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Official 2017 Knicks Offseason thread, Phil Jackson gone
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Knicks’ new offense revealed: It’s not Phil Jackson’s triangle
By Marc Berman October 22, 2016
As Knicks center Willy Hernangomez corralled a rebound in Brooklyn on Thursday, he fed a short outlet to Justin Holiday in the backcourt and then took a couple of slow steps upcourt.
Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek flew out of his seat and stomped his shoes against the court. The message: Faster!
The biggest thing about Hornacek’s new hybrid offense is the organization prefers no name for it — nor does it want Knicks superfan Spike Lee to film a documentary on it.
Hornacek has referred to it as “triangle aspects,” but this is more “Triangle On Speed.” This is not your Kurt Rambis/Phil Jackson triangle.
And after the Knicks scored 100-plus points in five of their six preseason games and soared in “pace stats,” Hornacek seemed satisfied. As the Knicks open the season Tuesday with a rusty Derrick Rose, Hornacek admitted the club may play more open court than triangle early on since his star point guard wasn’t around for 16 days to master it.
Last season, the Knicks averaged 96 possession per 48 minutes. This preseason, that number rose to 104 possessions.
“You saw what happens when we pushed the ball and got in the open court,” Hornacek said. “We got easy baskets. Guys are trying to push the ball. Certain groups will be faster than others.”
The coach and his players refer to this as “the early offense” — and that’s no triangle.
Roland Lazenby, Jackson’s biographer, said Hornacek’s attempt at updating Jackson’s triangle isn’t all that dissimilar to Steve Kerr’s philosophy in Golden State, keeping some principles he learned under the Zen Master.
One NBA scout who has seen the Knicks said it is similar to what San Antonio runs.
“The only thing I can tell you is that their early offense is the same thing over half the teams in the league run — San Antonio’s ‘strong’ action that many teams have copied,” the scout told The Post. “Swing, swing, pin, stagger away. Nothing elaborate, just trying to emphasize movement and screening away from the ball.”
Kristaps Porzingis and Carmelo Anthony never seemed too enthused with the full-blown triangle, so both players have endorsed Hornacek’s re-creation.
“We’re playing much [faster],” Porzingis said. “We have early offense now, and we’re adding some good things that will help shooters and spread the court and get wide-open lay-ups after pick-and-rolls. I like the offense a lot. I think we need to polish it, make it really sharp.”
Scouts say the Knicks are mixing it up after point guard Brandon Jennings, who usually is the backup, speeds into the frontcourt, letting their players’ skills shine. It’s not just a Mike D’Antoni-esque high pick-and-roll.
“There’s a trailing big and the other big runs down the floor fast and gets early position in the post, and we go from there,” Porzingis said. “Pass, screen, roll.”
Holiday said: “That’s the first thing we want to do is push the ball and attack the team offensively.”
So where does the triangle come in? Hornacek said slowdown situations call for the triangle, though he wants the Knicks to run after makes, too. Also, after an open-court sequence doesn’t materialize into a shot, he wants the triangle spacing. Hornacek said the triangle’s usage will vary game to game.
But Celtics coach Brad Stevens hasn’t seen much of it.
“From what I can tell, they’re doing a lot of triangle stuff off dead balls or ATOs [after timeouts],” Stevens said. “What I see, off makes and misses, they’re trying to get down the floor and staying in space, play off spreads and movements and utilize their skills.”
Phil JacksonPhoto: Bill Kostroun
Rose huddled with Hornacek for a few hours Friday in his return from his civil trial for sexual assault. Hornacek tried not to add too much new material while Rose was gone.
“I think it’s going to be a game-to-game [thing], how the flow of it is,” Hornacek said. “When it’s a slowdown situation, we’re trying to get into those parts of it. If there are a lot of fouls that game, maybe we’re in it more than another night. If there’s less fouls, it’s more the open game.”
Anthony refused to use the words late last season, so he’s pleased pace and pick-and-roll are coming back to the Garden.
“I love it,” Anthony said. “Playing with ball in my hands. Something I always like. Last couple of years, the offense, we didn’t run the pick-and-roll. That wasn’t the type of offense we were trying to play. This is more the style of play where it calls for me to have the ball in my hands, playing pick-and-roll, figure out the defense, use mismatches. I’m all for it.”
Hornacek made the point that roster flux nowadays makes an all-triangle offense impractical because of its complexities. The Knicks ranked as having the second-most roster turnover this season based on player minutes lost.
Jackson has succumbed, even explaining why in a Shaquille O’Neal podcast, saying some players don’t have the fundamentals they used to. In other words, the ability to read defenses.
“[Hornacek] wanted to accelerate the game and play at the pace that present ballplayers like to play at and yet find a way to try and incorporate [the triangle],” Jackson said. “It’s got to be done in a way in which it doesn’t slow the game down but actually accentuates what they’re trying to do.”
Rambis declined to comment for this story. Sasha Vujacic, known to be one of the few to embrace Jackson’s system, said of the new philosophy, “It’s fun for now.
http://nypost.com/2016/10/22/knicks-new-offense-revealed-its-not-phil-jacksons-triangle/
By Marc Berman October 22, 2016
As Knicks center Willy Hernangomez corralled a rebound in Brooklyn on Thursday, he fed a short outlet to Justin Holiday in the backcourt and then took a couple of slow steps upcourt.
Knicks coach Jeff Hornacek flew out of his seat and stomped his shoes against the court. The message: Faster!
The biggest thing about Hornacek’s new hybrid offense is the organization prefers no name for it — nor does it want Knicks superfan Spike Lee to film a documentary on it.
Hornacek has referred to it as “triangle aspects,” but this is more “Triangle On Speed.” This is not your Kurt Rambis/Phil Jackson triangle.
And after the Knicks scored 100-plus points in five of their six preseason games and soared in “pace stats,” Hornacek seemed satisfied. As the Knicks open the season Tuesday with a rusty Derrick Rose, Hornacek admitted the club may play more open court than triangle early on since his star point guard wasn’t around for 16 days to master it.
Last season, the Knicks averaged 96 possession per 48 minutes. This preseason, that number rose to 104 possessions.
“You saw what happens when we pushed the ball and got in the open court,” Hornacek said. “We got easy baskets. Guys are trying to push the ball. Certain groups will be faster than others.”
The coach and his players refer to this as “the early offense” — and that’s no triangle.
Roland Lazenby, Jackson’s biographer, said Hornacek’s attempt at updating Jackson’s triangle isn’t all that dissimilar to Steve Kerr’s philosophy in Golden State, keeping some principles he learned under the Zen Master.
One NBA scout who has seen the Knicks said it is similar to what San Antonio runs.
“The only thing I can tell you is that their early offense is the same thing over half the teams in the league run — San Antonio’s ‘strong’ action that many teams have copied,” the scout told The Post. “Swing, swing, pin, stagger away. Nothing elaborate, just trying to emphasize movement and screening away from the ball.”
Kristaps Porzingis and Carmelo Anthony never seemed too enthused with the full-blown triangle, so both players have endorsed Hornacek’s re-creation.
“We’re playing much [faster],” Porzingis said. “We have early offense now, and we’re adding some good things that will help shooters and spread the court and get wide-open lay-ups after pick-and-rolls. I like the offense a lot. I think we need to polish it, make it really sharp.”
Scouts say the Knicks are mixing it up after point guard Brandon Jennings, who usually is the backup, speeds into the frontcourt, letting their players’ skills shine. It’s not just a Mike D’Antoni-esque high pick-and-roll.
“There’s a trailing big and the other big runs down the floor fast and gets early position in the post, and we go from there,” Porzingis said. “Pass, screen, roll.”
Holiday said: “That’s the first thing we want to do is push the ball and attack the team offensively.”
So where does the triangle come in? Hornacek said slowdown situations call for the triangle, though he wants the Knicks to run after makes, too. Also, after an open-court sequence doesn’t materialize into a shot, he wants the triangle spacing. Hornacek said the triangle’s usage will vary game to game.
But Celtics coach Brad Stevens hasn’t seen much of it.
“From what I can tell, they’re doing a lot of triangle stuff off dead balls or ATOs [after timeouts],” Stevens said. “What I see, off makes and misses, they’re trying to get down the floor and staying in space, play off spreads and movements and utilize their skills.”
Phil JacksonPhoto: Bill Kostroun
Rose huddled with Hornacek for a few hours Friday in his return from his civil trial for sexual assault. Hornacek tried not to add too much new material while Rose was gone.
“I think it’s going to be a game-to-game [thing], how the flow of it is,” Hornacek said. “When it’s a slowdown situation, we’re trying to get into those parts of it. If there are a lot of fouls that game, maybe we’re in it more than another night. If there’s less fouls, it’s more the open game.”
Anthony refused to use the words late last season, so he’s pleased pace and pick-and-roll are coming back to the Garden.
“I love it,” Anthony said. “Playing with ball in my hands. Something I always like. Last couple of years, the offense, we didn’t run the pick-and-roll. That wasn’t the type of offense we were trying to play. This is more the style of play where it calls for me to have the ball in my hands, playing pick-and-roll, figure out the defense, use mismatches. I’m all for it.”
Hornacek made the point that roster flux nowadays makes an all-triangle offense impractical because of its complexities. The Knicks ranked as having the second-most roster turnover this season based on player minutes lost.
Jackson has succumbed, even explaining why in a Shaquille O’Neal podcast, saying some players don’t have the fundamentals they used to. In other words, the ability to read defenses.
“[Hornacek] wanted to accelerate the game and play at the pace that present ballplayers like to play at and yet find a way to try and incorporate [the triangle],” Jackson said. “It’s got to be done in a way in which it doesn’t slow the game down but actually accentuates what they’re trying to do.”
Rambis declined to comment for this story. Sasha Vujacic, known to be one of the few to embrace Jackson’s system, said of the new philosophy, “It’s fun for now.
http://nypost.com/2016/10/22/knicks-new-offense-revealed-its-not-phil-jacksons-triangle/
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I don't know about y'all but I really liked these for 1 game a year
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Rock those in 2K all the time
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im still lookin for those st patty day shorts smh. i goofed when i seen em on ebay for $70 a few years back n passed 
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That orange vs red game was terrible 
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I kinda liked those orange jerseys TBH. Too bad we never won a game in them 
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The orange joints are back
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Just for christmas thankfully hahah
- Dec 25, 2003
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I liked the orange alternates too.
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If we won a few games in the orange jerseys they might still be around
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I kinda liked those orange jerseys TBH. Too bad we never won a game in them
I love the orange jerseys.
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Porzingis wears ball shorts under his sweatpants. He's destined for greatness
- Apr 14, 2016
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Throwback to 2 years ago before I made the move to M&N jerseys only
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Your jersey game is elite
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Dis dude flood :x :x :x :x
Lord have mercy
Lord have mercy
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Wow
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We need a black alternate. subtle blue and orange. something sleek but classic. maybe with a special logo/patch. hopefully nike got something in store. and no sleeved jerseys
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well probably get a grey alt before black considering it's even in our logo anymore
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and I actually liked the Lakers Lights jerseys too . Our franchise seems set on Blue n Orange, but I wouldnt be opposed to a darker jersey, possibly involving blue n orange skylines. damn i wish I was good at PS to articulate my visual.
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