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Just saw the face off with Jr and martinez. Good stuff. Sergio saying ima knock u out "son of a legend" and Jr saying u don't know me. Can't wait for this fight...

Max keeps introducing Jr as "son of a legend", which is true, but it kinda hurts him cuz he's trying to make his own legend. Let's see come Sept 15...
Rooting for Martinez btw....
 
That face off has me so pumped up for this fight. Im going to lay some money down of Chavez Jr. Dude has been steadily improving.
 


Chavez ain't even know how to really respond just kept saying "you'll see, you'll see" while Sergio is sitting there talking about finishing this dudes career.

:lol:.....


W: Sergio Martinez KO10
 
I can't wait for Chavez JR. vs. Martinez. That face-off was the best one they've had so far.

I'm pulling for Martinez.
 
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Weekend wrap up.

A roundup of the past week's notable boxing results from around the world:


Saturday at Berlin, Germany

Arthur Abraham W12 Robert Stieglitz
Wins a super middleweight title
Scores: 116-112 (twice), 115-113
Records: Abraham (35-3, 27 KOs); Stieglitz (42-3, 23 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Abraham's promoter, Sauerland Event, dubbed the fight "The Last Chance," and with good reason: If Abraham lost, he was probably done as a top draw and likely out of title opportunities. He had reigned as a middleweight titleholder in 10 defenses -- finishing several with huge, highlight-reel knockouts -- from 2005 until vacating his 160-pound belt in 2009 to move up in weight and join the star-studded Super Six World Boxing Classic tournament field. Picked by many to win it all, Abraham, 32, a native of Armenia based in Germany, instead was a bust.

Although he scored a sick 12th-round knockout of Jermain Taylor in their opening-round bout, Abraham was horrible for the rest of the tournament. He advanced to the semifinals on the strength of the three points he picked up for smashing Taylor, but Abraham not only lost to Andre Dirrell (via 11th-round disqualification for a sucker punch after Dirrell had slipped to the mat) and in world title fights to Carl Froch and Andre Ward, he also did virtually nothing in those bouts. He was whitewashed in uncompetitive fights and considered finished by many. He won a non-tournament bout within the time frame of the Super Six and then struggled to two wins earlier this year, but none came against top opponents. But with those wins and a good name, Abraham was tapped to challenge Stieglitz, 31, who was born in Russia but is also based in Germany. Stieglitz was making his seventh defense of the belt he won via 11th-round knockout of Karoly Balzsay in August 2009, and although he had beaten some decent opponents during his reign, Abraham was his most notable opponent.

With a crowd of some 14,000 at the O2 World arena, Abraham and Stieglitz produced a memorable fight. There was good back and forth and a lot of clean punching throughout the bout, which was competitive all the way. With everything on the line for him, Abraham pulled out the victory to claim a title in his second weight division in an exciting and very closely contested bout that was staged in Abraham's adopted hometown. As usual, Abraham started slowly as the busier Stieglitz seemed to claim many of the early rounds. But by the fifth round, Abraham found a bit of a rhythm. There was no way he was going to throw more shots than Stieglitz, but Abraham's blows were clearly the heavier shots. He landed a lot of hard right hands that Stieglitz took surprisingly well. Stieglitz bounced back in the last few rounds. (He had Abraham backing into the ropes during the eighth and ninth.) But Stieglitz was also cut around both eyes. In the 10th round, referee Joe Cortez called time to have the cut over Stieglitz's right eye examined by the ringside doctor. The fighters finished with a flourish, with a lot of action in the 11th and 12th rounds. Abraham got the nod, although the margins on the two 116-112 scorecards may have been a tad wide.

Frankly, this thing could have gone either way in a closely scored fight. Even a draw would have been perfectly legit. But Abraham got the job done in his best performance in quite some time. Stieglitz didn't complain about the decision, showing class when he said, "I have made a lot of mistakes today, and from Round 7 onwards I wasn't able to see properly through my left eye. Nevertheless, I continued fighting, but it just wasn't meant to be." At some point, it would be great to see these guys have a rematch. That is highly unlikely to happen right away, but Sauerland Event has already announced that Abraham will make his first defense of his new belt on Dec. 15 against an opponent to be determined.



Saturday at Tulum, Mexico

Roberto Ortiz TKO2 Florencio Castellano
Junior welterweight
Records: Ortiz (26-0-1, 22 KOs); Castellano (16-7, 13 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Ortiz, 26, of Mexico, continued to build his glossy record against weak opposition, but at least he takes care of his business in impressive fashion. He did it again in the headline bout of Golden Boy's Fox Deportes show, taking Castellano apart before scoring two knockdowns in the second round to finish him. The first came courtesy of a flurry of shots -- especially a right hand that looked like it landed on top of the head. Castellano was up by referee Frank Gentile's count of five, but there was still a minute left in the round. Given Ortiz's aggressiveness, Castellano was in big trouble. Ortiz landed some solid shots, including a right hand that badly wobbled Castellano and sent him staggering into a corner, where he fell after eating a left hand. As one of his cornermen was jumping on the ring apron, Gentile waived off the fight at 2 minutes, 27 seconds.

Ortiz remains untested, but he has quite a crowd-pleasing style and has been very busy (this was his fourth fight of the year). It would be great to see him again -- but against a legitimate opponent who could fight back at least a little. Castellano lost his second fight in a row by early knockout; he was knocked out in the first round by undefeated former junior lightweight and junior featherweight titlist Joan Guzman in November.

Raul Martinez TKO3 Juan Jimenez
Bantamweight
Records: Martinez (29-2, 17 KOs); Jimenez (10-4, 9 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Martinez, 30, of San Antonio, was a top prospect who became a quality flyweight and junior bantamweight. But he never could get over the hump, losing both of his shots at a world title. In 2009, Nonito Donaire blew him out, dropping him four times en route to a fourth-round knockout. In October 2011, Martinez faced Rodrigo Guerrero in a rematch of a previous split decision win (in a title eliminator) for a vacant junior bantamweight belt and got dropped before losing via sixth-round technical decision when he suffered a bad cut from an accidental head-butt and couldn't continue.

Making his return from the 10-month layoff, Martinez took care of business in bloody style. Martinez had looked good in the first two rounds and then, just like that, ended it in the third. He landed a stiff straight right hand that nailed Jimenez in the face. Jimenez's mouthpiece came out and he went down face first. Blood was pouring from Jimenez's nose, and referee Rafael Mendoza didn't bother to finish the count, stopping it 37 seconds into the round. Jimenez still looked dazed while blood was raining onto his chest and he was helped back to his corner. A nice comeback win for Martinez as Jimenez, 20, of Mexico, dropped to 3-3 in his past six bouts.

Gilberto Ramirez W10 Richard Gutierrez
Middleweight
Scores: 100-90 (three times)
Records: Ramirez (23-0, 19 KOs); Gutierrez (26-10-1, 16 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Ramirez, a 21-year-old southpaw prospect from Mexico, is 6-foot-2. Compare that to the 5-8 Gutierrez, a former fringe welterweight contender who has served as a stepping-stone foe for many fighters. Gutierrez has lost to such opponents as Zaurbek Baysangurov (now a junior middleweight titlist), former welterweight titleholder Joshua Clottey, Alfredo Angulo, Luis Carlos Abregu, Yudel Jhonson, Jonathan Gonzalez and Vanes Martirosyan. So it came as no surprise that Ramirez routed Gutierrez, pitching the clean shutout. Gutierrez, 34, a native of Colombia living in Miami, was content to get smacked around for 10 rounds and go the distance as he lost his sixth fight in a row.



Saturday at Fairfield, Calif.

Alan Sanchez TKO10 Manuel Leyva
Welterweight
Records: Sanchez (11-2-1, 5 KOs); Leyva (21-8, 12 KOs)

Rafael's remarks: Sanchez, 21, of Fairfield, Calif., who was fighting in front of his hometown crowd and headlining Telefutura's "Solo Boxeo," was in command of this one-sided thrashing all the way. Although he neglected his jab, the taller Sanchez, who went past the eighth round for the first time, landed a lot of combinations and dished out quite a bit of punishment to the game Leyva. Leyva's best moment came in the sixth round when he bent Sanchez over with a couple of hard left hands to his gut. But Sanchez shook them off and, in the seventh round, had Leyva reeling from his punches. Also in the seventh, Leyva suffered a bloody cut on his hairline off an accidental head-butt. Sanchez had a big ninth round, and the only question was whether Leyva -- whose face was beginning to show signs of a damaging fight -- would be able to make it to the final bell. He didn't, because Sanchez was laying it on him in the 10th round and breaking him down with an accumulation of punishment when Leyva finally went down as referee Dan Stell was stepping in to stop the fight at 1 minute, 16 seconds. Leyva, a 29-year-old southpaw who was born in Mexico but lives in Downey, Calif., lost for the seventh time in his past eight fights, with six of those defeats coming by way of knockout.



Friday at Indio, Calif.

Randy Caballero W10 Manuel Roman
Bantamweight
Scores: 97-92, 96-93 (twice) Records: Caballero (16-0, 8 KOs); Roman (15-2-3, 6 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: When Caballero, 21, of Coachella, Calif., made his debut on Showtime's "ShoBox: The New Generation" in March, he struggled at times during a 10-round unanimous decision victory against Jose Luis Araiza. Returning two fights later to headline the series, Caballero, a former U.S. national amateur champion, looked better against a fresher opponent in Roman. Fighting for the 10th time in front of the hometown fans at the Fantasy Springs Resort Casino, Caballero put together a well-rounded and professional performance to take care of Roman. He dictated the pace of the fight and thoroughly outboxed Roman. Caballero outlanded him 25-6 in the first round, according to CompuBox statistics, and then scored a knockdown in the second round when he landed a beautiful four-punch combination: two left jabs, then a right and a left hook to finish it. Roman was rattled, but he made it to his feet quickly. There were still about 30 seconds left in the round, and Caballero went after him. He was clearly gunning for the stoppage, but Roman was game and made it out of the round. Still, Roman was never really in the fight, despite some credit he got on two of the 96-93 scorecards for landing a few solid blows. It was basically all Caballero in a good performance that saw him go the 10-round distance for the second time.

Roman, 24, of Paramount, Calif., who hurt Caballero with a low blow at the end of the seventh round and was warned by referee Pat Russell, dropped to 1-2-1 in his past four bouts. In addition to Caballero winning his fight, younger brother Ryan Caballero, a junior featherweight, won a unanimous four-round decision in his pro debut against Manuel Machorro.

Mike Perez W10 Fidel Maldonado
Lightweight
Scores: 97-92, 95-94 Perez, 95-94
Records: Perez (17-1-1, 10 KOs); Maldonado (13-2, 11 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: On paper, this "ShoBox" co-feature on Showtime was an interesting sort of must-win fight for a pair of prospects who have seen their stock drop in recent months. In January, Perez, 22, a Puerto Rican from Newark, N.J., and a former National Golden Gloves champion, suffered his first defeat when he was stopped in the sixth round by Omar Figueroa, another undefeated prospect. Perez bounced back for an easy win in Puerto Rico in June before stepping in with Maldonado, a southpaw who was coming off his first defeat. On April 28, Maldonado, 21, of Albuquerque, N.M., was dropped twice and stopped in the second round by the obscure Fernando Carcamo in an upset. So this was a critical fight for both young fighters, and Perez may have had the psychological edge going into the fight because he had defeated Maldonado in the amateur ranks.

Perez got off to a fast start and seemed to bank several early rounds. In the fourth round, Perez had Maldonado in some trouble. He drove him into the ropes with a hard right hand and laid on a strong body attack, which is one of Perez's best weapons. The action heated up even more in the second half of the fight as Maldonado, who had suffered a cut over his right eye from an accidental head clash in the third round, really came alive to make it a closer fight. Perez, who said afterward that he had hurt his left hand in the third or fourth round, did, however, do more overall in the bout and deserved the victory.

Still, Maldonado gave Perez a major scare in the final seconds of the bout. They had been fighting toe-to-toe when Maldonado caught Perez with a brutal body shot, followed by a combination to the head, to drop him with 14 seconds left in the fight. Perez was badly hurt and slow to get to his feet. But by the time referee Ray Corona finished the mandatory count and wiped off Perez's gloves, Maldonado didn't have a chance to get from the neutral corner to Perez to get off another punch. Given a few more seconds, Maldonado would have had a very good chance to stop Perez in a fight whose end was reminiscent of the first fight between then-super middleweight titlist Lucian Bute and Librado Andrade, who dropped Bute hard in the final seconds of their fight but never had a chance to throw another punch. Perez and Maldonado put on a very good fight, highlighted by the dramatic final seconds.



Friday at Geelong, Australia

Sam Soliman W12 Giovanni Lorenzo
Middleweight title eliminator
Scores: 118-109, 118-108, 117-110
Records: Soliman (42-11, 17 KOs); Lorenzo (31-5, 23 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Soliman, 38, of Australia, amazingly is still finding himself in important fights after all these years. Seems like he has been around forever. The former two-time super middleweight title challenger (who lost both of those fights to countryman Anthony Mundine) also has a stint on "The Contender" reality series and lost a competitive decision to a prime Winky Wright in 2005. Now, after this victory, he is a mandatory challenger for the winner of the unification fight in Germany on Saturday between Daniel Geale and Felix Sturm.

There were several competitive rounds in this bout, especially early on, before Soliman, with his awkward style, pulled away from Lorenzo, including dropping him in the 12th round. Soliman won his seventh in a row since his second loss to Mundine in 2008. Lorenzo, 31, a native of the Dominican Republic living in New York, dropped to 5-5 in his past 10 fights, including losses in each of his step-up fights. There was a 2008 loss in a title eliminator to big underdog Raul Marquez and then three defeats in title bouts -- to Sebastian Sylvester, Sturm and (in an interim title fight) to Hassan N'Dam. Lorenzo put two wins in the bank against very low-level opponents to qualify for this bout with Soliman but came away with another loss to a solid foe.
 
i just dont by that Martinez can handle chavez jr power for a full fight

who yall got dawson or ward?
 
Ward vs Dawson will be an awesome fight. Dawson has the reach and height advantages but he doesn't show a sense of urgency. With that said, I hope Andre wins. As far as Sergio and Chavez Jr goes, I hope Sergio knocks dude out but it should be a good fight.
 
Yep, I made a therad about it but it must have been demoted to the second page already.

ID - #28326
PW - nt
 
Pacman top fights for Dec. Bradley, Marquez & Cotto. Cotto def winning fought Money & now Pac.... Cotto getting dat $$$$$$$$
 
Might not be him but Cotto has been holding that date as well for his next fight. I still think Pac fights on the 10th instead of December.
 
Good read on Golovkin.

Golovkin has stars, stripes in eyes.

Gennady Golovkin already has accomplished so much as a fighter.

He was a star amateur, beating the likes of Lucian Bute, Andre Dirrell and Andy Lee and winning an Olympic silver medal for Kazakhstan at the 2004 Athens Games. As a professional, he has shown tremendous punching power with both hands on his way to winning one of the middleweight world titles in 2010.

But for as much as Golovkin, who lives in Stuttgart, Germany, with his wife and 3-year-old son, already has accomplished, he still has goals that haven't been met. The most important one to him is to attain ring stardom in the United States.


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"I want to fight in America because I realize America is the biggest boxing market and there are a lot of great fighters in my division in America," said Golovkin, who speaks Kazak, Russian, German and English, a language in which he has made huge strides in a short time. "There are good fights over in Europe, but for me the priority is to be at the top of the sport in America."

In an effort to reach that goal, Golovkin and K2 promoter Tom Loeffler began their campaign earlier this year by visiting the networks to assure executives that unlike some coddled supposed superstars, Golovkin will fight whomever they want him to face. Period.

"There are a lot of exciting opponents for him in the division, and we made it clear to HBO that they won't have any problem getting us to accept opponents," Loeffler said. "But they might have trouble getting opponents to accept fighting Gennady."

HBO, which is heavily involved in the middleweight division given its considerable investments in lineal champion Sergio Martinez and titleholder Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. -- who square off in a major HBO PPV bout in Las Vegas on Sept. 15 -- liked the idea of adding another of the world's best 160-pounders to its airwaves.

So now the next step in Golovkin's attempt to take America by storm commences at the Turning Stone Resort Casino in Verona, N.Y., on Saturday night (HBO, 9:45 ET/PT), when he will defend his belt against top-10 contender Grzegorz Proksa, the European champion from Poland who lives in England.

"Proksa is a good man and I have a lot of respect for him," Golovkin said. "He's a strong puncher and has difficult southpaw style. He's similar to Martinez with the way he keeps his hands down, but I am excited about this opportunity to fight on HBO and show my skills against a quality opponent."

Golovkin (23-0, 20 KOs) was supposed to meet Dmitiry Pirog, who was stripped of his belt for accepting the fight instead of a less lucrative mandatory defense. But Pirog ruptured a disc in his back during training for the bout and was replaced in late July by Proksa (28-1, 21 KOs) -- who will also be making his U.S. debut.

In a scheduled 12-round opening bout, former junior middleweight titlist Sergiy Dzinziruk (37-1, 24 KOs), 36, a Germany-based native of Ukraine, will face rising 23-year-old Puerto Rican prospect Jonathan Gonzalez (15-0, 13 KOs). Dzinziruk, who is undefeated as a 154-pounder, hasn't fought since he was wiped out in eight lopsided rounds challenging Martinez for the middleweight championship in March 2011.


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Grzegorz Proksa, a big-punching southpaw, avenged his only career defeat with an eighth-round TKO of Kerry Hope in July.
Proksa, 27, scored an eye-opening victory against former world titleholder Sebastian Sylvester on his turf in Germany in October. He stopped Sylvester in the third round, sending him into retirement. In his next fight, Proksa was upset, losing a majority decision to Kerry Hope in March. However, when they met in a rematch in July, Proksa emphatically avenged the defeat by scoring an eighth-round knockout.

Golovkin, 30, knows that a strong showing against a quality opponent such as Proksa will start the ball rolling for him in the U.S.

"This is my first fight in America, my first fight on HBO," Golovkin said. "And now I have to prove my skills in the ring on this type of platform."

Golovkin, of course, hopes to win Saturday and eventually fight the Martinez-Chavez winner. He also has interest in the winner of Saturday's unification bout in Germany between Felix Sturm -- who owes Golovkin a long overdue mandatory fight -- and Daniel Geale.

"It doesn't matter who I fight in the middleweight division. My dream fight is to fight the winner of Chavez and Martinez, but there are so many other middleweights out there," Golovkin said. "I've been the mandatory for Sturm for so long. [Top contender] Peter Quillin's name has come up. I'll fight anyone in the middleweight division."

None of the top names have ever called out Golovkin, though. Maybe that's because several of them -- Chavez, Saul "Canelo" Alvarez, Alfredo Angulo, Quillin and even Shane Mosley -- have seen enough of him during sparring sessions in the past.

"He's worked with a lot of the big names," trainer Abel Sanchez said. "I can't keep anyone in the gym at his weight, so we sparred for this fight with light heavyweights and cruiserweights. We went through, like, eight, 10 sparring partners."

Golovkin has scored 10 consecutive knockouts, some of the highlight-reel variety, and no opponent has heard the final bell against him since an eight-rounder in 2008. For example, Golovkin, who said he never has been knocked down as a pro or amateur, defended his title against Philadelphia's Lajuan Simon in December. Simon never had been stopped in any of his three previous losses, yet Golovkin knocked him out clean with one punch in the first round.

"Gennady has a naturally exciting style," Loeffler said. "He doesn't look for a knockout, but because he has so much knockout power in both hands he always comes forward and stops his opponents. We're looking for him to produce exciting knockouts in the States. When the American fans are exposed to that style, they will gain an appreciation for him and that will increase his popularity over here in America."

Golovkin, however, downplays his growing reputation as a knockout artist.

"This is boxing, so maybe this fight will go to a decision," he said. "I'm prepared whether it is a knockout of a decision. In boxing, you can never predict, but I believe it will be a knockout. I have good power in both hands, but my focus is on boxing smart and if the knockout comes, it's a great result."

Sanchez, who has been with Golovkin for three years and six fights, is more willing to make a prediction.


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"This is the most difficult fight to date for him, not only with me as his trainer but in his career," Sanchez said. "Proksa has a difficult style, but I think Gennady will make him look very ordinary. As long as he does what he's been doing in the gym, he's gonna hurt Proksa and stop him in the middle of the fight."

Sanchez -- who has trained fighters such as Hall of Famer Terry Norris, former heavyweight titlist Samuel Peter, former junior middleweight titleholder Yory Boy Campas and former lightweight titlist Miguel Angel Gonzalez -- is very high on Golovkin.

"I explained to him a year and a half ago that if he gave me what I needed in the gym, he would be the best fighter I've ever worked with," Sanchez said. "At this point, he is on the level of Norris, and we have just scratched the surface. It's a pleasure to work with him because he's somebody who wants to work hard."

Their union was somewhat random. Three years ago, Golovkin's then-manager brought him to the U.S. looking for a trainer and a gym to work at. One of them was Sanchez's gym in Big Bear, Calif.

"We met, talked, had dinner, looked at some videos and we clicked," Sanchez said. "When they left, they said, 'See you in a couple of months.' So you know what that meant. But sure enough, two months later I get a call on a Saturday and they said, 'He'll be in on Sunday. Can you pick him up at the airport?' Since then, we've been together.

"What we started then is beginning to come to fruition -- that he could be the best middleweight in the world."
 
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