OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD : VOL. MOST. ANTICIPATED. PLAYOFFS. EVER?

Same person was all crying second quarter vs the Jazz cuz we weren't winnin, 20 minutes later we up 18, can't find Noble no where. Crying bout same ol Lakers or some garbage. Then we up most of the game vs Nuggets, all is quiet, soon as we get beat Noble in crying and whinin. It's ok, we seen the act before. Hates on LA all year long after every single loss then after we win titles Noble come thru with the "We did it!!!!" Fugazi type child.
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Based off that game Noble did have a point about Kobe. Not just cuz of going 6 for 24 overall but his shot selection in the 4th when the game was still in hand. Kinda like the complaints about Melo being a ball stopper Kobes tends to stop ball movement by immediately heaving 3s or awkward shots looking for fouls. If he's not jacking it up quickly he's doing a whole lot of dribbling before he doesn't pass and shoots unless he's in a tough spot (jumping out of bounds and is forced to pass).

I just don't get that when his pump faking/mid range game is so good.

Phil wasn't lying when Kobe tries to do it all by himself. Don't know why he tried to take it back/sugarcoat it later.

And after reading that game thread, Noble reminds me of the Knicks posters when we lose but since he's in the minority it gets the backlash even more
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Originally Posted by CP1708

Same person was all crying second quarter vs the Jazz cuz we weren't winnin, 20 minutes later we up 18, can't find Noble no where. Crying bout same ol Lakers or some garbage. Then we up most of the game vs Nuggets, all is quiet, soon as we get beat Noble in crying and whinin. It's ok, we seen the act before. Hates on LA all year long after every single loss then after we win titles Noble come thru with the "We did it!!!!" Fugazi type child.
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you take %+#% way too serious man. i cant be on niketalk for the whole *%*!*$* game man. i got a life. not gonna run to niketalk everytime the lakers score. watched most of the lakers/nuggets game at costco. and who wouldnt be complaining about being down by 16 to the freakin utah jazz without devin and ak47??? 
  
 
Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Based off that game Noble did have a point about Kobe. Not just cuz of going 6 for 24 overall but his shot selection in the 4th when the game was still in hand. Kinda like the complaints about Melo being a ball stopper Kobes tends to stop ball movement by immediately heaving 3s or awkward shots looking for fouls. If he's not jacking it up quickly he's doing a whole lot of dribbling before he doesn't pass and shoots unless he's in a tough spot (jumping out of bounds and is forced to pass).
exactly. and my gripe on sunday was pau gasol was 7 for 10 that game. your big man is shooting 70 percent from the field but you go and jack up 30 shots and only make 10? thats just not smart...
 
Oh snap I gotta find the PM noblekane sent me when we went to that other board you could curse on
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Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by h3at23

Laker fan on Laker fan crime? 
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its nothing new. been here 11 years. many laker fans hate me cuz i dont kiss !*% and blame sasha for a loss instead of kobe shooting terrible... i like kobe but if hes the reason the lakers lost hes the reason. not gonna blame it on the hotel or the bus ride over like some guys do... lakers were up by 6 in the 4th. they lost the game they should have won. im not gonna be an arrogant prick and say no big deal because it was. homecourt is a big deal for an aging team. with the spurs winning and the lakers losing because of their leader's bad shooting hell yea ima be pissed. you can tell who is who when you gotta resort to claiming a man is a female....lol
  
whoa.. a rational lakers' fan on NT, i am impressed..

if i see a rational cowboys' fan on NT, those prophecies about 2012 might be true after all





and yes my problem with kobe will always be the fact that we KNOW he has the knowledge and understanding of the game.. but dude only wants to win on his terms (yes i'm convinced there would have been ISSUES if gasol won the finals MVP last year.. hell check how kobe started playing when gasol got player of the week or whatever at the beginning of the season)
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

exactly. and my gripe on sunday was pau gasol was 7 for 10 that game. your big man is shooting 70 percent from the field but you go and jack up 30 shots and only make 10? thats just not smart...

exactly.. check the miami game (where one would assume you would pound them inside)

bynum is 4/5 (80%) in 37 mins

gasol 8/16 (50%) in 40 mins



kobe goes 8/21 (taking 8 3s)

also odum took 11 shots in 19 mins
 
Of course Kobe takes too many shots and is a ballhog. If you look at the winning percentages of the Lakers when he takes fewer than 20 shots, or when he takes 10 more shots than the next player on his team, it becomes pretty obvious that he hurts his team on occasion. When the Lakers are balanced and focused on defense, they are nigh unbeatable.

The thing about it is, you're not going to ask the guy to change up his game at this point in his career, especially considering the success he's achieved, and the size of his ego. You take the good with the bad, as with any NBA player. He'll shoot you out of quite a few games, but I mean they've been to three straight finals, with Bryant as the catalyst, so who really cares? I know if I was a Laker fan, I'd take the bad with the ridiculous amount of good without any complaints. 
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by ATGD7154xBBxMZ

Based off that game Noble did have a point about Kobe. Not just cuz of going 6 for 24 overall but his shot selection in the 4th when the game was still in hand. Kinda like the complaints about Melo being a ball stopper Kobes tends to stop ball movement by immediately heaving 3s or awkward shots looking for fouls. If he's not jacking it up quickly he's doing a whole lot of dribbling before he doesn't pass and shoots unless he's in a tough spot (jumping out of bounds and is forced to pass).
exactly. and my gripe on sunday was pau gasol was 7 for 10 that game. your big man is shooting 70 percent from the field but you go and jack up 30 shots and only make 10? thats just not smart...

The fact that you guys listen to this and agree is laughable. 

I'll go ahead and break it down for you for those that want the actual truth.  

With about 4 and a half left, Kobe feeds Fisher for a bucket, LA takes the lead.  The next two possessions, Pau gets the ball on the block, and both possessions he gets the ball stolen.  Result?  Nuggets score both times.  Fish and Lamar then both attempt 3's, come up empty, Nuggets now go up EIGHT points near the 2 minute mark. 

You guys want to fill me in on the Kobe shooting issues here? 
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Now, what also contributes is the hard foul on Pau.  Not to even mention the fact that Bynum is now out of the game as well with a slight tweak of his knee.  Both of them were a little shell shocked so to speak.  It happens, things go thru your mind, etc etc.  But Pau was not exactly Black Swan at the moment when he was turnin the ball over on back to back possessions now was he? 
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Nevertheless, Kobe went into stupid hero mode tryin to get the game back.  We were down 8 already, with 2 minutes, maybe you think moving the ball around longer was the way to go? 
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He threw up a couple ridiculous shots, missed badly and the game was over when K-Mart moved Odom 5 feet under the hoop for the tip in.  (Much like the San An game)  

So yes, you can look at the stat sheet at the end of the game, see 27 shots not knowing that he was basically 10-22 or something at one point, which is basically close to 45% or, his career percentage, including this seasons, and then he forced up 4-5 bad shots late, trailing in the game, after a few possessions of the other Lakers turning the ball over, or missing wide open 3's. 

One other key play from the 4th Q.  Bynum blocks Mozgov, LA up 6.  The ball goes out, and they call Denver ball.  Now, replays CLEARLY show it was our ball, they made a mistake.  No big deal.  However, Felton then goes and hits a bucket, and the foul, lead goes from 6 to 3.  This was effectively the Brian Shaw banked in 3 vs Port in game 7.  Or the Samaki Walker 3 from half court that shouldn't have counted in game 4 2002.  A play that goes unnoticed, but was big in the eventual outcome.  1 it got Felton going  (he had been struggling) and 2, 6 point lead and the ball, maybe the lead gets extended instead of cut in half. 


The bottom line is this.  LA as a whole didn't get it done.  SEVERAL players made mistakes.  I hadn't even brought up the O foul on Odom in which Artest had hit the 3 that would have given us the lead either.  There were MANY plays that could have gone either way for us.  They didn't.  We lost.  Simple as that.  Denver got us.  But someone comes in and start BEGGING for us to get Jordan Farmar back, bring back Sasha Vujacic, trade Blake, Barnes, and Shannon and then says, oh and Kobe sucks. 
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   Same dude had Farmar and Sasha sent out of town ON RAILS, now beggin for them to come back?  Dude is pissin about the 9th man on the team after every damn loss?  I don't know what game he was watchin from Costco that day, but he has no clue what it is he speaks about.  He simply blames Kobe and then waits for all the rest of the haters to come and clap him on the back and say how smart he is.  
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Like I said, he's gonna go I knew it, I knew it all summer long if we lose this season.  And if we win, he'll be there with I knew it, I knew it as well.  It's who he is.  Flip floppin type "Laker" fan. 

Hopefully he comes in here to explain his big man goin 7 for 10, and then he'll tell us all about those 2 turnovers that led to Denver baskets and how those must not matter.  How it went from a 2 point game, to a 6 point game after those plays.  But yeah, Kobe's shooting was the reason we lost Sunday at Costco, right?  Smart.   
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The people bringing up the "Gasol & Bynum" need more touches argument aren't fully watching the games. I would love for them to get more looks but it's not as simple as just feeding the post and letting them put up a shot.

Often times they can't even get a shot up because they're getting fronted and a clean entry pass can't be delivered, or, as seen on Sunday in crunch time, Pau gets the ball ripped from him when he does receive the ball on the block. I won't act as though this happens on every possession but other teams are not sitting back and letting our bigs get good position often for easy baskets. Pau was efficient on Sunday but all those TOs we had erased our possessions and the opportunity for him to put up more shots.
 
What in the hell did Robin Lopez say to Humphries anyway. Fam got his ++%@ deleted, walk away buddy lol
 
Originally Posted by NobleKane

Originally Posted by h3at23

Laker fan on Laker fan crime? 
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its nothing new. been here 11 years. many laker fans hate me cuz i dont kiss !*% and blame sasha for a loss instead of kobe shooting terrible... i like kobe but if hes the reason the lakers lost hes the reason. not gonna blame it on the hotel or the bus ride over like some guys do... lakers were up by 6 in the 4th. they lost the game they should have won. im not gonna be an arrogant prick and say no big deal because it was. homecourt is a big deal for an aging team. with the spurs winning and the lakers losing because of their leader's bad shooting hell yea ima be pissed. you can tell who is who when you gotta resort to claiming a man is a female....lol
  

That's a fan right there
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Race for #2.

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Nine nights left in the season and, just as we expected heading into the year, we're wondering whether anybody can knock off the Eastern Conference's alpha dog.

The surprise? It's not the Miami Heat or Boston Celtics but the Chicago Bulls whom everyone will be shooting for. In fact, with Miami and Boston, the question du jour is less about championship rings and more about which of the two will make it out of the second round.

More on that in a second, but first, let's quickly review the landscape.

Realistically, there isn't much to talk about regarding the Bulls. With a three-game margin on the field and only six games left to play, Chicago is virtually assured of being the top seed -- today's Playoff Odds give the Bulls a 96.3 percent of securing the pole position in the East.

While theoretically Boston could usurp that spot by (A) beating the Bulls on Thursday, (B) winning its other five remaining games and (C) having the Bulls lose road visits to Orlando and New York next week, there is nothing in the recent performance of either Boston or top-rated Chicago that suggests any of these three events is particularly likely, let alone all three of them simultaneously.

In fact the only real drama involving the Bulls will be in the race for the top overall seed and potential home-court advantage for the Finals. Chicago has the upper hand on the Los Angeles Lakers at the moment, holding both a one-game lead and the tiebreaker.

With San Antonio, things get more interesting. The Bulls trail the Spurs by a game in the loss column, and at the moment the tiebreaker is a dead heat. But if San Antonio loses in Atlanta tonight, the Bulls would pull even and own the tiebreaker. In any other scenario, a tie between the two teams for top overall seed would be settled by random drawing. That's what today's Playoff Odds project -- a dead heat at 61 wins for the two teams. (More random drawing excitement: If it comes down to it, my spies tell me it would likely be held on one of the two off days before the playoffs.)

Otherwise, all the intrigue in the East's final 10 days lies in the 2-3-6-7 bracket. Down below, Philly and New York are still scrapping for sixth position, with tomorrow's meeting between the two sides looming large. If the Sixers win, it's basically over; they'll have a two-game lead in the loss column and the tiebreaker, making it virtually impossible for the Bockers to catch them in the five other games (four for Philly).

Should New York win, however, there will be genuine intrigue. The teams could be tied in the loss column (pending also what happens tonight), and the tiebreaker between the two would be unsettled. The head-to-head series would finish tied at two apiece, and on the next tiebreaker -- division record -- they're only a half-game apart with multiple division games left for both. The next tiebreaker, conference record, is a similar jumble.

At least things are more clear-cut between Boston and Miami. Home-court advantage in that series will go to Boston if the two finished tied, or to the Heat if, as seems increasingly likely, Miami finishes a game ahead. Miami has a half-game lead in the standings and, with one exception, a cream-puff schedule ahead. It further benefits the Heat that a potentially difficult game at Atlanta on the second-to-last day of the season will likely be against the Hawks' reserves.

That one exception I noted above, alas, is the fourth and final meeting between the Heat and Celtics this coming Sunday. Boston won the first three, racing out to double-digit leads in each before a late Miami surge made the final score more respectable.

Two of those games were in the opening days of the season, however, and of late the Heat have looked the far more legitimate contenders. Miami has quietly regained the league's top scoring margin, by a whisker over Chicago; is as healthy as it's been all year; and has been bolstered a bit by midyear pickups Mike Bibby and Erick Dampier. (Side note: The only wounded Heat player left, forward Udonis Haslem, told me Sunday he can play half-court ball right now but it's going to be a while before his torn foot ligament can handle the full-court running of an NBA game. Realistically, he might not return unless the Heat get to the conference finals.)

Celtics fans are familiar with this by now, but Boston is only 13-9 since the All-Star break and has seemed in a funk since trading Kendrick Perkins to Oklahoma City. Weirdly, I'm not sure the funk has much to do with Perkins -- virtually the entire problem has been on offense, where Perk made a limited impact. Nonetheless, the Celtics have been held under 90 points in 10 of their past 16 games, and that won't get it done. Boston's defense remains as airtight as ever, ranking second in Defensive Efficiency and threatening to overtake the Bulls for the top spot, but the C's are just 17th at the offensive end. They're barely ahead of Detroit in Offensive Efficiency, if you can stomach that thought.

We were duped by Boston's second-half struggles a year ago, so we'll grab a few salt packets with this information, but the league's long-term history bears repeating: Coasting into the postseason hoping to "flip the switch" is a poor formula for playoff success.

Still, both Miami and Boston have a card left in their pockets that the Bulls do not: For both, the redistribution of playoff minutes from scrubs to starters should make them more potent foes than in the regular season. In Miami's case, this is abundantly obvious, as the Heat's top-heavy roster has been one of the season's most heavily discussed phenomena.

Boston? Arguably, the Celtics could benefit nearly as much. Consider this chart from basketballvalue.com. What you're seeing is Boston's plus-minus with various units on the court. At the top, notice that their most common units feature their four All-Stars with any warm-bodied big man; you'll see that regardless of whether it's Glen Davis, Nenad Krstic, Jeff Green, Jermaine O'Neal, Shaquille O'Neal or Ed O'Neill, the Celtics dramatically outscore the opposition with that group. Meanwhile, some commonly used Boston regular-season units that were trampled -- like "Robinson-Wafer-Daniels-Davis-Erden", for instance -- won't be seeing daylight this postseason.

All of which offers reasons for optimism for fans of each. Yet the big-picture takeaway from the Eastern Conference regular season is that both clubs may have too many fundamental flaws to beat the likes of the Bulls and Lakers in the postseason. The Heat are hamstrung by a bad supporting cast and the Celtics by a chronic inability to score, and neither is getting much help from the second unit.

It's a testament to their other strengths that each will win nearly 60 games anyway, but these clubs didn't come into training camp talking about regular-season goals. Unfortunately, the weaknesses they've shown make it difficult to confidently project postseason glory for either.

Western Conference.

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If we see as many Western Conference long shots cash in during the playoffs as we might to end the regular season, it's going to be a pretty exhilarating postseason.

Among the many unlikely scenarios coming to fruition, consider these three:

•  The Spurs, who held a seven-game lead over the Lakers as recently as two weeks ago, are hanging on to a two-and-a-half-game advantage over L.A., having briefly ceded control-their-own-destiny status to the Lakers this past weekend before grabbing it back on Sunday.

•  The Hornets, who led Houston by 10 games in early February, cling to a three-game lead over the Rockets. New Orleans probably will just barely hold off the hard-charging Rockets, even if it loses to Houston on Wednesday -- but only because Dallas is likely to rest its starters against the Hornets on the last day of the season and because the Hornets own the division-record tiebreaker.

With five winnable games left, Houston faces the distinct possibility of going 20-5 after the All-Star break yet missing the playoffs. (It should be noted that Houston also can catch Memphis, against which it owns the tiebreak, but the Grizzlies' torrid play of late makes that scenario highly unlikely.)

•  Finally, the Thunder, who entered April with a seemingly impregnable five-game lead over division rival Denver, may nonetheless finish second in the Northwest Division. If so, they can thank an improbable sequence in L.A. this past weekend -- when Oklahoma City lost to the lowly Clippers while the Nuggets left the Staples Center victorious.

The Thunder still lead by three games but play the Nuggets twice this week and would lose the tiebreak with a sweep. They'd still be a game up in the standings but have to go back to L.A. to face the Lakers and have to play a suddenly frisky Kings team in what may be their second-to-last game ever in Sacramento. If the Thunder lose either while the Nuggets run the table, OKC will start the playoffs on the road.

Of these three unlikely developments, the most meaningful is unquestionably the Lakers' second-half charge. Although Sunday's loss to the Nuggets was a setback, the Lake Show is still a giddy 17-2 since the All-Star break and a close second behind Chicago in the Power Rankings; further, L.A. can still wrest the top seed from the Spurs by running the table in its final six games. It won't be easy -- included are visits to Portland and Golden State and an emotional season-ender in Sacramento -- but it's definitely doable given L.A.'s recent excellence.

The improbable feat that made this all possible was San Antonio's recent six-game losing streak, one that probably overemphasized the extent of its woes. All six opponents were playoff teams, and no defeat was by more than 10 points. Nonetheless, the odds of a 60-win-caliber team losing six straight times to average opponents are roughly 1 in 500; even allowing for the superior competition in this particular six-game stretch, it was an extremely unlikely event.

That's especially true when combined with the Lakers' five-game win streak in those same dates. Although obviously more likely than San Antonio's losing skid, the combined probability of both events happening at the same time was about 1 in 2,000.

Which explains how the Playoff Odds could see San Antonio's top seed as a certainty two weeks ago, then drop its chances all the way down to 58.2 percent on Sunday morning. They're back up to 78 percent now -- the Spurs likely will blow it only if they lose in Atlanta on Tuesday and again to the Lakers the next Tuesday while L.A. runs the table -- but it shows that highly improbable events can nonetheless happen and throw a monkey wrench into the playoff seedings.

Yet even with the recent unlikely events, San Antonio still had better odds than the Lakers, and Sunday showed why -- if anything bad happens to L.A., as it did Sunday, it immediately becomes very hard to make up the ground with so little time left.

Nonetheless, we're unexpectedly left with a race in these final days of the season, and moreover, we're left with a clear hierarchy in the West:

Group I: The Lakers.

Group II: The Nuggets.

Group III: Everybody else.

Break it down this way, and another question comes to mind: Should the Lakers even try for the No. 1 seed? It sure seems like the 2-3-6-7 bracket in the West is softer, with a struggling Mavs team that has lost its past seven games against Western Conference playoff teams looming as a second-round foe instead of the scorching Nuggets.

The two highest-rated Western teams in the Power Rankings after the Lakers are Denver and Oklahoma City, who are likely to face off in the 4-5 portion of the bracket. San Antonio would be there, too, if it hadn't taken its foot off the gas.

Let Denver, San Antonio and Oklahoma City wear one another down, the idea goes, and face the one left standing; the only potential harm is if that opponent is San Antonio and the series goes to a seventh game. (Denver, it should be noted, might also be well-served from a tanking strategy should it drop the first of the two games against the Thunder on Tuesday; the danger is that the teams below it are clustered so tightly that it's difficult to fall exactly to the No. 6 position).

Moreover, at this point, one has difficulty seeing a Lakers-Spurs series going the full seven games regardless of home-court advantage, seemingly limiting L.A.'s incentive to push hard for what remains an unlikely goal.

However, there's a greater reason for L.A. to keep chugging along, one that is likely to have far more postseason relevance: home-court advantage in the Finals. Whether it's Chicago, Boston or Miami, the Lakers have to keep winning to assure a Game 7 in the Staples Center -- and we saw how vital that can be a year ago.

Right now, the Bulls have the inside track, as they own the tiebreak with L.A. and are one game up in the standings; however, Chicago has tough games left against Boston, Orlando and the Knicks. Looming two back in the loss column are the Heat, who also own the tie-break with L.A. and can probably run the table if they choose; a home date against Boston on Sunday is the biggest hurdle left.

And then there are the Celtics. L.A. is two games ahead of Boston, and the Celtics still must play the Bulls and Heat, but should the Celtics rally to tie L.A. in the standings and charge to a rematch in the Finals, we'll face the unbelievable prospect of Game 7 being decided by a random drawing: The two tiebreakers for Finals home-court advantage, which I enumerated on Friday, settle nothing.

So regardless of whether the Lakers catch the Spurs, their remaining games have important implications as we look ahead to the postseason. (As do San Antonio's, I should add -- a Spurs-Bulls Finals is another candidate for a "random drawing" seventh game.) It sure didn't seem it would be that way a few weeks ago, when the idea of L.A. being anything greater than the West's No. 3 seed seemed an uphill battle, but it's one of many unlikely events that have placed renewed importance on the regular season's final fortnight.

Griffin vs. Durant.

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This week's comparison of two of the NBA's most exciting young players is a study in contrast. Kevin Durant uses deft shooting ability and length to frustrate opponents, while Blake Griffin's raw power and athleticsm have taken the league by storm.

Their squads squared off last night, and Griffin's Los Angeles Clippers took down Durant's Oklahoma City Thunder with each player leading his respective team in scoring. Their time guarding each other was limited, and it will be again when they go toe-to-toe again on Wednesday, but that hardly matters when it comes to comparing the two. It's all about who has the bigger impact on the game. Two franchise cornerstones go head up to answer our favorite question: Who's better?

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RPG: 12
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FG%: 50
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PER: 21.77

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PPG: 27.8
RPG: 6.8
APG: 2.8

FG%: 46
3FG%: 36
PER: 23.83

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GRIFFIN: ATHLETICISM

Griffin has supplanted LeBron James as the best athlete in the league. His combination of leaping ability and strength puts him in a position to score anywhere around the basket and continues to mystify his opponents. Guarding Griffin is like picking your poison. On the ground he brutalizes opponents with brute force, whether by lowering his shoulder or tearing down a powerful rebound. Let him spring into action and he's soaring for an arena-shaking signature slam. ("People don't even jump with him anymore," says one scout.) Terrific balance and agility let him execute his pet spin move before exploding off the floor. "He's incredibly physical and aggressive and has a motor that never stops," says Dirk Nowitzki. "It's easy to be in awe of how high he jumps but then you realize you don't want to get dunked on." While shooters can have an off night, Griffin's athletic ability impacts the game 82 nights a year.

DURANT: LENGTH

Durant's fluid shooting stroke is one of the most dangerous weapons in the league. But it's his extraordinary length that makes him unstoppable and gives him the widest array of nearly unblockable shots in the NBA. Durant uses his length to his advantage the way Shaquille O'Neal used his power in the 1990s. He's so long that he often releases his runners and jump hooks above rim level, knocking down 67 percent of his shots in the lane. That length affords him the luxury of not having to jump high on his perimeter shots, particularly from behind the arc, so he's saving energy without compromising form. He doesn't waste a lot of time dribbling on the perimeter trying to create a good look, because he can usually shoot over people. But it's not just his length and touch that make him an efficient scorer -- he's decisive, too. In other words, if he's open he pulls it. "That's what great scorers have to do on this level," says a Western Conference scout.

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GRIFFIN: SHOT SELECTION

Griffin takes a lot of bad shots. In the first two months of the season he would often drive baseline, find himself behind the backboard, pick up his dribble and still try to get a shot off. An examination of 14 such drives showed Griffin failed to convert a single one of these off-balance attempts. (Twelve resulted in defensive rebounds.) He also has the habit of unnecessarily shooting 360-degree lay-ups at point-blank range, negating several of his best attributes at once. He'd be better served gathering himself and going up strong to the rim to get the "and 1." Sometimes Griffin gets a little Hulk-%%# and forgets his own strength. "He's just so powerful and athletic that he can get any shot he wants," says Clippers director of player development Dave Severns. "Sometimes it's a case of, 'what makes him great also hurts him.'"

DURANT: DEFENSE

Durant's defensive development has always lagged behind his sparkling offense. While he's improved his point-of-attack defense, he's still working on getting the hang of team defense -- particularly knowing when to help. When the opposing point guard beats his man, Durant can be hit or miss with his timing and position when he commits to help. Sometimes he misses assignments altogether, leaving his defensive big on an island having to guard two players at once. "It's something we've talked with him a lot about," says Thunder head coach Scott Brooks. "Good help and rotation builds defensive trust, so we're counting on him." The Thunder think it's an easy fix. "He can cover a lot of space quickly and with his length he's very hard to shoot over," adds Brooks. "Mostly, he wants to become great at it."

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GRIFFIN: BALL-HANDLING

Griffin isn't known for his ballhandling, but it's fast becoming a phase of the game that's opening up and diversifying his offensive attack. One move in particular is both highly functional and fun to watch. When bringing the ball up on the break, he crouches over unusually low for a man his size and zips a low left-to-right, between-the-legs crossover. His low center of gravity lets him keep the ball close to the ground and change direction in transition without losing speed. The lower he gets the better. Crouching low also allows him to uncoil his body like a spring and surprise a backpedaling defender with how quickly he can rocket toward the rim. "Handling the ball in the open court is something we've allowed him to do because he's shown he can be very effective," says Clips assistant Marc Iavaroni.

DURANT: STEP-BACK MOVE

The combination of length and pure shooting skills makes Durant nearly impossible to stop, but his newest move is downright unfair. Durant has developed a killer step-back move that is highlighted by an enormous step backward that can cover about eight feet thanks to his long legs. Add a quick release and he can clear a chasm of space and get the shot off before his defender has time to react. He almost exclusively employs this move on the right wing in clear-out situations, oftentimes when the shot clock is running down. In a March 16 meeting with the Miami Heat, the move continually frustrated LeBron James, who at 6-foot-8 couldn't make up the distance Durant put between them. "He's worked hard on that move," says Brooks. "It's part of his need to continually expand and get better."

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GRIFFIN: INTIMIDATION

NBA players are used to getting dunked on. At this level it's a part of the game and there's no shame in it. But Griffin's dunks demoralize opponents. "You don't want to be that guy getting dunked on because everyone will see it," says Shawn Marion. The Clippers try to capitalize on every drop of adrenaline delivered by one of Griffin's dunks, usually going on a run immediately after. But as important as a game-changing dunk can be, coaches would like Griffin to worry less about throwing it down in favor of finding an early rhythm. "We actually like for him to get that big dunk out of the way early so he can settle down," says Severns. "But whenever he gets them, we don't complain."

DURANT: ATTITUDE

There's no bigger cheerleader for the Thunder than its best player. After a teammate's dunk, assist or drawn charge, Durant is fist-pumping and working his teammates into a lather, regardless of whether he's having a good game or not. "It all stems from his genuine love of the game," says Brooks. "What he does for team spirit you can't measure." Durant's boyish enthusiasm is contagious. The bench will routinely stand up and wave towels not only after big dunks but when the team smartly executes a set or someone dives for a loose ball. That in turn extends to the entire arena when the Thunder are playing at home, making the Ford Center one of the loudest arenas in the league.

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"Blake is a very physical guy. He loves contact and doesn't shy away. I think he's shown he can be a very competitive player who gives it maximum effort. Against him I try to bring him out away from the rim where he'll be less effective and shoot over him. Getting underneath and banging with him is playing into his hands, but you can't avoid it because that's a big part of what he does. On defense you don't want to lose sight of him and give up a big play, so I try to always keep a body on him. But really it's fun to face him because I know that I'm going to be in for a challenge when we play them and that's something I look forward to."
-- Pau Gasol, Los Angeles Lakers

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"It's almost impossible to call. They both do what they do so well. Kevin is long as the day and that's really enough. That alone causes a lot of problems. Blake is like a freight train. He comes at you so hard. I'm the type of guy who guards 3s and 4s so I need to be prepared for both styles of play. Both make you work equally as hard but in different ways. What makes both guys tough is they have the green light. That always makes someone harder to guard but when you have their individual skills it's almost impossible. It's really tough to say who's better. All I know is they both bring it every night and just go hard."
-- Shawn Marion, Dallas Mavericks



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BLAKE GRIFFIN

Durant is as pure a scorer as there is and looks to be a perennial MVP candidate. But the league has simply never seen anything like Griffin's skill set before. Despite the fact that Griffin has not yet mastered the nuances and subtleties of the pro game, Durant's efficiency rating is only slightly better.

Griffin is the first rookie since Kareem Abdul-Jabbar in the 1969-70 season to average 22 points, 12 rebounds and three assists. His March 23 triple-double of 33 points, 17 rebounds and 10 assists was the first time a rook posted at least 30-plus points, 15-plus rebounds and 10-plus assists in 50 years (Jerry West, 1961).

Griffin is a raw, mountain of a power forward in the early stages of understanding the NBA game, yet still averages a full assist more than the highly skilled Durant. He already does a lot of little things better, too. For example, passing out of double teams. (Griffin's assisted on 85 3s to Durant's 40.) With his rapidly improving ballhandling, floor vision and understanding of the game, Griffin could average six to seven assists without compromising his scoring one bit. Continuing to improve his free throw shooting would add 2-3 points to his average.

Durant's averages of 6.8 rebounds and 2.8 assists are very solid, but he loses ground because he doesn't necessarily improve those around him. Both players have a tremendous work ethic but what makes Griffin scary is his time warp-like improvements. He seems to add a new element to his game each month. In November, his bringing the ball up the floor was a novelty. Now it's a weapon.

Despite his victory, Griffin has a long way to go. He isn't particularly long and is bothered by post players who have exceptional length and must learn not to beat himself up when he makes a mistake. He could also stand to block more shots given his terrific hops.

Durant is a phenomenal talent who can explode for 40 on any given night. But there's a way to deal with him -- be physical and push him as far out as possible to disrupt his rhythm.

With Griffin, the league has figured out no such approach.
 
Originally Posted by abovelegit1

Of course Kobe takes too many shots and is a ballhog. If you look at the winning percentages of the Lakers when he takes fewer than 20 shots, or when he takes 10 more shots than the next player on his team, it becomes pretty obvious that he hurts his team on occasion. When the Lakers are balanced and focused on defense, they are nigh unbeatable.

The thing about it is, you're not going to ask the guy to change up his game at this point in his career, especially considering the success he's achieved, and the size of his ego. You take the good with the bad, as with any NBA player. He'll shoot you out of quite a few games, but I mean they've been to three straight finals, with Bryant as the catalyst, so who really cares? I know if I was a Laker fan, I'd take the bad with the ridiculous amount of good without any complaints. 
yea but as he gets older and loses alot of his touch hes gonna have to change his game.

point blank. he makes it harder then it has to be. reminds me of giants baseball. 

  
 
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