NT: Why isn't Wilt considered the greatest?

[johnnyredstorm]

For starters very few people could guard him based on his size alone.

 

[JAYxSF415]

So my friend and I were talking about stats and such and he brought up how Wilt's stats were just AMAZING. So that had me thinking, why isn't WiltChamberlain considered the greatest basketball player of all time?

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Regular Season
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(* led league; ** tied for league lead)
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Year
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Team
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G
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Min.
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FGM
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FGA
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Pct.
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FTM
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FTA
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Pct.
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Reb.
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Ast.
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PF
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D
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Pts.
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RPG
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APG
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PPG
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59-60
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Phil.
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72
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**3338
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*1065
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*2311
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.461
[/td] [td]
577
[/td] [td]
*991
[/td] [td]
.582
[/td] [td]
*1941
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168
[/td] [td]
150
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*2707
[/td] [td]
*27.0
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2.3
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*37.6
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60-61
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Phil.
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79
[/td] [td]
*3773
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*1251
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*2457
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*.509
[/td] [td]
531
[/td] [td]
*1054
[/td] [td]
.504
[/td] [td]
*2149
[/td] [td]
148
[/td] [td]
130
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*3033
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*27.2
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1.9
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*38.4
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61-62
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Phil.
[/td] [td]
80
[/td] [td]
*3882
[/td] [td]
*1597
[/td] [td]
*3159
[/td] [td]
.506
[/td] [td]
*835
[/td] [td]
*1363
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.613
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*2052
[/td] [td]
192
[/td] [td]
123
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*4029
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*25.7
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2.4
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*50.4
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62-63
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S.F.
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80
[/td] [td]
*3806
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*1463
[/td] [td]
*2770
[/td] [td]
*.528
[/td] [td]
660
[/td] [td]
*1113
[/td] [td]
.593
[/td] [td]
*1946
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275
[/td] [td]
136
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*3586
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*24.3
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3.4
[/td] [td]
*44.8
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63-64
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S.F.
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80
[/td] [td]
*3689
[/td] [td]
*1204
[/td] [td]
*2298
[/td] [td]
.524
[/td] [td]
540
[/td] [td]
*1016
[/td] [td]
.532
[/td] [td]
1787
[/td] [td]
403
[/td] [td]
182
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*2948
[/td] [td]
22.3
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5
[/td] [td]
*36.9
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64-65
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S.F.-Phil.
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73
[/td] [td]
3301
[/td] [td]
*1063
[/td] [td]
*2083
[/td] [td]
*.510
[/td] [td]
408
[/td] [td]
*880
[/td] [td]
.464
[/td] [td]
1673
[/td] [td]
250
[/td] [td]
146
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*2534
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22.9
[/td] [td]
3.4
[/td] [td]
*34.7
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65-66
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Phil.
[/td] [td]
79
[/td] [td]
*3737
[/td] [td]
*1074
[/td] [td]
*1990
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*.540
[/td] [td]
501
[/td] [td]
976
[/td] [td]
.513
[/td] [td]
*1943
[/td] [td]
414
[/td] [td]
171
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*2649
[/td] [td]
*24.6
[/td] [td]
5.2
[/td] [td]
*33.5
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66-67
[/td] [td]
Phil.
[/td] [td]
81
[/td] [td]
*3682
[/td] [td]
785
[/td] [td]
1150
[/td] [td]
*.683
[/td] [td]
386
[/td] [td]
*875
[/td] [td]
.441
[/td] [td]
*1957
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630
[/td] [td]
143
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
1956
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*24.2
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7.8
[/td] [td]
24.1
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67-68
[/td] [td]
Phil.
[/td] [td]
82
[/td] [td]
*3836
[/td] [td]
819
[/td] [td]
1377
[/td] [td]
*.595
[/td] [td]
354
[/td] [td]
*932
[/td] [td]
.38
[/td] [td]
*1952
[/td] [td]
*702
[/td] [td]
160
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
1992
[/td] [td]
*23.8
[/td] [td]
8.6
[/td] [td]
24.3
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68-69
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L.A.
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81
[/td] [td]
3669
[/td] [td]
641
[/td] [td]
1099
[/td] [td]
*.583
[/td] [td]
382
[/td] [td]
*857
[/td] [td]
.446
[/td] [td]
*1712
[/td] [td]
366
[/td] [td]
142
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
1664
[/td] [td]
*21.1
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4.5
[/td] [td]
20.5
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69-70
[/td] [td]
L.A.
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12
[/td] [td]
505
[/td] [td]
129
[/td] [td]
227
[/td] [td]
.568
[/td] [td]
70
[/td] [td]
157
[/td] [td]
.446
[/td] [td]
221
[/td] [td]
49
[/td] [td]
31
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
328
[/td] [td]
18.4
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4.1
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27.3
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70-71
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L.A.
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82
[/td] [td]
3630
[/td] [td]
668
[/td] [td]
1226
[/td] [td]
.545
[/td] [td]
360
[/td] [td]
669
[/td] [td]
.538
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*1493
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352
[/td] [td]
174
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0
[/td] [td]
1696
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*18.2
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4.3
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20.7
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71-72
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L.A.
[/td] [td]
82
[/td] [td]
3469
[/td] [td]
496
[/td] [td]
764
[/td] [td]
*.649
[/td] [td]
221
[/td] [td]
524
[/td] [td]
.422
[/td] [td]
*1572
[/td] [td]
329
[/td] [td]
196
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
1213
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*19.2
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4
[/td] [td]
14.8
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72-73
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L.A.
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82
[/td] [td]
3542
[/td] [td]
426
[/td] [td]
586
[/td] [td]
*.727
[/td] [td]
232
[/td] [td]
455
[/td] [td]
.510
[/td] [td]
*1526
[/td] [td]
365
[/td] [td]
191
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
1084
[/td] [td]
*18.6
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4.5
[/td] [td]
13.2
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Totals
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1045
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47859
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12681
[/td] [td]
23497
[/td] [td]
.540
[/td] [td]
6057
[/td] [td]
11862
[/td] [td]
.511
[/td] [td]
23924
[/td] [td]
4643
[/td] [td]
2075
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
31419
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22.9
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4.4
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30.1
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50 points a game? 27 rebounds a game?

 

[lakersmets49ers]

because bill russell made wilt his personal girlfriend come playoff time year in year out.

 

[jose cansec0]

becuase of michael jordan....you obviously know that so why even take the time to make this post?

 

[jville819]

Rings

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Originally Posted by lakersmets49ers

because bill russell made wilt his personal girlfriend come playoff time year in year out.

You believe this? Seriously NBA history knowledge lackingmajor on NT. Wilt destroyed anyone who faced him, including Russel the only thing Russel did was stop him from scoring 50...sometimes.

Wilt has just as much claim to the GOAT title as anyone else.


Dwight Howard can average 20 points a game with no decipherable post game other than a decent spin move and baby hook. Now take Wilt 7'1 by all accountsmore athletic, than Dwight, apparently had a 46 inch vert, a former college hurdler (AT 7'1

), long jumper and higher jumper. Now add in the skill set great passer, highbasketball IQ, great post game, hook shots, fade aways, finger rolls and probably the strongest player and the hardest worker in NBA history.

Wilt might be the greatest pure ATHLETE to ever play anything.

This forums is so 90's centric, no knowledge of what came before you.

 

[arrjae]

i knew he put up big numbers, but not this big....

 

[japanair21]

Because the ear he played in wasn't as dominant as era's like the late 70's, 80's, and 90s.

 

[dland24]

7'1 with a 46 vertical?

 

[osh kosh bosh]

If you couldn't tell Chamberlain was strong, fast and agile from his basketball playing, you could look to his track and field performances. As a prep, he set Pennsylvania state records in the shot put and the 110-meter hurdles, and his scholarship to Kansas was for both basketball and track. He earned the track portion by winning three straight Big Eight high jump titles.

After he retired from basketball, the Dipper transformed himself into a world-class volleyball player. For fun, he ran marathons. He also turned down offers to play pro football and box professionally

 

[ballinboykz]

Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by lakersmets49ers

because bill russell made wilt his personal girlfriend come playoff time year in year out.

You believe this? Seriously NBA history knowledge lacking major on NT. Wilt destroyed anyone who faced him, including Russel the only thing Russel did was stop him from scoring 50...sometimes.

Wilt has just as much claim to the GOAT title as anyone else.


Dwight Howard can average 20 points a game with no decipherable post game other than a decent spin move and baby hook. Now take Wilt 7'1 by all accounts more athletic, than Dwight, apparently had a 46 inch vert, a former college hurdler (AT 7'1

), long jumper and higher jumper. Now add in the skill set great passer, high basketball IQ, great post game, hook shots, fade aways, finger rolls and probably the strongest player and the hardest worker in NBA history.

Wilt might be the greatest pure ATHLETE to ever play anything.

This forums is so 90's centric, no knowledge of what came before you.

/thread

 

[pdoggy85]

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This dude might has well have been a 7'1 Jim Thorpe.

 

[antbanks81]

Originally Posted by pdoggy85

 

[antoekneeo]

Some consider him the G.O.A.T already. No one will ever dominate the game he did. I think it is difficult and foolish to argue who is the G.O.A.T when none ofus here seen Wilt, Russell, Robertson (to name a few) play in their primes. All we have to go on is highlights, statistics, the opinion of fathers, uncles,grandfathers, basketball "experts" and others. Perhaps the argument (s) should be re-framed as, who is the greatest player you have had theopportunity to see play.

 

[avitale8]

if i'm not mistaken,weren't the average centers back then like 6'5?

 

[memphisboi55]

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61-62
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Phil.
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80
[/td] [td]
*3882
[/td] [td]
*1597
[/td] [td]
*3159
[/td] [td]
.506
[/td] [td]
*835
[/td] [td]
*1363
[/td] [td]
.613
[/td] [td]
*2052
[/td] [td]
192
[/td] [td]
123
[/td] [td]
0
[/td] [td]
*4029
[/td] [td]
*25.7
[/td] [td]
2.4
[/td] [td]
*50.4


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[solefob]

Originally Posted by avitale8

if i'm not mistaken,weren't the average centers back then like 6'5?

I was just about to post that when I saw this topic.
Much easier to dominate guys that size when you're over 7 feet tall. Not saying he wasn't great, but not the all time best

 

[supafly122]

50ppg and 26rpg?
Look like he was playing against 3rd graders

 

[youngtriz]

who was he playing against all those years?? what did the competition look like???.. i can probably bet that there wasnt any real defensive minded type playersback then... or any dudes that where even close to his size... like someone else said... the average center back then was 6'5???

 

[japanair21]

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

who was he playing against all those years?? what did the competition look like???.. i can probably bet that there wasnt any real defensive minded type players back then... or any dudes that where even close to his size... like someone else said... the average center back then was 6'5???

Exactly my point, I'd like to see him go up against Kareem, Hakeem, young Shaq, and GOOD centers night in and night out.

Name me three good centers that were around when Wilt dominated.

Please.

 

[bchimcuter]

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by YoungTriz

who was he playing against all those years?? what did the competition look like???.. i can probably bet that there wasnt any real defensive minded type players back then... or any dudes that where even close to his size... like someone else said... the average center back then was 6'5???

Exactly my point, I'd like to see him go up against Kareem, Hakeem, young Shaq, and GOOD centers night in and night out.

Name me three good centers that were around when Wilt dominated.

Please.

russell, walt bellamy , nate thurmond, jerry lucas, willis reed, wes unsled were all hof big men who played during his era and im probably missing a few. notto mention there were only 10-14 teams in the league at the time he would face them on a consistent basis and the teams were not diluted talent wise like theyare today.

 

[kash55]

His numbers are TOO crazy. It's true.

 

[dako akong otin]

Wilt was a beast in life not just the hardwood. 50ppg 100 pts, 46"vert (i didn't know that), all the women he slept with... dude lived life to thefullest

 

[pacmagic2002]

back in the 60`s and 70`s........Defense wasnt what it is now and players arent the same physically.

Look at pictures of players back then and look at the players now.......More muscle and a bit more athleticism all the way around.

hell, look at the early 90`s and look at the players now, you can still see a difference.

60`-70`s ---- Team play + good play running and following directions to a T reigned supreme (wilt was bigger than anybody, nobody knew how to guardhim.....thats why he scored 50 points a game and collected 25+ rebounds per game.

80`s-90`s ---- Big time outside shooters and a balanced attack all the way around reigned supreme

2000 - current ---- Total disregard for all rules regarding team play, more of a "me" or "my" type of look in the league. Defense is notrequired half the time if you can score allot of points (Pistons are an exception)