- Mar 29, 2008
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THIS
Official 2019 NYK offseason thread. Brooklyn knick fans check in
- Thread in 'Sports & Training' Thread starter Started by pr0phecy718,
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- Dec 1, 2012
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I would trade #3 for Beal, if we knew we were getting KD or 2 stars. Otherwise what's the point
- Jun 15, 2013
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Give me
RJ
Klay
KL
KD
Mitch
100% confident they would win year 1.
RJ
Klay
KL
KD
Mitch
100% confident they would win year 1.
- Apr 14, 2016
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- Jun 15, 2013
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I mean everyone is throwing out ridiculous lineups.
We are starting to look like the Lakers/Celtics fans.
So why not?
- Dec 7, 2006
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Regardless if we get 2 stars or not, why completely max out our cap, when RJ has the potential to be as good if not better than Beal? Rather max 2 players and fill the roster with above average talent THROUGHOUT, than fizzle like the Rockets and Thunder. The best teams have solid players 1-10 like the Bucks, Blazers, Warriors, Nuggets, Raptors, etc.
- Oct 31, 2014
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Y’all acting like D’andre Jordan isn’t coming back. He’s one of the guys that’s going to do/done the heavy recruiting for KD to begin with. M-Rob can’t play starter minutes for 82 games yet.
- Oct 31, 2014
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This is 100% correct. The only way too heavy teams work are with very cheap “old heads” that can still play big/minor roles. We have a team with no legit role players besides Mitch and maybe Dotson. We have no scorers and nothing to literally rely on. So our options really are to trade our young trash core for 3-4 role players to sign KD+1 max deal.
If we strike out of KD I’d be perfectly fine just saving money and letting the young boys milly rock.
- Sep 21, 2008
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Love how reality is setting in more and more as we approach the end of the season 
- Jul 17, 2013
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i don’t think y’all really have watched beal play especially last year and realize how good he really is, thats just me tho
Beal is just as good as anyone in this FA class not named KD or Kawhi.. (might be 3rd or 4th best player in this class if he was a FA tbh)
Personally i think outside of #1 and #2 picks, none of these prospects are cant miss to especially if you have the chance to get a bonafide all star who's only 25 with 2 more years on a fairly team-friendly contract. Even if we struck out on the big names in FA if we just added beal we would be significantly better and would be headed in the right direction. Plus he adds much needed shooting to the Knicks. Although i think RJ has the potential to be a good NBA player, yall buggin thinking thats a deal breaker if we would have to trade #3 pick for Brad Beal top 3 SG
Beal is just as good as anyone in this FA class not named KD or Kawhi.. (might be 3rd or 4th best player in this class if he was a FA tbh)
Personally i think outside of #1 and #2 picks, none of these prospects are cant miss to especially if you have the chance to get a bonafide all star who's only 25 with 2 more years on a fairly team-friendly contract. Even if we struck out on the big names in FA if we just added beal we would be significantly better and would be headed in the right direction. Plus he adds much needed shooting to the Knicks. Although i think RJ has the potential to be a good NBA player, yall buggin thinking thats a deal breaker if we would have to trade #3 pick for Brad Beal
top 3 SG
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- Jun 15, 2013
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I'm living in an alternate realm. The one where the Knicks score and are playoff bound and title contenders next year!!!Love how reality is setting in more and more as we approach the end of the season
- Jul 17, 2013
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Would love to have Kawhi here over any other FA
- Jul 13, 2005
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Who are some other trade candidates outside of Beal and AD?
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CJ?
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Yeah CJ Miles is def the missing piece
- Dec 27, 2012
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Cory Joseph?
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Just how good is RJ Barrett? A comprehensive scouting report on the Knicks’ potential draft target
It took only a few days after the Knicks landed the No. 3 pick in the NBA Draft for the belief that they would take RJ Barrett with the pick next month to form. Barrett, a Duke wing coming off a very productive freshman season, is by most accounts one of the top three players in this draft class. He has been labeled a future high pick for a few years now, leading the Canadian basketball scene as a heralded prep player before landing on the big stage.
The pick could give the Knicks an infusion of talent onto their roster and a high-level young player into their organization. While Barrett is the presumptive No. 3 pick, it’s worth finding out more about him and just how good he is and can be. Here is a detailed profile on the player who looks like he’ll become a Knick next month.
Height: 6-7
Wingspan: 6-10
Position: Wing
Recruiting class rank: 1
The per-game college line: 22.6 points/7.6 rebounds/4.3 assists/52.9 percent on 12.2 2s/30.8 percent on 6.2 3s/66.5 percent on 5.9 FTs/0.9 steals/3.2 turnovers
The Athletic scouting report: “Barrett has everything you’re looking for from a size perspective to play on the wing in the NBA. In an era where teams are on a constant hunt for size, length and athleticism on the wing, Barrett brings everything professional teams could possibly want. He’s a strong lateral athlete and a relatively explosive vertical one when he gets time and space — although these factors can be diminished when crowded. His body control and balance are sublime; even when Barrett tosses up a bad shot around the basket, it’s hard not to think the ball still has a chance to go in. More than the physical traits, though, Barrett is one of those guys who has never shown up to an event and not brought it.” — Sam Vecenie
A former NBA scout’s take:
Sam Vecenie’s breakdown on the No. 3 player on his top-100 draft board:
“At times, Barrett played selfishly this season. It would help him to change his mentality just slightly. The Knicks would want him to still be the confident player he is; they just also want him to make the confident passing reads that he made more of throughout the latter quarter of the season. Additionally, Barrett needs to work slightly on his jump shot, although I believe he’s a better shooter than what the numbers indicate largely due to shot selection. His jumper has taken tremendous strides over the last 18 months. His unflappable mentality and personality would also fit exceedingly well in New York.”
ESPN’s Mike Schmitz and Jonathan Givony: “Has prototypical size, length and frame for an NBA wing at 6-foot-7 with a 6-10 wingspan at 208 pounds. Unique athlete in terms of coordination, fluidity, body control and quickness. Plays at different speeds… Has an alpha-dog mentality and wants to win at all costs. Plays with a laser focus and is not afraid of big moments… Not a very efficient overall scorer. Very left-hand dominant. Killer mentality, aggressiveness get the best of him at times. Shot-selection and decision-making were questionable at times as a freshman, especially in late-game situations. Lack of shooting around him at Duke made it easier for opposing defenses to accentuate his weaknesses.”
What RJ Barrett says about himself:
What the numbers say:
The top-line numbers on Barrett show a rare player. No freshman has averaged 22-7-4 in a season since the 1992-93 season and only seven players have done it, period. Barrett racked up those numbers as the main offensive catalyst at Duke, chasing a national championship. He carried a heavy burden at the school and his granular numbers bore it out. While he remains a premier prospect, he ranked in the 51st percentile in points per possession in the half-court this season, according to Synergy Sports. In transition, Barrett was fierce and more efficient, not surprisingly.
In the half-court, Barrett operated best as an isolation scorer and creator. He was in the 59th percentile in 82 isolation possessions as a scorer, and that crept up to the 73rd percentile when including his passes out of isolation*. He was just average running the pick-and-roll as a ball-handler, scoring in the 49th percentile, and jumping up to the 53rd when that included passes*.
It’s Barrett’s jumper that may need the most work. He shot 31 percent on 3s at Duke and 32.8 percent over 19 games in his FIBA career (via RealGM). Barrett hit just 33.7 percent of his jump shots this season*. While he was comfortable and successful shooting off the dribble (38 percent, 64th percentile in PPP), he struggled as a catch-and-shoot player, hitting only 23-of-75 shots when unguarded and 30-of-91 when guarded*.
There is some needed context to all this. Duke’s offense, despite its prodigious talent, was bereft of shooting this year, and Zion Williamson, despite his greatness, does not come with a reputation as an offensive maven. That left Barrett with a lot of the work, something his stats reflected. Only five players in college basketball this past season took at least 650 shots (Barrett had 702) and only two of them had at least 100 assists. Barrett finished with 164 assists at Duke this season, while Detroit guard Antoine Davis had the second most of that list with 107. In fact, of the 13 players since 1992-93 who have taken at least 700 shots in a season, only Charles Jones of LIU Brooklyn and Kemba Walker of Connecticut had more assists that same year.
Barrett may deserve more credit as a playmaker. While some NBA executives at the combine in Chicago dinged him for showing tunnel vision at Duke and not looking to pass off enough, he put up some high-level numbers. He’s second among freshmen in the last 10 years in points produced, behind Trae Young but ahead of Ben Simmons and John Wall. Only four freshmen in the last decade have had a higher assist percentage while also averaging at least 20 points per game.
One NBA assistant coach’s opinion:
“Good player. Should do well in the NBA.”
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https://theathletic.com/994465/2019...aft-target/?amp#click=https://t.co/uYi4WYZnex
The pick could give the Knicks an infusion of talent onto their roster and a high-level young player into their organization. While Barrett is the presumptive No. 3 pick, it’s worth finding out more about him and just how good he is and can be. Here is a detailed profile on the player who looks like he’ll become a Knick next month.
Height: 6-7
Wingspan: 6-10
Position: Wing
Recruiting class rank: 1
The per-game college line: 22.6 points/7.6 rebounds/4.3 assists/52.9 percent on 12.2 2s/30.8 percent on 6.2 3s/66.5 percent on 5.9 FTs/0.9 steals/3.2 turnovers
The Athletic scouting report: “Barrett has everything you’re looking for from a size perspective to play on the wing in the NBA. In an era where teams are on a constant hunt for size, length and athleticism on the wing, Barrett brings everything professional teams could possibly want. He’s a strong lateral athlete and a relatively explosive vertical one when he gets time and space — although these factors can be diminished when crowded. His body control and balance are sublime; even when Barrett tosses up a bad shot around the basket, it’s hard not to think the ball still has a chance to go in. More than the physical traits, though, Barrett is one of those guys who has never shown up to an event and not brought it.” — Sam Vecenie
A former NBA scout’s take:
Sam Vecenie’s breakdown on the No. 3 player on his top-100 draft board:
“At times, Barrett played selfishly this season. It would help him to change his mentality just slightly. The Knicks would want him to still be the confident player he is; they just also want him to make the confident passing reads that he made more of throughout the latter quarter of the season. Additionally, Barrett needs to work slightly on his jump shot, although I believe he’s a better shooter than what the numbers indicate largely due to shot selection. His jumper has taken tremendous strides over the last 18 months. His unflappable mentality and personality would also fit exceedingly well in New York.”
ESPN’s Mike Schmitz and Jonathan Givony: “Has prototypical size, length and frame for an NBA wing at 6-foot-7 with a 6-10 wingspan at 208 pounds. Unique athlete in terms of coordination, fluidity, body control and quickness. Plays at different speeds… Has an alpha-dog mentality and wants to win at all costs. Plays with a laser focus and is not afraid of big moments… Not a very efficient overall scorer. Very left-hand dominant. Killer mentality, aggressiveness get the best of him at times. Shot-selection and decision-making were questionable at times as a freshman, especially in late-game situations. Lack of shooting around him at Duke made it easier for opposing defenses to accentuate his weaknesses.”
What RJ Barrett says about himself:
What the numbers say:
The top-line numbers on Barrett show a rare player. No freshman has averaged 22-7-4 in a season since the 1992-93 season and only seven players have done it, period. Barrett racked up those numbers as the main offensive catalyst at Duke, chasing a national championship. He carried a heavy burden at the school and his granular numbers bore it out. While he remains a premier prospect, he ranked in the 51st percentile in points per possession in the half-court this season, according to Synergy Sports. In transition, Barrett was fierce and more efficient, not surprisingly.
In the half-court, Barrett operated best as an isolation scorer and creator. He was in the 59th percentile in 82 isolation possessions as a scorer, and that crept up to the 73rd percentile when including his passes out of isolation*. He was just average running the pick-and-roll as a ball-handler, scoring in the 49th percentile, and jumping up to the 53rd when that included passes*.
It’s Barrett’s jumper that may need the most work. He shot 31 percent on 3s at Duke and 32.8 percent over 19 games in his FIBA career (via RealGM). Barrett hit just 33.7 percent of his jump shots this season*. While he was comfortable and successful shooting off the dribble (38 percent, 64th percentile in PPP), he struggled as a catch-and-shoot player, hitting only 23-of-75 shots when unguarded and 30-of-91 when guarded*.
There is some needed context to all this. Duke’s offense, despite its prodigious talent, was bereft of shooting this year, and Zion Williamson, despite his greatness, does not come with a reputation as an offensive maven. That left Barrett with a lot of the work, something his stats reflected. Only five players in college basketball this past season took at least 650 shots (Barrett had 702) and only two of them had at least 100 assists. Barrett finished with 164 assists at Duke this season, while Detroit guard Antoine Davis had the second most of that list with 107. In fact, of the 13 players since 1992-93 who have taken at least 700 shots in a season, only Charles Jones of LIU Brooklyn and Kemba Walker of Connecticut had more assists that same year.
Barrett may deserve more credit as a playmaker. While some NBA executives at the combine in Chicago dinged him for showing tunnel vision at Duke and not looking to pass off enough, he put up some high-level numbers. He’s second among freshmen in the last 10 years in points produced, behind Trae Young but ahead of Ben Simmons and John Wall. Only four freshmen in the last decade have had a higher assist percentage while also averaging at least 20 points per game.
One NBA assistant coach’s opinion:
“Good player. Should do well in the NBA.”
[/SPOILER]
https://theathletic.com/994465/2019...aft-target/?amp#click=https://t.co/uYi4WYZnex
- Jul 13, 2005
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He's a top 3 prospect. Tiny chance he somehow becomes the best player in this draft.
Dont like the Wiggins comps at all. If RJs defense and passing translates, he'll automatically be a better player.
Dont like the Wiggins comps at all. If RJs defense and passing translates, he'll automatically be a better player.
- Oct 18, 2011
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I’ve heard everything from DeRozan to Jalen Rose for Barrett. Never understood the Harden comparison though.
Either way while I wasn’t a fan early in the season I think he should be our pick.
Either way while I wasn’t a fan early in the season I think he should be our pick.
- Jul 20, 2012
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Bradley is this you ? If you wanna be on the knicks this bad then I’m wit iti don’t think y’all really have watched beal play especially last year and realize how good he really is, thats just me tho
Beal is just as good as anyone in this FA class not named KD or Kawhi.. (might be 3rd or 4th best player in this class if he was a FA tbh)
Personally i think outside of #1 and #2 picks, none of these prospects are cant miss to especially if you have the chance to get a bonafide all star who's only 25 with 2 more years on a fairly team-friendly contract. Even if we struck out on the big names in FA if we just added beal we would be significantly better and would be headed in the right direction. Plus he adds much needed shooting to the Knicks. Although i think RJ has the potential to be a good NBA player, yall buggin thinking thats a deal breaker if we would have to trade #3 pick for Brad Beal
- Aug 10, 2003
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why would the blazers move mccollum? hes a perfect complement to dame
Bend_The_Knee
formerly gotholesinmysocks
- Apr 11, 2008
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Pass on Beal.
Only trading for him if wizards are tearing everything down and they want Ntlikina, Knox and dallas picks.
Only trading for him if wizards are tearing everything down and they want Ntlikina, Knox and dallas picks.
- Apr 14, 2016
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I think Ntilikina, Knox and the Dallas picks are more than enough for Beal but I feel like the Wizards would be stubborn about wanting the 3rd pick and wouldn’t budge
Definitely would rather have RJ
Definitely would rather have RJ
- Jul 7, 2011
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Lakers would probably put together a better package for Beal and send him out there to keep him out of the East.
I don't see the benefit of trading #3 for Beal anyway. Despite his amazing numbers this season, he's not really a needle mover by himself. He'd make a great third option like Klay tho.
And I can see RJ developing into a really good Pro, he has all the tools
I don't see the benefit of trading #3 for Beal anyway. Despite his amazing numbers this season, he's not really a needle mover by himself. He'd make a great third option like Klay tho.
And I can see RJ developing into a really good Pro, he has all the tools
- Sep 21, 2008
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**** the Lakers.
Now and forever
Now and forever
