afzul]

Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason

Rubber?! baskets?! police?! cars?! electricity? traffic lights?! That'sit, I'm moving there right now * puts house on market *

That's not really the point, my short-sighted friend.

Another one of these threads, mostly devoid of substance? Yawn.

We're on the way up, and we were never as down as your delusions-for-humor suggested, anyway.
Really?

http://dcjobsource.com/richest.html

http://hiphopwired.com/20...cities-in-the-usa-30097/

Ain't nothing rebounding in Cleveland or Detroit anytime soon but Ben Wallace and Anderson Varajeo.

 

[Animal Thug]

Dwele Farooq Al Suleed Afzul wrote:

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DatzNasty? Is that you?  

..you miserable piece of thing you..

 

[Animal Thug]

Dwele Farooq Al Suleed Afzul wrote:

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DatzNasty? Is that you?  

..you miserable piece of thing you..

 

[o fenomeno]

it seems to me that anytime there is a news article about something very shocking/embarrassing/disgusting/shameful/ignorant, 80 percent of the time it happens in Ohio.

 

[jdcurt2]

Originally Posted by Dwele Farooq Al Suleed Afzul



Sports teams never won a title in the last 46 yrs

Doesn't the Big Red Machine and the 1990 Reds count?

 

[jdcurt2]

Originally Posted by Dwele Farooq Al Suleed Afzul



Sports teams never won a title in the last 46 yrs

Doesn't the Big Red Machine and the 1990 Reds count?

 

[o fenomeno]

it seems to me that anytime there is a news article about something very shocking/embarrassing/disgusting/shameful/ignorant, 80 percent of the time it happens in Ohio.