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get the **** outta here
OFFICIAL 2018 New York Yankees Offseason Thread: We Need Pitching
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get the **** outta here
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**** outta here
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Thought Gary had it, **** I thought he had it. GT gotta beat that out, we had our shot. We blew it. We ****in blew it. I'm sick as **** right now.
Can't wait for Houston to beat the **** out of this bum *** trash team. **** them .
Can't wait for Houston to beat the **** out of this bum *** trash team. **** them .
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And we better not see Stanton back next year, do anything to have LA take him
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Corny *** redsox fan couldn’t wait to post that **** in here.
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Yeah I mean we had so many opportunities even in game 1. Bats didn't show up when we needed them most
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good series, brehs. always tense
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I guess I’ll start a write up
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**** Stanton. BUM. get him outta here
**** Gary too. swinging at absolute garbage. coulda been on first three times
**** Gary too. swinging at absolute garbage. coulda been on first three times
air spider 777
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Damn fellas this series hurt.
And just want to say, I miss Joe Girardi.
And just want to say, I miss Joe Girardi.
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Terrible AB from Stanton but it was better than a ground ball
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Gary was trash today and game 3.
He would have been a ****in legend if that ball got out.
Stanton swinging at absolute **** too.
Had their ****in chances and blew it. Looked like ****in ****. ****
He would have been a ****in legend if that ball got out.
Stanton swinging at absolute **** too.
Had their ****in chances and blew it. Looked like ****in ****. ****
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I'm sick right now.
I deadass just wanna be alone.
I mean...
****.
I deadass just wanna be alone.
I mean...
****.
bsv2.0
formerly bigsexyvic
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I miss Joe Torre
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i’m done with this team for as long as stanton is on the roster he’s absolutely useless.
need a 5 run lead or down 10 for him to do anything
need a 5 run lead or down 10 for him to do anything
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So corbin and kuechel are the top 2 ptichers on the market? Ehhh
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I hope we go all out this off season and spend like the old days.
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I just realized Andujar didn’t get an AB in the 9th!
And why is a bat like his not even called up? You play Neil Walker instead!?!? Boone has got to go!! Along with Stanton!
And why is a bat like his not even called up? You play Neil Walker instead!?!? Boone has got to go!! Along with Stanton!
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What did Pittsburg wanted for Cole again?
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Even with the year Andujar had; Yankees shouldn’t have been stubborn with Pittsburgh with Cole (could easily became another Gray (can’t handle the pressure) and get bombed in the AL east but who knows); didn’t have a starter go past 4 Innings in the PS besides Tanaka, they wanted Andujar, Frazier (turning 25 next sept) and Adams in which Frazier and Adams regressed (and those peices won’t get you quality talent anymore)
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Well I started writing then it got deleted. Don't feel like doing it again, so I'll try to sum it up quickly just for Starting Pitching.
There's 3 guys who are guarantees for the rotation: Severino, Tanaka & Sheffield (likely in May)
We need to carry 6 starters, and whoever is not in the 5, still should be getting 15 - 20 starts = 2-3 per month.
Severino -
He was an Ace in the first half, and fell off in the second half. He could be tipping his pitches, or he just ran out of gas. But he needs another offseason with Pedro. I think the main issue is he had a really ineffective change up. His fastball and slider are elite when it's on. And he didn't have any drop in velocity, but his change up was a negative grade. In order for Severino to have consistent success, he has to be able to mix at the very least an average change up in with the Fastball & Slider. It's difficult enough to be an Ace. It's even more difficult if you're trying to do it on two pitches.
Tanaka -
He was pretty consistent. But in the 2nd half, he was who we need him to be. His homeruns are down a bit. But the main reason for his success, is that he's throwing the slider more. The only down side is his slider & splitter are 2/3 of his pitches. With that many offspeed / breaking pitches, you're bound to throw a few flat ones. That's why he's always been susceptible to the long ball. And it typically it seems like it comes one of three times. In the first. Randomly the 4th or 5th. Or when he's down in the 7th. Where we get lucky is he doesn't put a lot of guys on base.
Sheffield -
31st ranked prospect. 4th LHP. He doesn't have light them up stuff. But he mixes his pitches well. He pitched as good in AAA as he did in AA. I think Yankees may have him throw in Spring Training. Start him in the minors, and bring him up a few weeks in or in May like they did with Gleyber.
Now how do we fix the starters? It comes from 3 questions
1. CC or JA?
2. Corbin or Keuchel?
3. Trade Package?
1. CC or JA?
The answer for this is who takes a 1 year deal. JA pitched well all year, and was lights out in Aug & Sept for us. He's only 35. So he may be able to find a 2-3 year deal somewhere, even if it's only on the strength of what he did for us. I like JA, but I don't want to commit multiple years to him.
Everyone was happy CC came back because he had a great 2017. He got a lot of crap this year, but he was nearly identical statistically in many areas. CC isn't going for a multi year deal. He was able to adapt again, and now is incorporating a really good cutter. Back end of the rotation, for 1 year, I'm fine with that. Because I think CC will be cheaper and less years than Happ
2. Corbin or Keuchel?
Both lefties.
Keuchel has already played his 30 season. His strike outs are down, Swinging strikes are down. His fastball value is down, his slider value is really down. Now I'm not concerned too much because Keuchel is a good pitcher, and isn't relying on velocity, and think he can regain his form. But I also would think he's going to be loyal to Houston. It's one thing to pay premium price for a FA pitcher. It's another thing to pay premium price plus some to buy loyalty and he's on the other side of 30.
Corbin was helped by a monster slider. It really even boosted his fastball. Like Keuchel, he doesn't rely on velocity. It's all about location and killer breaking stuff. It'll be the first year of his 30s next year.
Last year Arrieta got 3 year / $75mil. Darvish got 6 year / $125mil
A few years ago Cueto got 6year / $130mil. Greinke 6 year / $206mil. Zimmerman 5 year / $110mil
I'd go Corbin. Better fit. I'm higher on him than I am on Keuchel, even though both will be fine.
Somewhere between Arrieta's deal and Cueto's deal. 5 year / $120mil to go after Corbin max, basically what we save on letting Happ go, and trading someone else. Possibly give him an option to opt out of Year 5. Allows him to go after another multi year deal elsewhere if he chooses going into his 35 season. Would give him the 12th highest pitcher contract.
3. Trade Package?
Where we can start.... Sonny Gray, Clint Fraizer. Gray will be 29 next year. Last year of arbitration. We have no use for him, but when he's on, he has # 2 starter stuff. Just not in NY. Maybe another team will be okay taking that shot.
Clint is still a good prospect, but we have no use for him unless he comes off the bench.
Can include Greg Bird if they want to move on and go forward with Luke. As much as it sucks because we need a lefty bat, and he has so much offensive potential.
3 guys who have question marks, but a ton of potential. And we can include a ton of pitchers, most of our top 30 are pitchers. If we can find a team that takes a mixture of unproven prospects + guys who have some track record, but if it works out, you got a steal.
If we can get a 2/3 starter or better + Corbin we are in GREAT shape without much pressure on anyone.
Where I would go:
Severino - Tanaka - Corbin - Trade Package (Can't predict at all) - CC
Sheffield in the pen
There's 3 guys who are guarantees for the rotation: Severino, Tanaka & Sheffield (likely in May)
We need to carry 6 starters, and whoever is not in the 5, still should be getting 15 - 20 starts = 2-3 per month.
Severino -
He was an Ace in the first half, and fell off in the second half. He could be tipping his pitches, or he just ran out of gas. But he needs another offseason with Pedro. I think the main issue is he had a really ineffective change up. His fastball and slider are elite when it's on. And he didn't have any drop in velocity, but his change up was a negative grade. In order for Severino to have consistent success, he has to be able to mix at the very least an average change up in with the Fastball & Slider. It's difficult enough to be an Ace. It's even more difficult if you're trying to do it on two pitches.
Tanaka -
He was pretty consistent. But in the 2nd half, he was who we need him to be. His homeruns are down a bit. But the main reason for his success, is that he's throwing the slider more. The only down side is his slider & splitter are 2/3 of his pitches. With that many offspeed / breaking pitches, you're bound to throw a few flat ones. That's why he's always been susceptible to the long ball. And it typically it seems like it comes one of three times. In the first. Randomly the 4th or 5th. Or when he's down in the 7th. Where we get lucky is he doesn't put a lot of guys on base.
Sheffield -
31st ranked prospect. 4th LHP. He doesn't have light them up stuff. But he mixes his pitches well. He pitched as good in AAA as he did in AA. I think Yankees may have him throw in Spring Training. Start him in the minors, and bring him up a few weeks in or in May like they did with Gleyber.
Now how do we fix the starters? It comes from 3 questions
1. CC or JA?
2. Corbin or Keuchel?
3. Trade Package?
1. CC or JA?
The answer for this is who takes a 1 year deal. JA pitched well all year, and was lights out in Aug & Sept for us. He's only 35. So he may be able to find a 2-3 year deal somewhere, even if it's only on the strength of what he did for us. I like JA, but I don't want to commit multiple years to him.
Everyone was happy CC came back because he had a great 2017. He got a lot of crap this year, but he was nearly identical statistically in many areas. CC isn't going for a multi year deal. He was able to adapt again, and now is incorporating a really good cutter. Back end of the rotation, for 1 year, I'm fine with that. Because I think CC will be cheaper and less years than Happ
2. Corbin or Keuchel?
Both lefties.
Keuchel has already played his 30 season. His strike outs are down, Swinging strikes are down. His fastball value is down, his slider value is really down. Now I'm not concerned too much because Keuchel is a good pitcher, and isn't relying on velocity, and think he can regain his form. But I also would think he's going to be loyal to Houston. It's one thing to pay premium price for a FA pitcher. It's another thing to pay premium price plus some to buy loyalty and he's on the other side of 30.
Corbin was helped by a monster slider. It really even boosted his fastball. Like Keuchel, he doesn't rely on velocity. It's all about location and killer breaking stuff. It'll be the first year of his 30s next year.
Last year Arrieta got 3 year / $75mil. Darvish got 6 year / $125mil
A few years ago Cueto got 6year / $130mil. Greinke 6 year / $206mil. Zimmerman 5 year / $110mil
I'd go Corbin. Better fit. I'm higher on him than I am on Keuchel, even though both will be fine.
Somewhere between Arrieta's deal and Cueto's deal. 5 year / $120mil to go after Corbin max, basically what we save on letting Happ go, and trading someone else. Possibly give him an option to opt out of Year 5. Allows him to go after another multi year deal elsewhere if he chooses going into his 35 season. Would give him the 12th highest pitcher contract.
3. Trade Package?
Where we can start.... Sonny Gray, Clint Fraizer. Gray will be 29 next year. Last year of arbitration. We have no use for him, but when he's on, he has # 2 starter stuff. Just not in NY. Maybe another team will be okay taking that shot.
Clint is still a good prospect, but we have no use for him unless he comes off the bench.
Can include Greg Bird if they want to move on and go forward with Luke. As much as it sucks because we need a lefty bat, and he has so much offensive potential.
3 guys who have question marks, but a ton of potential. And we can include a ton of pitchers, most of our top 30 are pitchers. If we can find a team that takes a mixture of unproven prospects + guys who have some track record, but if it works out, you got a steal.
If we can get a 2/3 starter or better + Corbin we are in GREAT shape without much pressure on anyone.
Where I would go:
Severino - Tanaka - Corbin - Trade Package (Can't predict at all) - CC
Sheffield in the pen
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4 straight post season losses at home vs Boston; pathetic
Bend_The_Knee
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I want Happ re-signed
I want deGrom
I want deGrom
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I’m fine either way on Happ or CC. I just don’t feel the need to commit multiple years to him.
CC being a 1 year allows us the then get Sheffield in and let Montgomery get back with us late 2019 and officially in 2020
And deGrom would be way too rich for our blood. Not a chance in hell they don’t ask for Gleyber & Andujar
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Interesting thing Yankees didn’t play Andujar in an important game, who was their best overall hitter during the whole season ; not even at DH, I guess the Yankee brass will trade him and go hard after Machado
Who’s gone for next year ?
Pretty much the same team without Lynn, Britton, Hechavarría, McCutchen
Pretty much the whole team via Farm is for arbitration (including ones traded for; Hicks/Didi/Gray)
CC will prob want one more shot, finish the year strong, let him have his Andy type moment (can live with him as #5); if Happ can do a Kuroda type like deal, nothing more (no more than 2 years Max); Throw the sink at Corbin unless you can get an Ace with a Frazier/Andujar package, pray that he doesn’t become crappy like Price, Cobb, Arieta
Is there a place for Gardner? Buy him out and give him $6M Still have to deal with the head case of Ellsbury (prob be the 4th OF by default / DH); Walker played well as UT, wanted his head cut before the emergence of Andujar/Torres, Walker played like a Pro, hopefully DRob comes back for lesser money; can deal with last year (arbitration) of Gray (as #6, LR)
Next year they should experiment with Stanton as leadoff, 3 of 9 years he eclipse 100RBIs and was injured for 2 of those years in he could have gotten 100, he is not really an RBI guy but gets paid like one, paid like one before he won MVP, he will homer with no on one base or runner on 1st, which he does best (less pressure)
Who’s gone for next year ?
Pretty much the same team without Lynn, Britton, Hechavarría, McCutchen
Pretty much the whole team via Farm is for arbitration (including ones traded for; Hicks/Didi/Gray)
CC will prob want one more shot, finish the year strong, let him have his Andy type moment (can live with him as #5); if Happ can do a Kuroda type like deal, nothing more (no more than 2 years Max); Throw the sink at Corbin unless you can get an Ace with a Frazier/Andujar package, pray that he doesn’t become crappy like Price, Cobb, Arieta
Is there a place for Gardner? Buy him out and give him $6M Still have to deal with the head case of Ellsbury (prob be the 4th OF by default / DH); Walker played well as UT, wanted his head cut before the emergence of Andujar/Torres, Walker played like a Pro, hopefully DRob comes back for lesser money; can deal with last year (arbitration) of Gray (as #6, LR)
Next year they should experiment with Stanton as leadoff, 3 of 9 years he eclipse 100RBIs and was injured for 2 of those years in he could have gotten 100, he is not really an RBI guy but gets paid like one, paid like one before he won MVP, he will homer with no on one base or runner on 1st, which he does best (less pressure)
