OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD : VOL. MOST. ANTICIPATED. PLAYOFFS. EVER?

This is from 2006.
Great ... but overrated

Allen Iverson and Steve Nash
In an odd way, these two are really similar. Though they have very different games, each is able to grab fans at an emotional level. People appreciate Tim Duncan, but they love Iverson and Nash.

That's partly because they look like us -- tiny guys who look like they could be playing the lunchtime game at the Y -- while they're embarrassing the giants with their amazing skill and creativity. It's partly because each plays with such exceptional speed and reckless abandon -- cheering for them is a way of thumbing our noses at every control-freak coach who thinks there should be a huddle before every possession. It helps, too, that each is among the best at the game's two most visible feats -- Nash with passing, Iverson with scoring -- and that each player's biggest weakness, defense, tends to be the hardest for fans to identify.
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Allen Iverson

Player Efficiency Rating

26.33

vs. NBA Avg.: +11.33

Iverson profile
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Steve Nash

Player Efficiency Rating

23.87

vs. NBA Avg.: +8.87

Nash profile
So how can I call these guys overrated? Because their appeal to our inner basketball karma has caused us to massively overstate their impact on the game. Both are almost universally considered among the top five or so players in the league, forming last year's All-NBA first team backcourt. Nash won last year's MVP award and might win it again, while Iverson finished a close fifth a year ago and has four top-nine finishes in the voting. And as luck would have it, each has an MVP trophy that many feel should be sitting on Shaquille O'Neal's mantel.

But let's get back to that top-five thing, because there's no way either can make that claim stand up. For instance, neither has ever finished a season in the top five in the league in player efficiency rating -- not only this year, but ever. Right now Iverson is seventh and Nash is ninth, and each is having the best season of his career. Some will argue that PER underrates them, but if anything it does the opposite, because it excludes defense except steals and blocks.

How do they fall short? When we compare them to the elite players, the best of the best, each has two shortcomings. One of them is obvious: rebounding. The other, in Nash's case, is that he doesn't create nearly as many shots as his peers, even when we factor in all the assists. His usage rate is on par with Mike Bibby and Sam Cassell, and ranks 24th overall. For Iverson, the problem isn't creating shots but converting them -- he's a poor outside shooter who's a 42.1 percent career marksman.

If you still don't believe me, try this exercise. Suppose the league broke up all the teams tomorrow and did a redraft, and everybody could keep their new players for exactly one season. Who would the top picks be? Not Iverson and Nash. Even the most ardent Suns and Sixers fans would have to admit that the first six would, in some order, be LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Tim Duncan, Kevin Garnett, Dwyane Wade and Dirk Nowitzki.

After that, Nash or Iverson might get picked, but teams would also be looking at players like Shaquille O'Neal, Yao Ming, Paul Pierce, Chauncey Billups and Elton Brand. It's possible that Nash wouldn't be the first Sun off the board, or even the second. And as for Iverson, Jerry Colangelo had 20 picks for Team USA and still didn't choose him.

So as great as they are, and as much as we enjoy watching them ... yes, it would seem they're overrated.

Good ... but overrated
 
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I mentioned that already, he calls him overrated why?  Because he doesn't lead in a "Hollinger" stat. 
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And like I said, hate for Nash on here, yes, sure, I was the president, hate on Nash from THE MEDIA?  Not so much.  Distinction people, distinction. 


Pro, do you have me on ignore or something? 
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 You keep posting stuff right after I said it. 
 
The question isn't weather the media hated on Nash it's weather the media hated on Nash more than Rose, at the very least it's the same.

We have the usual suspects, Dan Lebatard, John Hollinger, plus the blogsphere, basketbawful, sonic central back in those days plus Niketalk samse sources currently afflicting Niketalk.
 
And I'm sayin you buggin.  You out your damn mind that the media was hating on Nash the same as Rose.  No damn way.  Every idiot with a mic was hypin Nash back then, they still @#$%^& do TODAY, so you crazy if you think they was pickin on him back then.  NT, yeah, sure we were loud about it, but the media? 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

And I'm sayin you buggin.  You out your damn mind that the media was hating on Nash the same as Rose.  No damn way.  Every idiot with a mic was hypin Nash back then, they still @#$%^& do TODAY, so you crazy if you think they was pickin on him back then.  NT, yeah, sure we were loud about it, but the media? 
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Like I said how man mainstream media members DON'T have rose as the MVP? To win the MVP the mainstream media has to back you. Every idiot with Mic is backing rose just like every media member with a mic is backing Nash.

The MVP award is voted on by the media so of course the MM has to be hyping you, just like they are hyping rose.
 
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Originally Posted by CP1708

And I'm sayin you buggin.  You out your damn mind that the media was hating on Nash the same as Rose.  No damn way.  Every idiot with a mic was hypin Nash back then, they still @#$%^& do TODAY, so you crazy if you think they was pickin on him back then.  NT, yeah, sure we were loud about it, but the media? 
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Like I said how man mainstream media members DON'T have rose as the MVP? To win the MVP the mainstream media has to back you. Every idiot with Mic is backing rose just like every media member with a mic is backing Nash.

The MVP award is voted on by the media so of course the MM has to be hyping you, just like they are hyping rose.

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  Huh?

We talkin in circles here bruh, not even sure we in the same convo right now. 

You's og point was that he didn't remember seein such an ANTI MVP backlash like what's happening to Rose.  There was not nearly this much anti Nash stuff goin on 4-5 years ago.  If you want to say it's because there is MORE media/twitter/blogs/sites now, ok fine, that's a good posibility, but to say that there was the SAME amount of anti Nash stuff back then is wrong and wrong by a lot.  Like Dub said, it seems like this week alone there is a new article every day about Rose shouldn't be the MVP, but that was not happening with Nash.  Nobody was posting article after article back then unless of course it was a Laker beatwriter maybe. 
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  Now Simmons I know didn't vote for Nash, but I don't know many others (back then) that weren't on the Nash express. 

This either clears up what we talkin about, or you about to go in a great big circle on me again. 
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Originally Posted by YoungTriz

BOS vs ATL.... lets see if the old legs hold up with a back to back

Hawks suck im guessing they will get blown out like always
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Originally Posted by YoungTriz

BOS vs ATL.... lets see if the old legs hold up with a back to back

naw boston aint winning. i mean the hawks are garbage but boston is definately gonna be tired.

i see the lakers losing aswell tonight
  
 
No way the Lakers lose, the Jazz are god-awful. I know it's a second night of a back to back, but I'd be shocked if the Lakers didn't win by 15. Corbin is in over his head, couple of Jazz players are injured and lack of talent/experience.

The Jazz are also going to play Millsap at SF.
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Matt Barnes suspended one game for "Escalating an on-court altercation and actions following his ejection."

Dennis Rodman is also getting his number retired for the Pistons tonight vs the Bulls.
 
rodman going to be there all drunk
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I'm probably the only Laker fan who thinks Nash deserved those MVP's. I didn't give a damn that Kobe didn't win it.
 
First year I thought Nash deserved it. In the 2nd year who was it comepting w/ him billups?

Getting ready for a funeral tonight, Heat @ Wolves. Even though Bron, Bosh, and Wade partied all last night my guess tonight one of them goes off. Hope its close if not I'm not staying for the fourth.
 
Originally Posted by HOOD17

First year I thought Nash deserved it. In the 2nd year who was it comepting w/ him billups?

Getting ready for a funeral tonight, Heat @ Wolves. Even though Bron, Bosh, and Wade partied all last night my guess tonight one of them goes off. Hope its close if not I'm not staying for the fourth.
I benched Mike Beasley in fantasy. All the early season hype died. Watch him go for 50 against his former team.
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