OFFICIAL GAME OF THRONES THREAD | HOUSE OF THE DRAGON Premieres 8.21.22 | OFFICIAL TRAILER REVEALED

[SC kid]

I don’t think so. I’ve never read them, but my brothers have and I’ve talked to them about the books. There are some really big differences between the books and the show even before the show got ahead of the books. For example, Sansa’s story arc in the books is much different than what was depicted on the show. You also get a lot more detail and back story on characters.

Everyone should do more reading. Especially interesting and entertaining stuff like the got books. Some are better than others though.

Thanks

I just ordered the first one.

 

[wuchi01]

Have serious doubts he will finish the book series.

 

[hand2handking]

How Game of Thrones Failed Daenerys Targaryen
Game of Thrones managed to ruin its most interesting character by making her do something that was completely against her nature.

https://fansided.com/2019/05/14/how-game-of-thrones-failed-daenerys-targaryen/

Sometimes drawing a line in the pop culture sand works in your favor, and other times it explodes in your face like dragon fire.

Two weeks ago, I wrote about why I honestly believed that Daenerys Targaryen wasthe ruler Westeros needed when Thrones takes its final bow on May 19. It seemed to me that she genuinely wanted to break the wheel and help usher in a better world for all.

Sure, she was a bit entitled, impetuous and too quick to burn her enemies alive, but it was all theoretically in service of a larger altruistic goal. As Dany herself once said, she didn’t spend a lifetime amassing power and influence in Essos just to becomequeen of the ashes in Westeros. The idea was always to usurp Cersei with as little bloodshed in King’s Landing as possible.

For eight seasons, this was how the show presented Dany and her ambitions. That’s why it was so disappointing when Thrones decided to throw away a series worth of character work in one barbaric act of violence during Sunday’s penultimate episode. It managed to irreparably destroy Dany’s reputation and the notion that this show ever cared about her at all in one fell swoop.

To recap, “The Bells” depicted Dany’s army going up against Cersei’s forces defending King’s Landing. It looked like we were going to get an epic battle, but instead Dany and Drogon proceeded to destroy the entire Iron Fleet, the Golden Company and a solid portion of the Lannister army while barely losing a single Dothraki, Unsullied or Northern soldier.

After two seasons of fans complaining about Dany’s poor military skills, she proved that she could take King’s Landing with minimal casualties, especially to the civilians trapped in Westeros’ capitol. She got the Lannister army to drop their swords, and the bells chimed to declare Dany the winner of this conflict.

And that’s when, out of nowhere, a switch seemed to flip in Dany. In less than a scene, she apparently decided that she’d rather be feared than loved and instructed Drogon to set King’s Landing on fire, innocent townsfolk and all. The rest of the episode was devoted to watching folks do their best to survive her completely unnecessary onslaught.

It was a brutal moment for a character some had been worried had the potential to go full “Mad Queen,” not unlike her father the Mad King. It was what Varys tried to warn both Tyrion and Jon about before Dany executed him for conspiring against her. It was the culmination of everyone’s worst fears regarding the inbred madness of the Targaryen family line.

Here’s the thing: None of that tracks with the Dany we spent eight seasons getting to know. We certainly have gotten hints at her ability to be ruthless both to her friends and enemies. But nothing she has ever said or done led us to believe she was capable of that level of pure, peasant-burning evil.

Remember, this is the same woman who felt so bad after one of her dragons killed the daughter of a peasant in Mereen that she chained up two of her dragons.

It’s also the same woman who liberated almost an entire continent from slavery. Her whole identity revolved around protecting the weak. That admittedly often involved setting some people on fire, but it was only those who were propagating the cruel system she was trying to change or who directly threatened her, like the Dothraki leadership who were about to violently rape her.

Most recently, as Dany conveyed to Sansa, she put the one objective she had been working her entire life toward on hold to help Jon Snow defend the North against the white walkers. She may have been shaken up after learning about Jon’s parentage, but she still gave up half her army for a cause championed by someone else. That’s not something a Mad Queen would do.

For what it’s worth, Dany was by far the most effective fighter during the Battle of Winterfell. With Drogon, she easily killed the most wights of any combatant, and she continued fighting valiantly by Ser Jorah’s side when she was knocked off Drogon. Once again, no one willing to put herself in that kind of danger for somebody else’s war would commit the atrocities Dany unleashed upon King’s Landing.

So, what is a show working toward a pre-determined end game that hasn’t been justified in the slightest to do? If you’re David Benioff and D.B. Weiss, you ret-con the crap out of her arc in a few poorly written episodes right before your series finale.

The show attempted to rationalize Dany snapping by killing one of her most trusted advisers, two of her dragons and her best friend in rapid succession. Just to pile it on, Thrones had Jon reject Dany’s advances just to really rub in how alone she felt.

The most egregious example of Thrones fast-tracking Dany’s descent into madness occurred in the “previously on Thrones” segment that aired before “The Bells.” During it, a montage of people talking about the possibility of her going crazy played over her close-up after she had just watched Missandei get beheaded. Re-defining Dany’s character outside the confines of an episode is next-level lazy writing.

All of the above was heavy-handed storytelling that both exemplified the pacing issues Thrones hasn’t been able to fix since the start of season 7 and failed to effectively set up her eventual heel turn.

It’s clear now that George R. R. Martin always intended to make Dany the villain of his story. And had Benioff and Weiss accepted HBO’s offer to produce more episodes in seasons 7 and 8, the show probably could’ve taken the necessary time to craft a more organic arc that would lead to her heartlessly decimating King’s Landing.

But as it stands, the show’s handling of Dany just looks like character assassination at its worst. They took a character who I truly thought was the best person to govern this unruly world and sent her down a path of no return with little to no proper motivation for her awful deeds. The woman incinerating the residents of King’s Landing was not the Daenerys Targaryen Thrones gave us for most of the show’s run.

Shame on the creators and writers of Game of Thrones for ruining their most interesting character.

 

[ksteezy]

Ya still going at this troll tryi g to get him to understand the difference bEtween genocide and a massacre...lmaooo

 

[hand2handking]

Ya still going at this troll tryi g to get him to understand the difference bEtween genocide and a massacre...lmaooo

Nah we past that

Its about how "hypocrisy" is punishable by death in some cases but not others

 

[hand2handking]

So is u finished or is u done?

 

[Barbados Slim]

the one who passes the sentence swings the sword

until you too "honorable" to swing and instead give her the chance to arrest you

and him exiling jorah instead of killing him

Ned sentenced him to death but when arrived at Bear Island to kill him Jorah had already left.

 

[hand2handking]

Ned sentenced him to death but when arrived at Bear Island to kill him Jorah had already left.

Funny how he conveniently has a habit of giving people a chance to escape justice when they're privileged

But a poor night watchman running for his life wow so honorable

 

[Barbados Slim]

genocide? like robert and the children of KL? or cersei and the sept? bran and all the people he let die on his journey?

tyrion let off wildfire on stannis troops, that was ok too right?

What children of KL are you talking about? First robert didn't sack KL Tywin did and he did so without Roberts knowledge. I'm not even sure Robert gave the order to have Rhaegar's kids killed. Cersie and the sept was f ed up. No one here said it wasn't.
The bran example makes zero sense and tryion killed soldiers that were invading. Not innocent people.


Why am I even bothering.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Funny how he conveniently has a habit of letting people escape justice when they're privileged

But a poor night watchman running for his life wow so honorable

Lol what? He let Jorah escape? Dude you're falling apart at the seams.

 

[hand2handking]

What children of KL are you talking about? First robert didn't sack KL Tywin did and he did so with Roberts knowledge. I'm not even sure Robert gave the order to have Rhaegar's kids killed. Cersie and the sept was f ed up. No one here said it wasn't.
The bran example makes zero sense and tryion killed soldiers that were invading. Not innocent people.


Why am I even bothering.

Did u forget how gendry was introduced? Robert killing children he thought were his bastards and their mothers?

Robert obviously knew and benefitted that's why he tried he to kill dany from half a world away

No one in the show said cersei had to abdicate power after that act "for the good of the realm"

How does bran not make sense when he killed/sacrificed hodor jojen summer and all those who died that he didn't warn with his ggreenseeing but he saw himself on the throne

Soldiers or his fellow countrymen regardless wildfire is a inhumane way to kill that why aeris had to go right?

 

[hand2handking]

Lol what? He let Jorah escape? Dude you're falling apart at the seams.

I'm talkin about forewarning

 

[robtoofresco]

This guy legit makes up scenarios in his head to benefit his narrative.

Cersei sent the orders to have Robert’s bastards in KL murdered. Not Bobby B.

Bringing up Hodor/ Jojen/ Summer’s death when Bran didn’t even have control of his greenseing yet when they died as he does as the 3ER.

The false equivalency of Aerys wanting to use wild fire to burn EVERYONE in KL vs. Tyrion using it against an invading force.

The problem with your arguments are that you operate in black and white only. There’s no room for grey with you.

 

[hand2handking]

Nope there was no room for Grey when they executed dany

You still didn't address the ppl that bran let die Since becoming 3er

So if its cersei order Robert has no complicity or duty to protect his citizens?

Y'all be making convenient excuses for whats appropriate and what's not in war

 

[marcielago]

Nope there was no room for Grey when they executed dany

You still didn't address the ppl that bran let die Since becoming 3er

So if its cersei order Robert has no complicity or duty to protect his citizens?

Y'all be making convenient excuses for whats appropriate and what's not in war

Robert was already dead when they started killing his bastards. Joffrey gave the order as he was king at the time

 

[robtoofresco]

I didn’t address those people because YOU didn’t in the post I’m responding to. You specifically mentioned Hodor/ Jojen/ Summer.

Oh? Robert was suppose to protect his citizens when that ordered was executed, huh? Tell me... how was he suppose to do that when he was already DEAD when Cersei gave the order??

 

[IATT]

 

[lawdog1]

We still love you, Jon Snow...

 

[hand2handking]

I didn’t address those people because YOU didn’t in the post I’m responding to. You specifically mentioned Hodor/ Jojen/ Summer.

Oh? Robert was suppose to protect his citizens when that ordered was executed, huh? Tell me... how was he suppose to do that when he was already DEAD when Cersei gave the order??

none of that changes the fact that nobody decided cersei had to die "for the realm"

 

[Barbados Slim]

Did u forget how gendry was introduced? Robert killing children he thought were his bastards and their mothers?

.... I think you're due for a rewatch. That wasn't Robert.

 

[putting in work]

Sums up Jon Snow these last two seasons

 

[robtoofresco]

@ mods, please direct this guy to the nearest moon door. You seriously contribute nothing to this thread.

Like someone said before, it’s a shame you behave this way because you can post important content that has relevancy in the real world that needs addressing but because of stuff like this, you have people looking at you like a full-on loopty loo.

 

[lawdog1]

@ mods, please direct this guy to the nearest moon door. You seriously contribute nothing to this thread.

Like someone said before, it’s a shame you behave this way because you can post important content that has relevancy in the real world that needs addressing but because of stuff like this, you have people looking at you like a full-on loopty loo.

If I’m correct about who you’re talking about, I put dude on ignore days ago. Clearly, it was a good decision.

 

[Barbados Slim]

Did u forget how gendry was introduced? Robert killing children he thought were his bastards and their mothers?

No one in the show said cersei had to abdicate power after that act "for the good of the realm"

How does bran not make sense when he killed/sacrificed hodor jojen summer and all those who died that he didn't warn with his ggreenseeing but he saw himself on the throne

Soldiers or his fellow countrymen regardless wildfire is a inhumane way to kill that why aeris had to go right?

No one said that about Cersei because all of us knew it was inevitable . We all knew she was going to die.
Bran didn't have green sight until after become the 3ER. Jojen on the other hand did and didn't save anyone. Hodor, summer, and jojen died protecting him. Is protecting people the same as getting killed by that person? That's like saying Danny killed Jorah.
Aerys was burning people alive that he wasn't at war with. Like Ned's father and brother. Neds dad went to KL to demand his daughter to be freed. Aery's arrested him called for his son and burned the dad alive while the son strangled. He laughed while it happened. That's why he had to go. You know damn well that is different than what Tyrion did.
Like I said, falling apart at the seams.


Edit: Bran had greensight all along. I thought his dream about his dad was different. Either way he didn't for see Hodor, jojen, or summers, death.

 

[tdogg2k]

Bran had green sight before 3ER. It just wasnt consistent like jojens.
Rickon also had it but was too young