Official 2011 NFL Draft Thead Vol. Lions winning.... Niners losing...

[flasheightzero]

^ too bad jimmy didn't cover aj in their matchup, woulda been good to see, though no one was stopping that fade route in the endzone

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by FlashEightZero

^ too bad jimmy didn't cover aj in their matchup, woulda been good to see, though no one was stopping that fade route in the endzone

Nope they werent. AJ is just that good. He will be doing that to NFL DB's very soon. I really wanted to see Jimmy against Oklahoma State to compare to how Prince got ROASTED.....repeatedly.

  

 

[theone2401]

Originally Posted by FlashEightZero

^ too bad jimmy didn't cover aj in their matchup, woulda been good to see, though no one was stopping that fade route in the endzone

Nope they werent. AJ is just that good. He will be doing that to NFL DB's very soon. I really wanted to see Jimmy against Oklahoma State to compare to how Prince got ROASTED.....repeatedly.

  

 

[stickyricky34]

Not a good look for Prince. Anyone know why he decided to skip the Senior Bowl? 

 

[stickyricky34]

Not a good look for Prince. Anyone know why he decided to skip the Senior Bowl? 

 

[airblaster503]

That mock draft is one of the worst I have seen. No way in hell the Lions pick an offensive lineman in the first round, hell not even the 2nd. They are going to pick up Ayers or a corner or move back in the draft if anything.

 

[airblaster503]

That mock draft is one of the worst I have seen. No way in hell the Lions pick an offensive lineman in the first round, hell not even the 2nd. They are going to pick up Ayers or a corner or move back in the draft if anything.

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by FlashEightZero

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Bucky Brooks on Cam Newton's workout today...

Link

I want this guy at #10

feel like cam needs so much work before he can run a pro offense. didn't chizik say they only ran like 7 plays, 3 reads: 2 high safety, run, 1 high safety, run or pick a side and throw, no safety, throw. maybe it's cuz he's so big, but chinchilla's footwork just looks so slow, and he was so strong he didn't even need to do a full throwing motion, upper body alone was enough (see the short arm 4th & goal in the title game). none of that will fly in the nfl

But who is gonna ask Cam to come in right away and start?  He's a project...I think EVERYONE knows this.  Give him a year or two sitting behind a vet - learning the game, and he'll be someone to watch in 2-3 years.  There are questions surrounding every 1st round QB prospect in the 2011 draft.  There is no sure-bet, but I like Cam's upside more than anyone else who declared or is draft elgible for this year. 

 

[doublejs07]

Originally Posted by FlashEightZero

Originally Posted by DoubleJs07

Bucky Brooks on Cam Newton's workout today...

Link

I want this guy at #10

feel like cam needs so much work before he can run a pro offense. didn't chizik say they only ran like 7 plays, 3 reads: 2 high safety, run, 1 high safety, run or pick a side and throw, no safety, throw. maybe it's cuz he's so big, but chinchilla's footwork just looks so slow, and he was so strong he didn't even need to do a full throwing motion, upper body alone was enough (see the short arm 4th & goal in the title game). none of that will fly in the nfl

But who is gonna ask Cam to come in right away and start?  He's a project...I think EVERYONE knows this.  Give him a year or two sitting behind a vet - learning the game, and he'll be someone to watch in 2-3 years.  There are questions surrounding every 1st round QB prospect in the 2011 draft.  There is no sure-bet, but I like Cam's upside more than anyone else who declared or is draft elgible for this year. 

 

[air max 87]

alright no more prince, come on jimmy smith, we need a DB that help in run support.

please baby henzo god just give us a DROY of the year

 

[air max 87]

alright no more prince, come on jimmy smith, we need a DB that help in run support.

please baby henzo god just give us a DROY of the year

 

[tmay407]

Originally Posted by theone2401

How did Prince do against top talent?

   Anyway he needs to work on his technique cause he doesnt have the best hips in the world.
I'm not sure if Nebraska did this every game, but they did it against TAMU. They lined Prince up on our #2 receiver (Swope or Nwachukwu depending on the situation), and lined Dennard up on Jeff Fuller, with Cassidy rolling over the top on most plays. 
So they basically had their #1CB on our #2WR, with their #2CB + S on our #1WR.

 

[tmay407]

Originally Posted by theone2401

How did Prince do against top talent?

   Anyway he needs to work on his technique cause he doesnt have the best hips in the world.
I'm not sure if Nebraska did this every game, but they did it against TAMU. They lined Prince up on our #2 receiver (Swope or Nwachukwu depending on the situation), and lined Dennard up on Jeff Fuller, with Cassidy rolling over the top on most plays. 
So they basically had their #1CB on our #2WR, with their #2CB + S on our #1WR.

 

[statis22]

Dennard usually got safety help being the more physical guy. Prince lined up with the faster guys with little to no safety help, as seen in that Blackmon video. And I believe Blackmon got shut down in that 2nd half too.

There is no shame in getting beat by Blackmon, he was a damn good WR. Half his yards came on that flea flicker. To me his technique is the best among the top CB prospects.

 

[statis22]

Dennard usually got safety help being the more physical guy. Prince lined up with the faster guys with little to no safety help, as seen in that Blackmon video. And I believe Blackmon got shut down in that 2nd half too.

There is no shame in getting beat by Blackmon, he was a damn good WR. Half his yards came on that flea flicker. To me his technique is the best among the top CB prospects.

 

[gunna get it]

NFL has decided in favor of allowing Wes Saunders to be eligible for the 2011 draft.

Son lucked out

 

[gunna get it]

NFL has decided in favor of allowing Wes Saunders to be eligible for the 2011 draft.

Son lucked out

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

NFL has decided in favor of allowing Wes Saunders to be eligible for the 2011 draft.

Son lucked out

what happened?

and deadskins hire Rod woodson as a DB coach
  

 

[bigmike23]

Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

NFL has decided in favor of allowing Wes Saunders to be eligible for the 2011 draft.

Son lucked out

what happened?

and deadskins hire Rod woodson as a DB coach
  

 

[CP1708]

Bigmike23 wrote:

and deadskins hire Rod woodson as a DB coach
  
I read Woodson to the Raiders?????  Something change in the past couple hours? 

  

 

[CP1708]

Bigmike23 wrote:

and deadskins hire Rod woodson as a DB coach
  
I read Woodson to the Raiders?????  Something change in the past couple hours? 

  

 

[bigmike23]

NVM i cant read is all

 

[bigmike23]

NVM i cant read is all

 

[doublejs07]

Mikel Leshoure from Shutdown Corner...

Pros: For his size, (6-foot, 230 pounds), Leshoure displays excellent first-step burst off the snap, and he can take the ball off-tackle with the right blocking. Acceleration allows him to be an effective runner on delays and draws. Excellent runner in space; his footwork on fakes and jukes is pretty remarkable for a big back. Hits the hole with authority and cuts back quickly into gaps; can be a rotational "one-cut-and-go" back at the next level because he sees openings quickly and hits them decisively.

Much faster than he looks, and those front-line cuts transfer well into space, where he can be a real problem for linebackers and defensive backs. Tough to outrun once he builds up a head of steam. Especially powerful on zone slides, where he can go with the momentum and blast through to the second level. Good receiver with a decent grasp of routes common to his position.

Cons: Runs with an upright stance that is generally a problem for power backs in the NFL, and his stature as a man among boys from a physical perspective could have his rushing power oversold on college tape. Though Leshoure can bop off initial tackles, he doesn't possess the kind of consistent leg drive that will allow him to fight for extra yards after he's wrapped up.

Serious bursts and dips in production from game to game points to an inconsistency question that still needs to be answered. Missed time in 2008 after his jaw was broken in a fight with a teammate, and was suspended for violating team rules in 2009. Really caught on with a different level of focus in 2010, though. Still learning the finer points of blocking.

Conclusion: Straight power backs are a dime a dozen, but Leshoure has a far more interesting skill set. Though he has the kind of physical stature common to the LeGarrette Blounts of the world, Leshoure is more of a hybrid player in that he brings a burst at the first level but doesn't really push defenders back.

The concerns are two for him, and one can be addressed at the scouting combine -- if he runs in the mid-fours in the 40-yard dash, he'll be seen as a Ryan Mathews(notes) type and most likely be taken in the mid-first round. If he flashes a slower time, that could fold into the other potential issue -- that his lack of post-contact power will be more of a problem in the NFL. Few players in this draft have more riding on their combine and Pro Day performances. The Lynch comparison bets the over, but Leshoure seems to be on a pretty serious upswing.

NFL Comparison: Marshawn Lynch(notes), Seattle Seahawks



mid 1st round you say....hmmm

 

[doublejs07]

Mikel Leshoure from Shutdown Corner...

Pros: For his size, (6-foot, 230 pounds), Leshoure displays excellent first-step burst off the snap, and he can take the ball off-tackle with the right blocking. Acceleration allows him to be an effective runner on delays and draws. Excellent runner in space; his footwork on fakes and jukes is pretty remarkable for a big back. Hits the hole with authority and cuts back quickly into gaps; can be a rotational "one-cut-and-go" back at the next level because he sees openings quickly and hits them decisively.

Much faster than he looks, and those front-line cuts transfer well into space, where he can be a real problem for linebackers and defensive backs. Tough to outrun once he builds up a head of steam. Especially powerful on zone slides, where he can go with the momentum and blast through to the second level. Good receiver with a decent grasp of routes common to his position.

Cons: Runs with an upright stance that is generally a problem for power backs in the NFL, and his stature as a man among boys from a physical perspective could have his rushing power oversold on college tape. Though Leshoure can bop off initial tackles, he doesn't possess the kind of consistent leg drive that will allow him to fight for extra yards after he's wrapped up.

Serious bursts and dips in production from game to game points to an inconsistency question that still needs to be answered. Missed time in 2008 after his jaw was broken in a fight with a teammate, and was suspended for violating team rules in 2009. Really caught on with a different level of focus in 2010, though. Still learning the finer points of blocking.

Conclusion: Straight power backs are a dime a dozen, but Leshoure has a far more interesting skill set. Though he has the kind of physical stature common to the LeGarrette Blounts of the world, Leshoure is more of a hybrid player in that he brings a burst at the first level but doesn't really push defenders back.

The concerns are two for him, and one can be addressed at the scouting combine -- if he runs in the mid-fours in the 40-yard dash, he'll be seen as a Ryan Mathews(notes) type and most likely be taken in the mid-first round. If he flashes a slower time, that could fold into the other potential issue -- that his lack of post-contact power will be more of a problem in the NFL. Few players in this draft have more riding on their combine and Pro Day performances. The Lynch comparison bets the over, but Leshoure seems to be on a pretty serious upswing.

NFL Comparison: Marshawn Lynch(notes), Seattle Seahawks



mid 1st round you say....hmmm