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OFFICIAL 2021 COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFSEASON THREAD
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Keyshawn claimed on his show today that “Kevin Mawae is the rat,” and defended Herm and Pierce by saying Mawae is just salty he couldn’t cut it at ASU and was also fired by the colts.
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This whole thing is funnier when you consider that ASU was dealing with a multiple week covid outbreak on their team during a period when they had recruits breaking the bubble and visiting and Herm and multiple coaches and players got sick.
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If there was ever a bowl game asking for players to sit it out…
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At least USC won’t have to travel far?
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Are you guys flying to the Bahamas bowl or just taking a boat to maximize the vacation?
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Didn’t realize they changed Bahamas to a NY6 site. Will touch back when I get the details.
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Lol y’all are 100 times more likely to lose 4 games than MiamiNY6?!?! After L’s to Bama, App state, one of the NCs, and the FSU hype machine??
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NCAA investigation into Arizona State football recruiting may include paying for unofficial visits
TEMPE, Ariz. — Part of the NCAA investigation into Arizona State’s football program could dive into whether coaches paid for recruits’ expenses during unofficial visits.
Sources told The Athletic that Arizona State covered some prospects’ transportation and lodging during these visits; one said the process was often carried out through a third party and that this was done mostly with elite prospects. Per NCAA rules, an unofficial visit to a Division I program has to be financed by the prospect or his parents or guardian.
The Athletic first reported Wednesday that the NCAA is investigating whether the football program hosted recruits during the 15-month COVID-19 non-contact period. The probe could stretch into other areas that would reveal broader violations within the program. Said one former staffer when details of the allegations began to leak, “It was a matter of ‘when’ rather than ‘if.'”
One former staffer said Arizona State covered expenses for some recruits to attend the 2018 Las Vegas Bowl, a game the Sun Devils lost 31-20 to Fresno State. “(That) was really the breaking point,” he said, “where it kind of went from, ‘We’re going to straddle the gray area,’ to, ‘We’re in the gray area.'” Per multiple sources, one recruit hung out with the Sun Devils at the team hotel, which likely would have been a major violation. Some staffers, the sources said, were so uncomfortable to see the recruit at the team dining area that they left the room.
“It started out (quiet) but then it became certainly more out in the open,” a source with inside knowledge said. “A little bit more casual. There was always kind of an understanding. People learned not to ask those questions as far as where (unofficial visitors) were staying.”
Arizona State officials have said they will not comment on the investigation. Head coach Herm Edwards also declined to comment. Two former staffers told The Athletic that they never had witnessed coaches paying for anything improper. One called the accusation “ridiculous.” The other wondered if it came from disgruntled former employees.
As time went on, several sources say, the program fractured. Those sources say associate head coach Antonio Pierce, who is also the program’s recruiting coordinator, learned who was “on board” and who was not, working more closely with those who were. “It was definitely frowned upon if you were not willing to play the game,” a former staffer said.
The news of Wednesday’s investigation brought forth a lot of details about the program. Here’s more on what we know about those matters, as well as the culture inside the program:
• The packet that Arizona State’s compliance office received sparking internal interviews included dozens of names of high school prospects who visited during the COVID-19 non-contact period. Sources have told The Athletic that recruits may have visited Arizona State as early as October and as late as May. The NCAA didn’t lift the dead period until June 1.
• Before the pandemic, Arizona State self-reported a violation, according to one source, after a recruit on an unofficial visit accompanied a group of official visitors to a local Topgolf. While there, the recruit posted a photo on social media of him posing with Edwards. This was brought up at a later meeting, the source said, but the conversation centered more on protecting Edwards than the actual rules violation.
• Once Kevin Mawae joined the program as an analyst in 2018, those inside the program assumed he would replace Dave Christensen as offensive line coach once Christensen retired. A Pro Football Hall of Famer, Mawae played under Edwards for five seasons with the New York Jets. Before every game, Edwards and Mawae shared a sideline embrace. In 2019, Edwards attended Mawae’s Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Christensen announced his retirement after the 2020 season. Christensen’s job, however, ultimately went to Syracuse’s Mike Cavanaugh. One source said Arizona State had concerns about Mawae’s recruiting. However, another pointed out that Mawae objected to Arizona State’s decision to pull scholarship offers from players who already had committed to the program, a common yet unfortunate part of recruiting. Mawae left the program and soon joined the Indianapolis Colts as an offensive line assistant.
• Despite the allegations, Arizona State appears to be recruiting as planned. Three prospects are scheduled for official visits this weekend, including four-star quarterback Nicco Marchiol. A standout at Chandler Hamilton High, which sits 18 miles from Sun Devil Stadium, Marchiol is the No. 4 prospect in Arizona, according to the 247Sports Composite.
— The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman contributed reporting.
TEMPE, Ariz. — Part of the NCAA investigation into Arizona State’s football program could dive into whether coaches paid for recruits’ expenses during unofficial visits.
Sources told The Athletic that Arizona State covered some prospects’ transportation and lodging during these visits; one said the process was often carried out through a third party and that this was done mostly with elite prospects. Per NCAA rules, an unofficial visit to a Division I program has to be financed by the prospect or his parents or guardian.
The Athletic first reported Wednesday that the NCAA is investigating whether the football program hosted recruits during the 15-month COVID-19 non-contact period. The probe could stretch into other areas that would reveal broader violations within the program. Said one former staffer when details of the allegations began to leak, “It was a matter of ‘when’ rather than ‘if.'”
One former staffer said Arizona State covered expenses for some recruits to attend the 2018 Las Vegas Bowl, a game the Sun Devils lost 31-20 to Fresno State. “(That) was really the breaking point,” he said, “where it kind of went from, ‘We’re going to straddle the gray area,’ to, ‘We’re in the gray area.'” Per multiple sources, one recruit hung out with the Sun Devils at the team hotel, which likely would have been a major violation. Some staffers, the sources said, were so uncomfortable to see the recruit at the team dining area that they left the room.
“It started out (quiet) but then it became certainly more out in the open,” a source with inside knowledge said. “A little bit more casual. There was always kind of an understanding. People learned not to ask those questions as far as where (unofficial visitors) were staying.”
Arizona State officials have said they will not comment on the investigation. Head coach Herm Edwards also declined to comment. Two former staffers told The Athletic that they never had witnessed coaches paying for anything improper. One called the accusation “ridiculous.” The other wondered if it came from disgruntled former employees.
As time went on, several sources say, the program fractured. Those sources say associate head coach Antonio Pierce, who is also the program’s recruiting coordinator, learned who was “on board” and who was not, working more closely with those who were. “It was definitely frowned upon if you were not willing to play the game,” a former staffer said.
The news of Wednesday’s investigation brought forth a lot of details about the program. Here’s more on what we know about those matters, as well as the culture inside the program:
• The packet that Arizona State’s compliance office received sparking internal interviews included dozens of names of high school prospects who visited during the COVID-19 non-contact period. Sources have told The Athletic that recruits may have visited Arizona State as early as October and as late as May. The NCAA didn’t lift the dead period until June 1.
• Before the pandemic, Arizona State self-reported a violation, according to one source, after a recruit on an unofficial visit accompanied a group of official visitors to a local Topgolf. While there, the recruit posted a photo on social media of him posing with Edwards. This was brought up at a later meeting, the source said, but the conversation centered more on protecting Edwards than the actual rules violation.
• Once Kevin Mawae joined the program as an analyst in 2018, those inside the program assumed he would replace Dave Christensen as offensive line coach once Christensen retired. A Pro Football Hall of Famer, Mawae played under Edwards for five seasons with the New York Jets. Before every game, Edwards and Mawae shared a sideline embrace. In 2019, Edwards attended Mawae’s Hall of Fame induction ceremony. Christensen announced his retirement after the 2020 season. Christensen’s job, however, ultimately went to Syracuse’s Mike Cavanaugh. One source said Arizona State had concerns about Mawae’s recruiting. However, another pointed out that Mawae objected to Arizona State’s decision to pull scholarship offers from players who already had committed to the program, a common yet unfortunate part of recruiting. Mawae left the program and soon joined the Indianapolis Colts as an offensive line assistant.
• Despite the allegations, Arizona State appears to be recruiting as planned. Three prospects are scheduled for official visits this weekend, including four-star quarterback Nicco Marchiol. A standout at Chandler Hamilton High, which sits 18 miles from Sun Devil Stadium, Marchiol is the No. 4 prospect in Arizona, according to the 247Sports Composite.
— The Athletic’s Bruce Feldman contributed reporting.
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Crazy they do all that cheating and they’re still meh. I’ll never understand it
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Being “meh” cost a price too.
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Source is too damn stupid to even know that blatantly breaking rules falls outside of “the gray area.”
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Leave it to the NCAA to be the great bipartisan unifier... 
System so broken even in this political climate it's the one thing both sides of the aisle can agree on.
System so broken even in this political climate it's the one thing both sides of the aisle can agree on.
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Sloppy work from ASU
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lmao, Lane gonna Lane
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A recruit posted a vid in that tweet thread of himself lifting with Kirby on his visit, then deleted it when he realized it might be a violation.
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