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Originally Posted by bright nikes
Clippers are cursed, for the sake of his health he shouldn't go to that graveyard.
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Originally Posted by bright nikes
Clippers are cursed, for the sake of his health he shouldn't go to that graveyard.
Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN
I have to agree with your assessment.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Bron's decision will come down to what he wants more: winning like he says or all the other extra stuff (city lifestyle, endorsements, etc.) If he's making a pure basketball decision: [WINNING as soon as possible] these should be the order of teams he looks at based on what they have in place right now.
1. Chicago Bulls (already have an All-Star PG in Rose and steadily improving player in Noah-may be an All-Star next season, some other decent pieces with Hinrich and Deng. They are really just either a superstar player or two really good players away from being serious championship contenders. Also have some flexibility to move pieces to possibly get ANOTHER max guy along with Bron which would all but assure his place in the Finals)
2. New Jersey Nets (now this all depends on what happens on Tuesday with the Draft Lottery, if they get the No. 1 pick and are able to get John Wall, that team would be scary as well with Bron, a terrific young Center in Brook Lopez and some other decent pieces in Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams. If they do land Wall then that makes Devin Harris expendable and that extra 9 mil in a trade will possibly allow them the ability to get ANOTHER max player as well)
3. Miami Heat (this could be #1 on the list for the simple fact that Dwayne Wade is in the top 3 players in the league today and him and Bron would be a matchup nightmare for every team in the league every night. They have a lot of money to throw around as well and if everything falls right could sign 3 MAX or near Max players (Wade, Bron, Boozer for example). Problem is if he goes there will his ego allow him to make that decision, will if he wins a title, will it be perceived that he had "too much" help. But if he cares about WINNING like he says he does, that won't matter)
4. New York Knicks (I know Knick fans on here will just look at this as hating, but an objective look at the situation shows they have the least amount of pieces in place right now to win. They don't even have a 1st rd draft pick to get a possible good young player. All their hopes lie in the possiblility of another star (Bosh, Amare, Boozer) to come with him. Even then there is no guarantee that those 2 with marginal players-Gallo and Chandler are decent, nothing more will get to the Finals. True they have Curry's contract coming off the books next year and could possibly go after Carmelo Anthony if he opts out of his deal after next season, but that's ANOTHER year of having to endure NOT winning, which he says is his Number 1 goal)
Now I'm not saying the NYK are not a possiblity, because clearly they are a serious player in getting him mostly because of the things OUSTIDE of basketball they can offer Lebron, but conducive to WINNING next year those other 3 scenarios (at least in my opinion) are more attractive.
Originally Posted by u ttocs
if lebron stays in cleveland and wins more titles than he would in ny, then he would probably make more money in the long run. i think the east coast media and fans desperately want leborn in ny for selfish reasons, so the whole money in ny things is greatly exaggerated. lebron is going to make truck loads of money no matter what city he plays in. at this point in his career it's all about winning titles, if he doesn't win titles he's not going to maximize his value.
Si. I prefer him going to the Nets over the Bulls and it would be a better team.Originally Posted by proper english
Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN
I have to agree with your assessment.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Bron's decision will come down to what he wants more: winning like he says or all the other extra stuff (city lifestyle, endorsements, etc.) If he's making a pure basketball decision: [WINNING as soon as possible] these should be the order of teams he looks at based on what they have in place right now.
1. Chicago Bulls (already have an All-Star PG in Rose and steadily improving player in Noah-may be an All-Star next season, some other decent pieces with Hinrich and Deng. They are really just either a superstar player or two really good players away from being serious championship contenders. Also have some flexibility to move pieces to possibly get ANOTHER max guy along with Bron which would all but assure his place in the Finals)
2. New Jersey Nets (now this all depends on what happens on Tuesday with the Draft Lottery, if they get the No. 1 pick and are able to get John Wall, that team would be scary as well with Bron, a terrific young Center in Brook Lopez and some other decent pieces in Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams. If they do land Wall then that makes Devin Harris expendable and that extra 9 mil in a trade will possibly allow them the ability to get ANOTHER max player as well)
3. Miami Heat (this could be #1 on the list for the simple fact that Dwayne Wade is in the top 3 players in the league today and him and Bron would be a matchup nightmare for every team in the league every night. They have a lot of money to throw around as well and if everything falls right could sign 3 MAX or near Max players (Wade, Bron, Boozer for example). Problem is if he goes there will his ego allow him to make that decision, will if he wins a title, will it be perceived that he had "too much" help. But if he cares about WINNING like he says he does, that won't matter)
4. New York Knicks (I know Knick fans on here will just look at this as hating, but an objective look at the situation shows they have the least amount of pieces in place right now to win. They don't even have a 1st rd draft pick to get a possible good young player. All their hopes lie in the possiblility of another star (Bosh, Amare, Boozer) to come with him. Even then there is no guarantee that those 2 with marginal players-Gallo and Chandler are decent, nothing more will get to the Finals. True they have Curry's contract coming off the books next year and could possibly go after Carmelo Anthony if he opts out of his deal after next season, but that's ANOTHER year of having to endure NOT winning, which he says is his Number 1 goal)
Now I'm not saying the NYK are not a possiblity, because clearly they are a serious player in getting him mostly because of the things OUSTIDE of basketball they can offer Lebron, but conducive to WINNING next year those other 3 scenarios (at least in my opinion) are more attractive.
x2.. i would put NJN over CHI though.
Originally Posted by DKnice
If the nets got the number 1 pick I dont know why they wouldnt take evan turner.... devin harris is not the problem in new jersey.. their wing players are terrible and evan turner is a sure thing coming out... no worries about upside or his game translating.. with wall you're going to have to wait a couple of years cause i dont think his game translates as easily as derrick rose and tyreke.... I dunno just last year devin harris was lighting the league up with vince carter... he was the go to guy and everyone was killing the mavs for giving him up, people had him in the top 8-10 pgs.. in the league now yall want to get rid of him for wall.. devin harris when healthy>>> john wall.... Line up of harris, lbj and evan turner is way more intimidating, throw in brook lopez and they're already better on paper than this years cav's team..
Originally Posted by DKnice
If the nets got the number 1 pick I dont know why they wouldnt take evan turner.... devin harris is not the problem in new jersey.. their wing players are terrible and evan turner is a sure thing coming out... no worries about upside or his game translating.. with wall you're going to have to wait a couple of years cause i dont think his game translates as easily as derrick rose and tyreke.... I dunno just last year devin harris was lighting the league up with vince carter... he was the go to guy and everyone was killing the mavs for giving him up, people had him in the top 8-10 pgs.. in the league now yall want to get rid of him for wall.. devin harris when healthy>>> john wall.... Line up of harris, lbj and evan turner is way more intimidating, throw in brook lopez and they're already better on paper than this years cav's team..
Originally Posted by BoTz LuVz 23z
^i concur.
john wall's game was meant for the nba, not college.Originally Posted by DKnice
If the nets got the number 1 pick I dont know why they wouldnt take evan turner.... devin harris is not the problem in new jersey.. their wing players are terrible and evan turner is a sure thing coming out... no worries about upside or his game translating.. with wall you're going to have to wait a couple of years cause i dont think his game translates as easily as derrick rose and tyreke.... I dunno just last year devin harris was lighting the league up with vince carter... he was the go to guy and everyone was killing the mavs for giving him up, people had him in the top 8-10 pgs.. in the league now yall want to get rid of him for wall.. devin harris when healthy>>> john wall.... Line up of harris, lbj and evan turner is way more intimidating, throw in brook lopez and they're already better on paper than this years cav's team..
Originally Posted by xX LeGod Xx
Si. I prefer him going to the Nets over the Bulls and it would be a better team.Originally Posted by proper english
Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN
I have to agree with your assessment.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
Bron's decision will come down to what he wants more: winning like he says or all the other extra stuff (city lifestyle, endorsements, etc.) If he's making a pure basketball decision: [WINNING as soon as possible] these should be the order of teams he looks at based on what they have in place right now.
1. Chicago Bulls (already have an All-Star PG in Rose and steadily improving player in Noah-may be an All-Star next season, some other decent pieces with Hinrich and Deng. They are really just either a superstar player or two really good players away from being serious championship contenders. Also have some flexibility to move pieces to possibly get ANOTHER max guy along with Bron which would all but assure his place in the Finals)
2. New Jersey Nets (now this all depends on what happens on Tuesday with the Draft Lottery, if they get the No. 1 pick and are able to get John Wall, that team would be scary as well with Bron, a terrific young Center in Brook Lopez and some other decent pieces in Courtney Lee and Terrence Williams. If they do land Wall then that makes Devin Harris expendable and that extra 9 mil in a trade will possibly allow them the ability to get ANOTHER max player as well)
3. Miami Heat (this could be #1 on the list for the simple fact that Dwayne Wade is in the top 3 players in the league today and him and Bron would be a matchup nightmare for every team in the league every night. They have a lot of money to throw around as well and if everything falls right could sign 3 MAX or near Max players (Wade, Bron, Boozer for example). Problem is if he goes there will his ego allow him to make that decision, will if he wins a title, will it be perceived that he had "too much" help. But if he cares about WINNING like he says he does, that won't matter)
4. New York Knicks (I know Knick fans on here will just look at this as hating, but an objective look at the situation shows they have the least amount of pieces in place right now to win. They don't even have a 1st rd draft pick to get a possible good young player. All their hopes lie in the possiblility of another star (Bosh, Amare, Boozer) to come with him. Even then there is no guarantee that those 2 with marginal players-Gallo and Chandler are decent, nothing more will get to the Finals. True they have Curry's contract coming off the books next year and could possibly go after Carmelo Anthony if he opts out of his deal after next season, but that's ANOTHER year of having to endure NOT winning, which he says is his Number 1 goal)
Now I'm not saying the NYK are not a possiblity, because clearly they are a serious player in getting him mostly because of the things OUSTIDE of basketball they can offer Lebron, but conducive to WINNING next year those other 3 scenarios (at least in my opinion) are more attractive.
x2.. i would put NJN over CHI though.
One of the problems with Bron is that he can't seem to handle the pressure
What other play has endured pressure like he has the past decade in sports as a prodigy/savior to a franchise? I'd say he's lived up to it for the most part. 1 somewhat bad series and he can't handle pressure.
What other play has endured pressure like he has the past decade in sports as a prodigy/savior to a franchise? I'd say he's lived up to it for the most part. 1 somewhat bad series and he can't handle pressure.Originally Posted by Al3xis
One of the problems with Bron is that he can't seem to handle the pressure
ehh wrote:
The big issues for New York are that 2010-11 will be atransition year with no chance of winning a title. However, I don’t believe that ANY of his possibledestinations (Clev, Chi, NJ, NY or even Miami) have a realistic chance atwinning the title next year.
same here. chicago has one great player and noah is very good. but that's it. van gundy agrees.
Jeff Van Gundy doesn't believe that simply signing LeBron James would make the Bulls a title contender.
Van Gundy acknowledges that James would make Chicago better, but doesn't think they'd immediately be among the NBA's elite.
"Any team that gets him along with Derrick Rose and [Joakim] Noah,you're going to have a good team," Van Gundy said before Game 1 of theEastern Conference finals on Sunday.
"A lot depends on how much they have to give up to get him. If it'sa sign and trade, what other moves they'd make, but I would not thinkthey would be a championship-caliber team right away. But I thinkthey'll be a top-3 or -4 team."
Van Gundy added that he isn't sure where James will sign.
"I think there's a lot of opinions, but I don't think there's any informed opinions," he said.
"So I have no idea, nor does anyone else, except him. He'll make thedecision that's best for him, and still, the team that adds him isgoing to have to play well to win a championship. We've seen the lasttwo years in Cleveland, they have very good teams, but they haven'tbeen able to get it done."
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The Bulls have options but I still don't see how any non-Bosh scenario makes Chicago a title contender next year or the few years after. Plus we have no idea how much Ray Ray is going to demand for a salary. He's declining but may still want one more decent sized 2 year deal from someone for more than Chicago can afford.Originally Posted by Mamba MVP
The Bulls salary going into next year is $31 million. If in theory they sign Bron that will put their salary at 50 million. The cap is going to be around 56 or 57 million dollars next year, that's still enough money (7 mil) to go out and sign a capable shooter (Ray Allen or Kyle Korver or a servicable big). They have options to even if Bosh doesn't come. And Hinrich at the least is a piece they could move (there was interest before the trade deadline in him).
If in theory they sign Bron that will put their salary at 50 million.The cap is going to be around 56 or 57 million dollars next year,that's still enough money (7 mil) to go out and sign a capable shooter(Ray Allen or Kyle Korver or a servicable big).
sure, but then they'd also need to fill out roster spots 8-12 with base salaries. Bulls only have 6 guys on contract for next season.
Which is also why the Bosh talk is particularly funny to me. If the Bulls could pull a miracle out and sign and trade Deng, they'd have 7 guys on the roster including Bosh and LeBron with no cap room.
If the Knicks sign LeBron and Bosh, they'd have 7 guys with no cap room.
One of these teams is killed for it, the other is not.