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[antidope]

Pretty sure i've seen @KingdomFlatbush explain this like 4 times man

And year after year I see this argument pop up all over the place.

Gohan>SS3 Gotenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu>=SS3 Goku>Fat Buu>SS2 Vegeta

And people also exaggerate Goku's fight with Kid Buu. A good portion of that fight is Goku matching Kid Buu blow for blow, Kid Buu just outlasts him as Goku starts to run out of energy over time.

 

Pretty sure i've seen @KingdomFlatbush  explain this like 4 times man 

 And year after year I see this argument pop up all over the place.

Gohan>SS3 Gotenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu>=SS3 Goku>Fat Buu>SS2 Vegeta

And people also exaggerate Goku's fight with Kid Buu. A good portion of that fight is Goku matching Kid Buu blow for blow, Kid Buu just outlasts him as Goku starts to run out of energy over time.

this man gets it. this is probably the 8th time ive explained it in the thread too.

all i would add is 
Vegito>Gohan>SS3 Gotenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu>=SS3 Goku>Fat Buu>SS2 Vegeta

All of this is 100% facts, and my #1 qualm with how DBZ ended is that Goku never mastered SSJ3 and it turned it into a novelty.

I've always gone Gotenks >= Super Buu though. The power gap wasnt that large where I wanna say Gotenks would have won, cause fought like a dummy and Buu would have outsmarted him.

 

[jays25]

Lol people are silly. Gohan may be trash now, but at the time he stomped super buu with zero effort, someone Goku stated he and vegeta together wouldn't be able to match. What then is the argument?

THEN WHAT HAPPENED? I like how you didn't mention what happened next. Gohan is buns no matter how strong he gets. An L is an L

Who said otherwise? Buu got a boost in power, so what? Changes nothing I stated.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

 
Super Buu without anyone absorbed isn't though, which is what I've been saying

"10% of the fighting" when he absorbed Gotenks then like three eps later absorbed gohan

theres absolutely no way to even verify how strong base super buu is because he only got his *** kicked by super sayain 3 gotenks who ranks up their with the strongest character up until that poit

 

[blastercombo]

Who said otherwise? Buu got a boost in power, so what? Changes nothing I stated.

That's my point. Gohan is this and that but what happened? He lost. All that is not worthless.


Like I said, Power level bench pressing, Gohan >. You want to win a fight, he's worthless. Just like how gotenks is worthless

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

That's my point. Gohan is this and that but what happened? He lost. All that is not worthless.


Like I said, Power level bench pressing, Gohan >. You want to win a fight, he's worthless

by that logic goku could beat vegito

 

[Gordonson]

Just give me one logical reason why Kid Buu is weaker than Super Buu for storylines sake.
Not Super Buu with gotenks and gohan absorbed, just base super buu.

Kid Buu is the original Buu, at his purest, most evil and wild form. Super Buu is the result of Fat Buu (which is Kid Buu after absorbing two Kais) and Evil Buu, who Fat Buu seemed to have created to rid himself of evil or some ****.

Super Buu is stronger because he's already a melting pot of power to the best of my knowledge, which Kid Buu is the base of somewhere deep down.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong of course.

I think your confusion stems mostly from a belief that the strongest form would be the last one. In this instance, that just wasn't the case. It didn't need to be.

 

[jays25]

Who said otherwise? Buu got a boost in power, so what? Changes nothing I stated.

That's my point. Gohan is this and that but what happened? He lost. All that is not worthless.


Like I said, Power level bench pressing, Gohan >. You want to win a fight, he's worthless. Just like how gotenks is worthless

Your point has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

 

[blastercombo]

Your point has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

What are you talking about then. We're talking about how Gohan is trash.

 

[silverbackhoney]

Kid Buu is the original Buu, at his purest, most evil and wild form. Super Buu is the result of Fat Buu (which is Kid Buu after absorbing two Kais) and Evil Buu, who Fat Buu seemed to have created to rid himself of evil or some ****.

Super Buu is stronger because he's already a melting pot of power to the best of my knowledge, which Kid Buu is the base of somewhere deep down.

Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong of course.

I think your confusion stems mostly from a belief that the strongest form would be the last one. In this instance, that just wasn't the case. It didn't need to be.

By that logic Fat Buu would be the strongest because he absorbed two Kais... but he isn't.

 

[jays25]

Your point has nothing to do with the argument at hand.

What are you talking about then. We're talking about how Gohan is trash.

We've been talking about super Buu being stronger than kid Buu for a while now lol

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

We were only using the fact that Gohan was stronger than Goku to show that super Buu is stronger than kid buu

 

[blakep267]

Kid Buu is the original Buu, at his purest, most evil and wild form. Super Buu is the result of Fat Buu (which is Kid Buu after absorbing two Kais) and Evil Buu, who Fat Buu seemed to have created to rid himself of evil or some ****.

Super Buu is stronger because he's already a melting pot of power to the best of my knowledge, which Kid Buu is the base of somewhere deep down.


Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong of course.


I think your confusion stems mostly from a belief that the strongest form would be the last one. In this instance, that just wasn't the case. It didn't need to be.

By that logic Fat Buu would be the strongest because he absorbed two Kais... but he isn't.

Fat buu was pretty strong. I think it's overlooked because he took a lot of blows, but those blows didn't really do anything to him

 

[Gordonson]

By that logic Fat Buu would be the strongest because he absorbed two Kais... but he isn't.

In theory, this should hold weight as an argument unless someone can show otherwise, but the difference is that the two Kaios he absorbed diluted him; especially the second one (The Grand Supreme Kaio); causing Fat Buu to have a lot of good in him and messing up his personality. Kid Buu is a wild card, who doesn't feel any guilt, remorse, etc. He fights way more freely than Fat Buu ever could.

The biggest issue here is that the best way to compare Fat Buu and Kid Buu in terms of strength is how Goku managed against each of them. However, he wasn't in the same shape when fighting Kid Buu as he was when fighting Fat Buu. In other words, I can't prove that Fat Buu is stronger outside of the fact that he has two strong Kaios within him, but I don't see how it can really be disproven either since there are other variables that come into play when you strictly look at how things occurred in the manga/anime.

 

[frenchbreadbuilds]

As far as the anime goes it clearly states that absorbing the kais made buy weaker than this original form. So if kid buu is What he was before he absorbed the kais then yes he is stronger than fat buu. If not then I don't know

 

[silverbackhoney]

Then how is the Super buu that emerged from evil buu fusing with fat buu stronger than OG buu?

Just to clarify: NOT including when Buu absorbed Gotenks, Piccolo, or Gohan.

 

[blakep267]

If fat buu is kid buu, diluted with 2 kais. Then why does Skinny Buu + Fat Buu = Super Buu and not Kid buu. If skinny Buu was the evilness fat buu got rid of

That would mean that super buu = kid buu + the 2 kais but retaining his evilness plus their power. Meaning boom, Super Buu is the strongest

 

[antidope]

We were only using the fact that Gohan was stronger than Goku to show that super Buu is stronger than kid buu

And the fact that Gotenks is Stronger than Super Buu and Goku states that Gotenks was stronger than him.

Chapter: 476 (DBZ 282), P9.3
Piccolo: “If that bastard felt like it, he could wipe out the entire Earth, up here included, in the blink of an eye…!”
Goku: “It’s alright, I don’t think he’ll take out the Earth. After all, I told him that  in 2 days, someone stronger than me would fight him  , and he seemed happy…”

And THEN when Gotenks was fighting Super Buu Piccolo acknowledges the fact that Gotenks was the first person who has been on par with Majin Buu since, and Piccolo was around to see Goku go SSJ3 TWICE, and now Gotenks is gaining the upper hand against an even more powerful version of Majin Buu.

Chapter: 495 (DBZ 301), P6.1-3, P7.1-3
Context: after Gotenks blasts Boo with the Rapid-Fire Die-Die Missiles and Piccolo stops him
Gotenks: “Well, whatever. I already did quite a lot, after all. He should be pretty weakened.”
*Boo comes out*
Gotenks: “…He ain’t weakened…This really pisses me off!”
Piccolo: “N-no…He is weakened…I don’t know about physically, but he’s weakened a little mentally…! Th-this is the first time…that he’s fought someone strong like you…He’s feeling flustered by someone whose strength is at least on par with his own…”

Goku also explicitly states that he was no match for Super Buu, and fighting him would get both he and Vegeta killed when they were inside Buu, yet he went toe to toe with Kidd Buu. 

Nothing is ever explicitly stated a lot of the time, but dialogue and results of fights easily tell you who's stronger than who.

 

[crystalmethod]

This conversation has been rehashed so many times

Can we just included it in the OP at this point?

Super buu > kid buu

 

[young718chris]

This conversation has been rehashed so many times

Can we just included it in the OP at this point?

Super buu > kid buu

I thought this was common knowledge.

 

[jays25]

On the Fat Buu issue

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Buu being "weaker", even in the anime if you watch it, has everything to do with the drastic difference in personality, hence Kid Buu's fighting style being more brutal than any other, including Super Buu. As Goku noted, Majin Buu and even Super Buu avoided destroying the Earth due to the opportunity of a challenging fight. They could be reasoned with to some extent. The same couldn't be said for Kid Buu, whose very first act was to blow up the planet. Kid Buu isn't the strongest, but he is "the most dangerous", due to his complete insanity.

 

[hyper cutter]

Wait so Fat Buu is stronger than Super Buu?

 

[KingdomFlatbush]

What ridiculous nonsense are we spreading in here now? Super Buu is the strongest Buu.

 

[thekid3456]

Super Buu with Gohan absorbed is the strongest buu. Strongest DBZ villian except from the new movies of course. In the anime the only reason they said Kid Buu was the strongest it was not out of power, it was because he was pure evil and had no self control. Did not care about anything. But super buu is the strongest when it comes to power.

 

[jays25]

Wait so Fat Buu is stronger than Super Buu?

No, how the hell did you come to that conclusion?

Vegito>Gohan>SS3 Gotenks>Super Buu>Kid Buu>=SS3 Goku>Fat Buu>SS2 Vegeta

Geez we really may as well just put this in the thread title.

 

[36Hypno]

How ppl don't know this is beyond me. Unless you missed some episodes it's not that hard.