OFFICIAL 2010-2011 NBA PLAYOFFS THREAD : VOL. MOST. ANTICIPATED. PLAYOFFS. EVER?

Originally Posted by you big dummy

A night after getting blown out by the Heat, the Knicks bounced back by losing to the Cavaliers and snapping their 10 game losing streak

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  bounced back ..you love saying that
 
Originally Posted by you big dummy

A night after getting blown out by the Heat, the Knicks bounced back by losing to the Cavaliers and snapping their 10 game losing streak

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  bounced back ..you love saying that
 
If anyone thought he'd be THIS good?

They'd be full of crap.

I might be preparing to put my flame-suit on, but I think he's just a stat machine. I don't see this guy as even being close to one of the best forwards in the game.

Probably the best as far as stats go, but this isn't a guy who's going to carry a franchise, and a guy who's going to win you games.

Kind of like a Zach Randolph, without being a goddamn idiot.
 
If anyone thought he'd be THIS good?

They'd be full of crap.

I might be preparing to put my flame-suit on, but I think he's just a stat machine. I don't see this guy as even being close to one of the best forwards in the game.

Probably the best as far as stats go, but this isn't a guy who's going to carry a franchise, and a guy who's going to win you games.

Kind of like a Zach Randolph, without being a goddamn idiot.
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

If anyone thought he'd be THIS good?

They'd be full of crap.

I might be preparing to put my flame-suit on, but I think he's just a stat machine. I don't see this guy as even being close to one of the best forwards in the game.

Probably the best as far as stats go, but this isn't a guy who's going to carry a franchise, and a guy who's going to win you games.

Kind of like a Zach Randolph, without being a goddamn idiot.
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pretty much. probably never get that superstar status, but will do a lot of damage when playing
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

If anyone thought he'd be THIS good?

They'd be full of crap.

I might be preparing to put my flame-suit on, but I think he's just a stat machine. I don't see this guy as even being close to one of the best forwards in the game.

Probably the best as far as stats go, but this isn't a guy who's going to carry a franchise, and a guy who's going to win you games.

Kind of like a Zach Randolph, without being a goddamn idiot.
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pretty much. probably never get that superstar status, but will do a lot of damage when playing
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Why San Antonio always gotta mess with teams and let them back in, make me think they got a chance to lose, and then stay on top?
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The Mavs do the same %$+# every night... Run up a 20 point lead and give it back near the end of the game.
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Why San Antonio always gotta mess with teams and let them back in, make me think they got a chance to lose, and then stay on top?
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The Mavs do the same %$+# every night... Run up a 20 point lead and give it back near the end of the game.
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

If anyone thought he'd be THIS good?

They'd be full of crap.

I might be preparing to put my flame-suit on, but I think he's just a stat machine. I don't see this guy as even being close to one of the best forwards in the game.

Probably the best as far as stats go, but this isn't a guy who's going to carry a franchise, and a guy who's going to win you games.

Kind of like a Zach Randolph, without being a goddamn idiot.
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Agreed.

That's why I asked earlier how do people value Love and Lopez because you have guys like Lee and Randolph that can do the same thing. None of them are really big difference makers. The type of rebounding they do (except Lopez) will always help the team, but its not exactly carrying the team on their back.

  
 
Originally Posted by JapanAir21

If anyone thought he'd be THIS good?

They'd be full of crap.

I might be preparing to put my flame-suit on, but I think he's just a stat machine. I don't see this guy as even being close to one of the best forwards in the game.

Probably the best as far as stats go, but this isn't a guy who's going to carry a franchise, and a guy who's going to win you games.

Kind of like a Zach Randolph, without being a goddamn idiot.
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Agreed.

That's why I asked earlier how do people value Love and Lopez because you have guys like Lee and Randolph that can do the same thing. None of them are really big difference makers. The type of rebounding they do (except Lopez) will always help the team, but its not exactly carrying the team on their back.

  
 
He should never be a teams number 1, but if he was on a good team. He would the reason you win a lot of games.
 
He should never be a teams number 1, but if he was on a good team. He would the reason you win a lot of games.
 
Dempsey: Melo's best stat is winning games

Increasingly, Carmelo Anthony's worth is being called into question.

Shot charts and efficiency ratings and possession breakdowns are the Nuggets star's new nemeses. They are being rolled out by the truckload recently to answer the question of just how much the Knicks should want Anthony when the team has started to mesh and play well without him. And that's a valid, logical query. But also increasingly, analyses is coming to the conclusion the Knicks might be just fine or better off without Anthony.

And that's head-scratching.

For years, Nuggets fans wrestled with the notion that Anthony was not quite a superstar, that he was a good player but not among the NBA's elite. Take the pulse of any sports talk radio program in the city now and it becomes clear that many still do.

And now, as the Nuggets prepare to move him to a new destination via trade, it has become en vogue in New York to not just raise the same debate but to question just how much the Knicks really need him. After all, the Wilson Chandler-Danilo Gallinari- Landry Fields combo — the three principle players mentioned in various trade combinations with the Nuggets — has been a worldbeater.

Hasn't it?

And yet, to understand what Anthony means to any potential team, we must ask the question:

What makes a star a star?

Having a nice fit, a perfect piece in the puzzle, is ideal. So we've heard about Anthony's weaknesses vs. Knicks strengths vs. what that team has accomplished to this point and what that all really means if he were to be traded there.

But here's the Knicks ultimate weakness: winning games.

And here's what Anthony has been good at: winning games.

Never in his career has he been part of a team that won fewer than 43 games. The Nuggets were 17-game winners before he arrived, and improved by 26 wins in his first season. Coming into this season in his career, Anthony's Denver teams had won 171 more regular-season games than the Knicks during the same span.

When the game is on the line, no active player in the NBA makes a higher percentage of winning shots than Anthony does. Only three active players have more game-winning shots than Anthony. And a charging call stripped him of another game-winner last week.

Stars are acquired to help win and win big. The Knicks have been decent to this point. They've been competitive. But the idea isn't to attach to a team that is decent but is by no means threatening the elite of the NBA. They are 3-5 against teams with .500 or better records and 0-3 against two of the teams they're going to have to beat in order to win the East — Boston and Miami.

Anthony averages an eye- opening 24.2 points and 6.8 rebounds in his career against teams over .500. This season those numbers are 25.0 points on 48 percent shooting and 10.1 rebounds against teams with winning records. He shows up when the lights are brightest.

His value isn't just that he's arguably the NBA's best scorer, but no matter who the defender is, no matter how the opponent junks up the defense, Anthony puts numbers up anyway. Every night. Most players can be taken out of games by elite defenders and a tricky coach. Not stars. Consistency is one of the biggest aspects of what separates those players from everyone else.

A player's shot selection can be altered. His efficiency on a basketball court can be refined. But you can't teach clutch. You can't teach a steady hand in pressurized situations. You can't teach getting a team over the hump when it counts. You can't teach average players to be a Carmelo Anthony.

You have to own your own.

Source
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Dempsey: Melo's best stat is winning games

Increasingly, Carmelo Anthony's worth is being called into question.

Shot charts and efficiency ratings and possession breakdowns are the Nuggets star's new nemeses. They are being rolled out by the truckload recently to answer the question of just how much the Knicks should want Anthony when the team has started to mesh and play well without him. And that's a valid, logical query. But also increasingly, analyses is coming to the conclusion the Knicks might be just fine or better off without Anthony.

And that's head-scratching.

For years, Nuggets fans wrestled with the notion that Anthony was not quite a superstar, that he was a good player but not among the NBA's elite. Take the pulse of any sports talk radio program in the city now and it becomes clear that many still do.

And now, as the Nuggets prepare to move him to a new destination via trade, it has become en vogue in New York to not just raise the same debate but to question just how much the Knicks really need him. After all, the Wilson Chandler-Danilo Gallinari- Landry Fields combo — the three principle players mentioned in various trade combinations with the Nuggets — has been a worldbeater.

Hasn't it?

And yet, to understand what Anthony means to any potential team, we must ask the question:

What makes a star a star?

Having a nice fit, a perfect piece in the puzzle, is ideal. So we've heard about Anthony's weaknesses vs. Knicks strengths vs. what that team has accomplished to this point and what that all really means if he were to be traded there.

But here's the Knicks ultimate weakness: winning games.

And here's what Anthony has been good at: winning games.

Never in his career has he been part of a team that won fewer than 43 games. The Nuggets were 17-game winners before he arrived, and improved by 26 wins in his first season. Coming into this season in his career, Anthony's Denver teams had won 171 more regular-season games than the Knicks during the same span.

When the game is on the line, no active player in the NBA makes a higher percentage of winning shots than Anthony does. Only three active players have more game-winning shots than Anthony. And a charging call stripped him of another game-winner last week.

Stars are acquired to help win and win big. The Knicks have been decent to this point. They've been competitive. But the idea isn't to attach to a team that is decent but is by no means threatening the elite of the NBA. They are 3-5 against teams with .500 or better records and 0-3 against two of the teams they're going to have to beat in order to win the East — Boston and Miami.

Anthony averages an eye- opening 24.2 points and 6.8 rebounds in his career against teams over .500. This season those numbers are 25.0 points on 48 percent shooting and 10.1 rebounds against teams with winning records. He shows up when the lights are brightest.

His value isn't just that he's arguably the NBA's best scorer, but no matter who the defender is, no matter how the opponent junks up the defense, Anthony puts numbers up anyway. Every night. Most players can be taken out of games by elite defenders and a tricky coach. Not stars. Consistency is one of the biggest aspects of what separates those players from everyone else.

A player's shot selection can be altered. His efficiency on a basketball court can be refined. But you can't teach clutch. You can't teach a steady hand in pressurized situations. You can't teach getting a team over the hump when it counts. You can't teach average players to be a Carmelo Anthony.

You have to own your own.

Source
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