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Originally Posted by ayejreeun

Picked up my first handgun the other day.  Went with the Glock 19 gear package (3-10 round mags w/ range bag)
Shooting wise, I'm grouping, but slightly low and to the left.  My coworkers say I'm compensating for recoil.  Thoughts nt?
My shooting forte is more on AR's and I have little to no shooting experience with handguns.
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You could be compensating for recoil. the recoil on a 9mm shouldn't alter your accuracy that much. Try aiming slightly lower where u want to hit and relax your shoulders; don't choke up so much
I went to my first gun show yesterday and I enjoyed the exp but was expecting some better deals than what I seen. I was looking to get either the Ruger LC 9 or the S&W Bodyguard.  After holding both, and getting familiar with them, the Ruger is definitely my next purchase. The slide on the Bodyguard turned me off, it wasnt one smooth motion but sort of a 2pt sliding; no bueno. 
 
This will be a totally unscientific observation here...but an observation I have made throughout my years dealing with the various elements of the military...mostly the in the Spec Op realm.



With my own two eyes I have seen more guys in the field who get to select their own loadouts with EOTECH. They can choose whatever they want...and I've seen the gamut, from Aimpoint, EOTECH, Elcan Specter DR (which is in my opinion the best optic out) and Trijicon ACOG. But I see them with EOTECH for the most part. The Army has a huge contract with Aimpoint to supply them with the CCO (close combat optic), so units that don't have a choice are fielded them. THe Marines have a contract with Trijicon so they all have ACOG's (Marines will start using them in bootcamp to qualify instead of iron sights).




Ok I got off topic, lol. Anyway overall the EOTECH is better optic IMO...it has both point and area capability. It's easier to hit a moving target with an EOTECH...just keep the target within the donut and you'll hit more often than not...for point applications you can use the center dot. The Eotech is VERY durable. The reticle is actually a reflected laser image...it's not actually on the glass you are looking through...this means that if your glass breaks the image can still be projected parallax free. Aimpoint is just a dot, while still effective you lose some capability, but I will admit it is a little less obscuring on your target as far as FOV. Battery life is better on the aimpoint, but the battery life on an EOTECH is still really good. It is not an issue as long as you make sure you are prepared. EOTECH's cowitness with the BUIS better IMO as well.




I'll say this though in all fairness...a good shooter is a good shooter with almost any aiming system, whether that be irons, or an optic setup. It basically just comes down to preference.
 
Today I'm flying for the first time with my weapon well at least on a regular airport type situation. It was real easy. All you have to do is separate your ammo from your weapon ( I put my ammo in a small cardboard box my Cologne came in and then into a mini plelican case), and you have to have a lockable case for your weapon. I just used the hard carry case my Sign came in and used two small combination locks.You go up to the counter agent and say " I want to declare a weapon to put in my stowed luggage" . The agent will ask if it is unloaded. You then say yes then she'll ask you to show her. CALMLY take your weapon out the case and show her a clear and empty chamber and may. She'lol then ask you to sign an unloaded firearm ticket. Then she'll put that in your guncase and then ask you to close and lock it then put it in your stowed luggage. They'll then escort you to the bag scanner and then you are one our way after they give you confirmation. It's too easy and took less than 10 minutes total.My CCW is valid in the states I am visiting so I can carry concealed even away fro Home. Just thought I'd let the guys in here who carry concealed about the process. It's TOTALLY legal as long as you follow the rules and know the gun laws at your destinations.
 
Sorry for the typos. I'm on my smartphone. Which thinks it's smarter than me with the autocorrect. Lol.BtW Cotite. I'll be back on Friday so it's still on for the gumshoe on Saturday. I'll call you my dude.
 
Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

This will be a totally unscientific observation here...but an observation I have made throughout my years dealing with the various elements of the military...mostly the in the Spec Op realm.



With my own two eyes I have seen more guys in the field who get to select their own loadouts with EOTECH. They can choose whatever they want...and I've seen the gamut, from Aimpoint, EOTECH, Elcan Specter DR (which is in my opinion the best optic out) and Trijicon ACOG. But I see them with EOTECH for the most part. The Army has a huge contract with Aimpoint to supply them with the CCO (close combat optic), so units that don't have a choice are fielded them. THe Marines have a contract with Trijicon so they all have ACOG's (Marines will start using them in bootcamp to qualify instead of iron sights).




Ok I got off topic, lol. Anyway overall the EOTECH is better optic IMO...it has both point and area capability. It's easier to hit a moving target with an EOTECH...just keep the target within the donut and you'll hit more often than not...for point applications you can use the center dot. The Eotech is VERY durable. The reticle is actually a reflected laser image...it's not actually on the glass you are looking through...this means that if your glass breaks the image can still be projected parallax free. Aimpoint is just a dot, while still effective you lose some capability, but I will admit it is a little less obscuring on your target as far as FOV. Battery life is better on the aimpoint, but the battery life on an EOTECH is still really good. It is not an issue as long as you make sure you are prepared. EOTECH's cowitness with the BUIS better IMO as well.




I'll say this though in all fairness...a good shooter is a good shooter with almost any aiming system, whether that be irons, or an optic setup. It basically just comes down to preference.
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In the year 2012 I agree with you 100%, 3-4 years ago I would not. You have to remember since the technology in Eotechs are much more advanced they saw lots of growing pains. The USMC issued a recall on them in 2008 I believe. There were lots of issue with the battery terminals draining the battery, disconnecting causing the optic to shut off while firing the weapon, or the batteries leaking in the housing. The Eotech 511/551 was so poor with batteries they discontinued it. 
The current crop of Eotech's, the XPS/EXPS series along with the 553/SU231 that USSOCOM uses, are all models I would have no problem carrying into harms way. They are also more versatile then Aimpoints. You can range targets with the reticle and they perform better with a magnifier. You just have to remember to change the batteries every once in awhile but you also have to remember to clean your weapon every once in a while too so the point is really moot. The main reason why Eotech is preferred above any other optic with SOF is their compatibility with night vision. Check it out yourself.  

Aimpoint



Eotech
 
Anyone have any experience with the Taurus Judge?
Any pros/cons versus a full size shotty? Im thinking it
might be better suited or home defense.
 
Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Today I'm flying for the first time with my weapon well at least on a regular airport type situation. It was real easy. All you have to do is separate your ammo from your weapon ( I put my ammo in a small cardboard box my Cologne came in and then into a mini plelican case), and you have to have a lockable case for your weapon. I just used the hard carry case my Sign came in and used two small combination locks.You go up to the counter agent and say " I want to declare a weapon to put in my stowed luggage" . The agent will ask if it is unloaded. You then say yes then she'll ask you to show her. CALMLY take your weapon out the case and show her a clear and empty chamber and may. She'lol then ask you to sign an unloaded firearm ticket. Then she'll put that in your guncase and then ask you to close and lock it then put it in your stowed luggage. They'll then escort you to the bag scanner and then you are one our way after they give you confirmation. It's too easy and took less than 10 minutes total.My CCW is valid in the states I am visiting so I can carry concealed even away fro Home. Just thought I'd let the guys in here who carry concealed about the process. It's TOTALLY legal as long as you follow the rules and know the gun laws at your destinations.
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Word? Good looks. I always feel uneasy when I go trips and don't have mine w/ me. Is there any literature on this? Though we practice policies, u can never be to sure w/ some ppl who have "authority"
And I was wondering why u wasnt typing in red.
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Also, do u guys w/ rifles ever feel that you will use them or anything for that matter? 
 
Originally Posted by Dathbgboy


Also, do u guys w/ rifles ever feel that you will use them or anything for that matter? 
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Better to have and not need than to need and not have. And I stress this to everybody that in a home defense situation it goes rifle>shotgun>pistol all the time. 
 
Honest question:


If the cops decide to randomly kick in your door, do you grab your weapon? Do you shoot?


What if they see your gun in your hand and dont take it so kindly and shoot first?
 
Originally Posted by AR Guy

Originally Posted by Dead Stokc

Anyone have any experience with the Taurus Judge?
Any pros/cons versus a full size shotty? Im thinking it
might be better suited or home defense.
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Box O' Truth about the Judge
Personally I would avoid it. For home defense it goes rifle>shotgun>pistol, always. 
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I would think that shotgun would go first in terms of home defense.  It's sheer stopping power and it being less likely to penetrate walls (collateral damage) would seem like a greater benefit than a rifle.  Shotguns are better for close quarters, no?
I'm a complete noob, so please enlighten me.
 
^Well first off you never, I repeat NEVER fire without ID'ing your target. If they bust in my house I'm creating a static defense in my room so they will have to come to be. By that time they should have announced themselves so, no I don't shoot.
 
Originally Posted by kiendienn

Originally Posted by AR Guy

Originally Posted by Dead Stokc

Anyone have any experience with the Taurus Judge?
Any pros/cons versus a full size shotty? Im thinking it
might be better suited or home defense.
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Box O' Truth about the Judge
Personally I would avoid it. For home defense it goes rifle>shotgun>pistol, always. 
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I would think that shotgun would go first in terms of home defense.  It's sheer stopping power and it being less likely to penetrate walls (collateral damage) would seem like a greater benefit than a rifle.  Shotguns are better for close quarters, no?
I'm a complete noob, so please enlighten me.
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Shotguns aren't bad but they don't beat out an AR in home defense. With shotguns a load that will reliable stop a threat are going to penetrate walls and the spread of buck shot is I believe, 1" for every 10 yards so you still need to aim. Also shotguns do in fact penetrate more than 5.56 rounds. The 5.56 round is light and fast so when it hits a barrier such as a room wall it will start to fragment, buck shot will keep going and anyone who advising using bird-shot is a dumb because bird-shot is for just that, birds. Also look at what your local SWAT team use when conducting a warrant. Hell look at what professional door kickers use when doing CQB, its always an AR style rifle. To me the perfect home defense rifle would be an 11.5" AR with a suppressor, light and a Eotech EXPS2-0 loaded with 75gr BTHP 5.56.
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Oh word, so you have to be 21 to have a handgun in Cali now? 
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Anyone know where I can purchase a throwaway gun from?
 
Originally Posted by Dathbgboy

Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

Today I'm flying for the first time with my weapon well at least on a regular airport type situation. It was real easy. All you have to do is separate your ammo from your weapon ( I put my ammo in a small cardboard box my Cologne came in and then into a mini plelican case), and you have to have a lockable case for your weapon. I just used the hard carry case my Sign came in and used two small combination locks.You go up to the counter agent and say " I want to declare a weapon to put in my stowed luggage" . The agent will ask if it is unloaded. You then say yes then she'll ask you to show her. CALMLY take your weapon out the case and show her a clear and empty chamber and may. She'lol then ask you to sign an unloaded firearm ticket. Then she'll put that in your guncase and then ask you to close and lock it then put it in your stowed luggage. They'll then escort you to the bag scanner and then you are one our way after they give you confirmation. It's too easy and took less than 10 minutes total.My CCW is valid in the states I am visiting so I can carry concealed even away fro Home. Just thought I'd let the guys in here who carry concealed about the process. It's TOTALLY legal as long as you follow the rules and know the gun laws at your destinations.
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Word? Good looks. I always feel uneasy when I go trips and don't have mine w/ me. Is there any literature on this? Though we practice policies, u can never be to sure w/ some ppl who have "authority"
And I was wondering why u wasnt typing in red.
laugh.gif


Also, do u guys w/ rifles ever feel that you will use them or anything for that matter? 
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Straight from TSA's website. I went right to the source instead of hearsay. http://www.tsa.gov/travel...tant/editorial_1666.shtm


Travelers may only transport unloaded firearms in a locked, hard-sided container in or as checked baggage. Firearms, ammunition and firearm parts, including firearm frames and receivers, are prohibited from carry-on baggage.

Failure to adhere to the following regulations will preclude passengers from traveling with firearms, ammunitions or firearm parts:
  • Travelers must declare all firearms to the airline during the ticket counter check-in process.
  • The firearm must be unloaded.
  • The firearm must be in a hard-sided container.
  • The container must be locked. A locked container is defined as one that completely secures the firearm from being accessed. Locked cases that can be pulled open with little effort cannot be brought aboard the aircraft.
  • If firearms are not properly declared or packaged, TSA will provide the bag to law enforcement for resolution with the airline. If the issue is resolved, law enforcement will release the bag to TSA so screening may be completed.
  • TSA must resolve all alarms of checked luggage. If a locked container containing a firearm alarms, TSA will contact the airline, who will make a reasonable attempt to contact the owner and advise the passenger to go to the screening location. If contact is not made, the container will not be placed on the aircraft.
  • If a locked container alarms during screening and is not marked as containing a declared firearm, TSA will cut the lock in order to resolve the alarm.
  • Travelers should remain in the area designated by the aircraft operator or TSA representative to take the key back after the container is cleared for transportation.
  • Travelers must securely pack any ammunition in fiber (such as cardboard), wood or metal boxes or other packaging specifically designed to carry small amounts of ammunition.
  • Firearm magazines and ammunition clips must be securely boxed or included within a hard-sided case containing an unloaded firearm.
 
ARGuy...you know we gonna debate about the whole AR versus Shotgun for home defense. I'll be back for that one later today...
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i've had my purchase permits for awhile now and still haven't decided on what to buy, lol. its the hardest decision ever for me.
 
Originally Posted by ElderWatsonDiggs

ARGuy...you know we gonna debate about the whole AR versus Shotgun for home defense. I'll be back for that one later today...
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I would like to see this debate.Because I would like to purchase a weapon for home defense when I get tax money but AR Guy just opened my eyes quite a bit.
 
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