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Andre Roberson one of the premier perimeter defenders in the l too and look what he got . Lol at Dray wanting the super max. He ain't worth anything close to that
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A lot of talk about a guy who cant hit a three or make a layup
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You mean now or before? I don’t see them establishing this defensive identity over the last 5 seasons without draymond.
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Draymond has been a lot better offensively than Roberson and can cover 5 positions which is an extremely special skill. Also if Roberson were even remotely competent on O he would command a big contract.
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For Golden State, he's worth the super max. Its hard to do what they do without Draymond out there.
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Just the non Allstars without thinking about it
James Johnson
Julius Randle
Paul Milsap
Al Horford
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roberson scared to even shoot a free throw 
dudes out here disrespecting draymonds game and value to the warriors. the guys is one of the best PF in today's game
dudes out here disrespecting draymonds game and value to the warriors. the guys is one of the best PF in today's game
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How you going to name other all-stars, though?
I like the James Johnson mention. I could see it, but don't trust him leading that defense. Randle, no.
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I was talking players who weren’t Allstars this year
Edit: you sleeping on Randle defensively
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For the life of me idk why yall cats act as if you don't see why another superstar wouldn't want Lebron to join their team. We've seen James Harden literally come out in public campaigning for his MVP, He cares about individual accolades & perception too. He's in his prime, about to grab his first MVP, & just pushed the Warriors to seven..... there's a very big chance he feels he doesn't need Lebron. And knowing how the media treats him & knowing how former AS caliber players have had to change their games to be able to fit with bron..... why would Harden be in love with that idea.
Lebron Comes and it's his squad, Harden is his sidekick, All his accomplishments get touted to Brons Greatness.... any failures will be on him & CP3
see: Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love
Lebron Comes and it's his squad, Harden is his sidekick, All his accomplishments get touted to Brons Greatness.... any failures will be on him & CP3
see: Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love
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Someone needs to pry neck tat away from Miami. He’s a championship piece
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Who you are as a basketball player is definitely not set in stone. There are a ton of guys that get significantly better in years 3, 4, 5, and beyond.
Gilbert Arenas, Dirk Nowitzky, Nick Van Exel, Deandre Jordan, Ben Wallace, Chauncey Billups, Westbrook, Kevin Love, Kawhi Leonard...the list is extremely long.
Also- 5-10% better is pretty arbitrary, I get what you're saying but measuring the impact of a skills trainer can be pretty difficult.
My original statement was that other skills trainers are highly critical of Drew and his methods and they have better clients than he does.
My original statement was also that Hanlen doesn't tolerate any criticism of his work, even when the criticism is warranted. It's pretty lame.
The fact that Hanlen can concoct an impressive workout for scouts watching Mo Bamba and propel him to the top 3 picks also says next to nothing about Hanlen's actual skill as a trainer. You're saying the vast majority of guys get 5-10% better, Bamba is only 2 months removed from college. In that small window, I'm supposed to believe than Hanlen has Harnessed the kid's preternatural talents and made him that much better? I'm not buying that.
In any regard, you can argue that a lot of these guys can work with their unemployed cousins and make the same "5-10%" gains.
Hanlen is Herbalife.
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I think Randle is good defensively. I just think offensively, he's too much of a post player/face up guy and can't extend the defense. Draymond already struggled extending it, but Randle is non existent. I don't even think he took 50 3's last year
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With all the space he would see with Klay, Kd and Steph he wouldn’t need to post up. Plus he’s a way better finisher than Green.
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He's obviously not a 3 point shooter that will stretch the D, but almost nobody can guard him anywhere else on the floor. I can't believe I just typed that sentence about him, but he was that good in the 2nd half of last season.
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Matter of fact, if I’m lebron I’m pushing for the co-GM where ever he goes to trade for neck tat. He’s a perfect compliment to lebron
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Sap getting 30Ms a year, Horford got maxed, and Randle would be too if LA didn’t jerk his mins around and he still might anyway.
Johnson’s superior scoring is dwarfed by Dray’s defensive value.
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There are other facets of the game that heavily influence the end result and are equally as necessary for a title run.
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Don't think the argument is that he won't get maxed. Lots of dumb GM's that throw money around. Question is should warriors give him the max. The warriors going to have to let him walk.
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You got it champ
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I've often felt like Draymond is what makes GSW close to unbeatable. He's the one that can guard 1-5, contain switches, rebound, no one else on the team can do that. Their Hampton 5 death small ball lineup can't work if Dray can't competently protect the rim and guard littles.
That being said, once KD came aboard it changes things. I probably would have paid Dray the max if KD never came. But 200+ Ms to a guy who's on a team with Klay, Steph, and KD is kind of ridiculous. For that price, you're better off trying to see if Jordan Bell can become close to Draymond or try to find a diamond in the rough somewhere or something.
That being said, once KD came aboard it changes things. I probably would have paid Dray the max if KD never came. But 200+ Ms to a guy who's on a team with Klay, Steph, and KD is kind of ridiculous. For that price, you're better off trying to see if Jordan Bell can become close to Draymond or try to find a diamond in the rough somewhere or something.
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When did he say this? Link to article. Because I remember detailing an article for how the Miami move was planned years before the offseason and how the Cavs used Z's jersey retirement as a tactic to lure LeBron back to Cleveland in 2014.
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Must be nice, KD
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