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Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
We'll forget the fact that Nathan Horton was playing in hockey purgatory for close to 10 years....
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
We'll forget the fact that Nathan Horton was playing in hockey purgatory for close to 10 years....
Originally Posted by True Blues
Originally Posted by will068
New NHL or Old NHL, is a 3rd overall pick bust. Comparing him to the Sedins or Kesler ? Where's that Kiefer Sutherland "reaching" pic ?Originally Posted by True Blues
A late hit by definition isn't clean. Compounded by the fact it was a airborne head shot (lateral-- yes, but it still was to the head) that knocked a player out of the series, a suspension was justified. Personally, I thought the Mike Murphy would hand out a 2 gamer, but he and the rest of the NHL brass are clearly a sending a message to players that this type of reckless behaviour is no longer acceptable in the NHL.
Also, I don't fully understand why Vancouver fans are complaining about how "unfair" and "tragic" it is that Aaron Rome will miss the rest of the SCF. In the old NHL, a Bruin would have a taken a run at the twins or Kesler.
- The guy never scored more than 62 pts in a season
- He's not even an all star.
- He's the 3rd overall pick in the 2003 draft, the deepest NHL draft in the last decade. He's like Darko having a fluke playoff season.
How is any of this relevant?
Horton is a productive member of the Bruins offense, and among the team's most skilled players (Personally, I'd rank him as the third most important forward on the team after Krjeci and Bergeron). Certainly, he has been one the Bruins best skaters this postseason. If the B's were to look for revenge, they would do so against a player of similar or higher value. Henrik, Daniel, Kesler, and even Burrows, then, are obvious targets.
But if you want to try to advance that argument, allow me to retort. If you'll recall, the Sedins and Kesler were likewise "busts" until rather recently. Kesler was considered a plug until last year when he broke out offensively (which, in your words, could still be considered a fluke), and the Sedins weren't productive AT ALL until after the lockout. Horton meanwhile was playing on a team full of tomato cans in Florida, and missed 15+ games twice in his first 6 seasons. Further, if (and given the Darko reference, I'm assuming that's a big IF) you followed Horton as a General, you'd understand why he was drafted third overall. Give him some time.
Oh, and for fun, let's compare playoff statlines:
HORTON, NATHAN:
[table][tr][td]Season[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td]GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S% [/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Bruins[/td] [td]21 [/td][td] 8 [/td][td] 9 [/td][td]17 [/td][td] 11 [/td][td] 35 [/td][td] 1 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 3 [/td][td] 52 [/td][td] 15.4
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SEDIN, HENRIK:
[table][tr][td]Season
[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td] GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S%[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Canucks[/td] [td]22 [/td][td] 2 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]-6 [/td][td] 12 [/td][td] 1 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 1 [/td][td] 38 [/td][td] 5.3
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SEDIN, DANIEL:
[table][tr][/tr][tr][td]Season
[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td] GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S%[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Canucks[/td] [td]22 [/td][td] 9 [/td][td] 9 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]-5 [/td][td] 22 [/td][td] 5 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 2 [/td][td] 88 [/td][td] 10.2
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KESLER, RYAN:
[table][tr][/tr][tr][td]Season
[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td] GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S%[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Canucks[/td] [td]22 [/td][td] 7 [/td][td] 12 [/td][td]19 [/td][td] 3 [/td][td] 43 [/td][td] 4 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 2 [/td][td] 68 [/td][td] 10.3[/td][/tr][/table]
Pretty even, wouldn't you say?
I never understood why the Canucks and their fans were hated so much around the NHL until this series.
Originally Posted by True Blues
Originally Posted by will068
New NHL or Old NHL, is a 3rd overall pick bust. Comparing him to the Sedins or Kesler ? Where's that Kiefer Sutherland "reaching" pic ?Originally Posted by True Blues
A late hit by definition isn't clean. Compounded by the fact it was a airborne head shot (lateral-- yes, but it still was to the head) that knocked a player out of the series, a suspension was justified. Personally, I thought the Mike Murphy would hand out a 2 gamer, but he and the rest of the NHL brass are clearly a sending a message to players that this type of reckless behaviour is no longer acceptable in the NHL.
Also, I don't fully understand why Vancouver fans are complaining about how "unfair" and "tragic" it is that Aaron Rome will miss the rest of the SCF. In the old NHL, a Bruin would have a taken a run at the twins or Kesler.
- The guy never scored more than 62 pts in a season
- He's not even an all star.
- He's the 3rd overall pick in the 2003 draft, the deepest NHL draft in the last decade. He's like Darko having a fluke playoff season.
How is any of this relevant?
Horton is a productive member of the Bruins offense, and among the team's most skilled players (Personally, I'd rank him as the third most important forward on the team after Krjeci and Bergeron). Certainly, he has been one the Bruins best skaters this postseason. If the B's were to look for revenge, they would do so against a player of similar or higher value. Henrik, Daniel, Kesler, and even Burrows, then, are obvious targets.
But if you want to try to advance that argument, allow me to retort. If you'll recall, the Sedins and Kesler were likewise "busts" until rather recently. Kesler was considered a plug until last year when he broke out offensively (which, in your words, could still be considered a fluke), and the Sedins weren't productive AT ALL until after the lockout. Horton meanwhile was playing on a team full of tomato cans in Florida, and missed 15+ games twice in his first 6 seasons. Further, if (and given the Darko reference, I'm assuming that's a big IF) you followed Horton as a General, you'd understand why he was drafted third overall. Give him some time.
Oh, and for fun, let's compare playoff statlines:
HORTON, NATHAN:
[table][tr][td]Season[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td]GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S% [/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Bruins[/td] [td]21 [/td][td] 8 [/td][td] 9 [/td][td]17 [/td][td] 11 [/td][td] 35 [/td][td] 1 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 3 [/td][td] 52 [/td][td] 15.4
[/td][/tr][/table]
SEDIN, HENRIK:
[table][tr][td]Season
[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td] GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S%[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Canucks[/td] [td]22 [/td][td] 2 [/td][td]19 [/td][td]21 [/td][td]-6 [/td][td] 12 [/td][td] 1 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 1 [/td][td] 38 [/td][td] 5.3
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SEDIN, DANIEL:
[table][tr][/tr][tr][td]Season
[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td] GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S%[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Canucks[/td] [td]22 [/td][td] 9 [/td][td] 9 [/td][td]18 [/td][td]-5 [/td][td] 22 [/td][td] 5 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 2 [/td][td] 88 [/td][td] 10.2
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KESLER, RYAN:
[table][tr][/tr][tr][td]Season
[/td][td] Team[/td][td] GP[/td][td] G[/td][td] A [/td][td] P [/td][td] [/td][td] PIM [/td][td] PP [/td][td] SH [/td][td] GW [/td][td] S[/td][td] S%[/td][/tr][/table][table][tr][td]2010-2011[/td] [td]Canucks[/td] [td]22 [/td][td] 7 [/td][td] 12 [/td][td]19 [/td][td] 3 [/td][td] 43 [/td][td] 4 [/td][td] 0 [/td][td] 2 [/td][td] 68 [/td][td] 10.3[/td][/tr][/table]
Pretty even, wouldn't you say?
I never understood why the Canucks and their fans were hated so much around the NHL until this series.
Grow into a star.......have better stats....IN FLORIDA????Originally Posted by will068
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
We'll forget the fact that Nathan Horton was playing in hockey purgatory for close to 10 years....
The more opportunity for him to grow into a star - or at least have better statistics. Yet he couldn't take advantage given what was expected of him to do.
Grow into a star.......have better stats....IN FLORIDA????Originally Posted by will068
Originally Posted by DoubleJs07
We'll forget the fact that Nathan Horton was playing in hockey purgatory for close to 10 years....
The more opportunity for him to grow into a star - or at least have better statistics. Yet he couldn't take advantage given what was expected of him to do.
That is where you're wrong. The legality of the hit and the timing of a hit are two different things. The hit was not anything we have not seen before, it's just the fact that Horton was not looking at all, and the shoulder pads of today are different from the ones Scott Stevens wore. Still, I agree with you that 2 games was sufficient, and in all honestly Canucks fans have Rome to blame for igniting the entire Boston team into playing a supremely physical game. The result of this is us getting punked by scrubs like Marchand and not mentally prepared to respond appropriately. The 'nucks now need to get their heads screwed on straight.Originally Posted by True Blues
A late hit by definition isn't clean. Compounded by the fact it was a airborne head shot (lateral-- yes, but it still was to the head) that knocked a player out of the series, a suspension was justified. Personally, I thought the Mike Murphy would hand out a 2 gamer, but he and the rest of the NHL brass are clearly a sending a message to players that this type of reckless behaviour is no longer acceptable in the NHL.Originally Posted by Wongtouski
That was a late clean hit, I'm pissed about the 4 game suspension but then when I look at who got suspended, I'm not so mad anymore. Why? Because its Aaron Rome.
Also, I don't fully understand why Vancouver fans are complaining about how "unfair" and "tragic" it is that Aaron Rome will miss the rest of the SCF. In the old NHL, a Bruin would have a taken a run at the twins or Kesler.
That is where you're wrong. The legality of the hit and the timing of a hit are two different things. The hit was not anything we have not seen before, it's just the fact that Horton was not looking at all, and the shoulder pads of today are different from the ones Scott Stevens wore. Still, I agree with you that 2 games was sufficient, and in all honestly Canucks fans have Rome to blame for igniting the entire Boston team into playing a supremely physical game. The result of this is us getting punked by scrubs like Marchand and not mentally prepared to respond appropriately. The 'nucks now need to get their heads screwed on straight.Originally Posted by True Blues
A late hit by definition isn't clean. Compounded by the fact it was a airborne head shot (lateral-- yes, but it still was to the head) that knocked a player out of the series, a suspension was justified. Personally, I thought the Mike Murphy would hand out a 2 gamer, but he and the rest of the NHL brass are clearly a sending a message to players that this type of reckless behaviour is no longer acceptable in the NHL.Originally Posted by Wongtouski
That was a late clean hit, I'm pissed about the 4 game suspension but then when I look at who got suspended, I'm not so mad anymore. Why? Because its Aaron Rome.
Also, I don't fully understand why Vancouver fans are complaining about how "unfair" and "tragic" it is that Aaron Rome will miss the rest of the SCF. In the old NHL, a Bruin would have a taken a run at the twins or Kesler.
Perhaps I should rephrase: A late hit by definition isn't legal.Originally Posted by Wongtouski
That is where you're wrong. The legality of the hit and the timing of a hit are two different things. The hit was not anything we have not seen before, it's just the fact that Horton was not looking at all, and the shoulder pads of today are different from the ones Scott Stevens wore. Still, I agree with you that 2 games was sufficient, and in all honestly Canucks fans have Rome to blame for igniting the entire Boston team into playing a supremely physical game. The result of this is us getting punked by scrubs like Marchand and not mentally prepared to respond appropriately. The 'nucks now need to get their heads screwed on straight.Originally Posted by True Blues
A late hit by definition isn't clean. Compounded by the fact it was a airborne head shot (lateral-- yes, but it still was to the head) that knocked a player out of the series, a suspension was justified. Personally, I thought the Mike Murphy would hand out a 2 gamer, but he and the rest of the NHL brass are clearly a sending a message to players that this type of reckless behaviour is no longer acceptable in the NHL.Originally Posted by Wongtouski
That was a late clean hit, I'm pissed about the 4 game suspension but then when I look at who got suspended, I'm not so mad anymore. Why? Because its Aaron Rome.
Also, I don't fully understand why Vancouver fans are complaining about how "unfair" and "tragic" it is that Aaron Rome will miss the rest of the SCF. In the old NHL, a Bruin would have a taken a run at the twins or Kesler.
In other news, I've read from another forum that one of the guys on that forum watched gm 4 with Hamhuis' relatives and friends, they say he needs surgery on his groin. Obviously this is from a dude in a forum so I wouldn't trust it. But still, gets you worried.
Perhaps I should rephrase: A late hit by definition isn't legal.Originally Posted by Wongtouski
That is where you're wrong. The legality of the hit and the timing of a hit are two different things. The hit was not anything we have not seen before, it's just the fact that Horton was not looking at all, and the shoulder pads of today are different from the ones Scott Stevens wore. Still, I agree with you that 2 games was sufficient, and in all honestly Canucks fans have Rome to blame for igniting the entire Boston team into playing a supremely physical game. The result of this is us getting punked by scrubs like Marchand and not mentally prepared to respond appropriately. The 'nucks now need to get their heads screwed on straight.Originally Posted by True Blues
A late hit by definition isn't clean. Compounded by the fact it was a airborne head shot (lateral-- yes, but it still was to the head) that knocked a player out of the series, a suspension was justified. Personally, I thought the Mike Murphy would hand out a 2 gamer, but he and the rest of the NHL brass are clearly a sending a message to players that this type of reckless behaviour is no longer acceptable in the NHL.Originally Posted by Wongtouski
That was a late clean hit, I'm pissed about the 4 game suspension but then when I look at who got suspended, I'm not so mad anymore. Why? Because its Aaron Rome.
Also, I don't fully understand why Vancouver fans are complaining about how "unfair" and "tragic" it is that Aaron Rome will miss the rest of the SCF. In the old NHL, a Bruin would have a taken a run at the twins or Kesler.
In other news, I've read from another forum that one of the guys on that forum watched gm 4 with Hamhuis' relatives and friends, they say he needs surgery on his groin. Obviously this is from a dude in a forum so I wouldn't trust it. But still, gets you worried.