**Official Meek Mill Thread****Dreamchasers IV Out Now**

[RustyShackleford]

Brah Please. You really gonna take this stance

And I never said it was cool. I said it was a bad look from the jump.

But it seems like for some folk it a crime against music for Drake to use someone else bars, but when other folk do it it is "part of the game"

And if Drake wasn't a rapper you hated would you be acting like you're acting?

Who is it part of the game for?

Does anyone take Eazy, Fat Joe, Puff, or Dr Dre serious as rappers?

Does anyone think Kanye is a top emcee?

-We know Jay used tons of Big's lyrics and we ignore it. Dude gets a flat pass for it

-A couple reference tracks means what for Drake? You don't consider him a legend? Fine, do you. You don't take him serious as an M (doubt you did before this anyway) but fine, do you. Congrats you have an opinion

-But you wanna dictate to others how they should view the guy. Hardly anyone has made an argument for Drake being legend, just that he is the best of the current generation. But dudes seemed to be rustled by ole boy's lyrics and a couple Sprite billboards.

-All I'm saying is that with all the foolishness I ignore from rappers. reference track ranks pretty follow. Especially since bar sharing seems to be common and always had

But I'm not allowed to reach that conclusion based off a few rumors, rappers interviews and articles, but it is cool for you to paint Drake as having never bar in his life like he is Puffy.

Whatever B

I'm over here drowning in your hypocrisy

-BTW; if any of my word rustle you, you can come see me: 84 Rainey Street, Arlen, Texas...... Ask for Hank

Edit: The Sprite ads do rustle you. Let it go B

 

[shimmyhendrix]

If the use of writers in hip-hop was so prevelant and everyone does it...why are we having this conversation?

If Jill Scott came out and said Rihanna doesn't write her music, it wouldn't be such a big debate, because we already know that practice is commonplace in that particular genre.

If it were the same for rap, this wouldn't be garnering so much attention and major radio stations wouldn't be having this same debate and asking people to call in and give their two cents.

The "how do we know everyone else isn't doing it" is like asking "well how do we know every actor wasn't dropping quaaludes in martinis in the 70s"?

There's a reason this subject is so taboo in hip-hop.

You just said it.  "WE" are having the conversation.  The Rappers and others that are actually in the game are not outraged right now.   Not one rapper interviewed about it even batted an eyelash at it lol.   Not one relevant rapper is behind meek on this one (save the conspiracy theories please 

).   Gunplay even said he's siding with Meek because he is his labelmate, but disagreed with Meek going at the writer thing.

Just because average joes are under the fantasy that their favorite songs are 100% pen and pad 100% of the time, doesnt make it true.  

There are things called industry practices, that are common to any industry.  These are things that are well known to people inside,and is what helps deliver the product, but arent talked about to consumers of that industry because well....its none of their concern.  And It takes the magic away from it. Its not a secret, but just on a Need-To-Know basis.   Theres alot of other things that go on in the industry besides collaborating on tracks and references that people would be suprised about also.   Sharing bars is not even a drop in the bucket.

 

[delete1234]

Like being the best player on the 76ers

let my generation live

 

[wavycrocket]

we dont respect greatness until its gone
just ask lebron

I respectfully disagree. I think it's the other way around. Like some are saying Bron is already a top 3-5 player of all time already.

Like Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Big O, Wilt, Bird etc. never existed. This is like putting Drake on a Campaign with Nas, Big and Rakim.

 

[jc619er]

Problem is Drake is a rapper yes, but at this point he's a Pop artist, so it almost doesn't matter anymore that he didn't write all of his stuff. I don't ever think of him as some ill lyricist, but dude make songs I can't stop listening to and that's a talent all on it's own. It's like Michael. He didn't write all his songs, but he was no doubt one of the best song makers of all time. It doesn't take anything away from him to me that he didn't write all his stuff. Now if it came out that Nas has ghostwriters and reference tracks that might hit me in the feels a little bit.

 

[Magic33]

-We know Jay used tons of Big's lyrics and we ignore it. Dude gets a flat pass for it

-A couple reference tracks means what for Drake? You don't consider him a legend? Fine, do you. You don't take him serious as an M (doubt you did before this anyway) but fine, do you. Congrats you have an opinion

-But you wanna dictate to others how they should view the guy. Hardly anyone has made an argument for Drake being legend, just that he is the best of the current generation. But dudes seemed to be rustled by ole boy's lyrics and a couple Sprite billboards.

-All I'm saying is that with all the foolishness I ignore from rappers. reference track ranks pretty follow. Especially since bar sharing seems to be common and always had

But I'm not allowed to reach that conclusion based off a few rumors, rappers interviews and articles, but it is cool for you to paint Drake as having never bar in his life like he is Puffy.

Whatever B

I'm over here drowning in your hypocrisy

-BTW; if any of my word rustle you, you can come see me: 84 Rainey Street, Arlen, Texas...... Ask for Hank

Jay used a ton?

How many albums and songs has he done And how has he gotten a pass when people like you try to bring it up. He does this every song? He uses entire verses of Biggie's? He's recreated Big's songs?

You're really reaching

Where's that Jay reference track? I'm sure there's a ton of money in it. Is Dame saying Jay did it too?

 

[wavycrocket]

I will say there is some hypocrisy like Rusty is saying. Jay gets a pass for all of Big's bars, and Prime Wayne gets a pass for that whole situation.

Maybe this will all be just a footnote for Drake, like it was for Hov and Wayne.

 

[revan]

Lupe made a long post about "getting help" and how rampant it is in rap, how it always has been.

We have a video of Ye helping Jay.

Ghostface admits Rae wrote verses for the whole Wu.

Drake never tried to hide the fact that he had people helping him.

The fact that no one within the industry is taking Meek's side kind of speaks to how prevalent it is.

 

[Magic33]

What sound barrier did he break? Will Smith, Andre 3000, Kanye, Nelly, etc. have done all of this. Heck, 3 6 Mafia won a Grammy in 2006. This is all a byproduct of fairweather observers who now want to profit off of hip hop. Just being rehashed...

Who wrote for Andre?

And don't say Big Boi, because early Dre did some for him.

 

[pastor glo]

I respectfully disagree. I think it's the other way around. Like some are saying Bron is already a top 3-5 player of all time already.

Like Hakeem, Shaq, Duncan, Big O, Wilt, Bird etc. never existed. This is like putting Drake on a Campaign with Nas, Big and Rakim.

like i said we will praise bron and drake once they walk away from the game

 the cool thing to do is to hate on the best of this generation because we are witnessing it 

 

[rico x hood]

That ad is so disrespectful. I don't which company is worse when it comes to exploiting rap to target blacks. McDonalds or Sprite.

 

[shimmyhendrix]

 
Problem is Drake is a rapper yes, but at this point he's a Pop artist, so it almost doesn't matter anymore that he didn't write all of his stuff. I don't ever think of him as some ill lyricist, but dude make songs I can't stop listening to and that's a talent all on it's own. It's like Michael. He didn't write all his songs, but he was no doubt one of the best song makers of all time. It doesn't take anything away from him to me that he didn't write all his stuff. Now if it came out that Nas has ghostwriters and reference tracks that might hit me in the feels a little bit.

Totally understandable.  It would hurt Nas more because he was known for his pure lyricism.  No one is saying that he made the best songs ever 

.  No one listens to Nas for his ear for beats lol.

Drake is judged differently because he is a different type of Artist.  He has other attributes besides pure lyricism, and still has bars when necessary. Why not just take dude for what he is?  I'm sure he isnt trying to be the best at being Jay or Nas.  Theres other artists that are following that path, but he is not.  Just like Pac and Big are totally different artists and are great for different reasons.  He is calling himself the best at what HE does.

 

[pastor glo]

richard pryor had ghostwriters but hes still considered a great

but mike epps slandered kevin hart for having ghostwriters, people always hate on the current generations great

 

[rico x hood]

"I say a BIG verse
I'm only biggin up my brother..."

Hov ain stealin bars.

 

[Hahahaha]

Lupe made a long post about "getting help" and how rampant it is in rap, how it always has been.

We have a video of Ye helping Jay.

Ghostface admits Rae wrote verses for the whole Wu.

Drake never tried to hide the fact that he had people helping him.

The fact that no one within the industry is taking Meek's side kind of speaks to how prevalent it is.

Drake has never tried to hide it? He's came out and claimed he's writing songs that others have confirmed that they wrote. He's never admitted to using a ghost writer or anything. That's hiding it.

I don't think you guys understand how big of a deal a rapper using a reference track is. I have a friend that has written reference tracks for R&B singers and pop stars, even a couple of rappers. They basically write a whole damn song for you. That's the huge issue.

It's cool, keep listening to Drake and being a fan but don't insult rap music by acting like everyone is doing this.

Mad rappers have borrowed and flipped BIG and Pac lines, that's not new but reference songs

 

[jinkazama]

Lupe made a long post about "getting help" and how rampant it is in rap, how it always has been.

We have a video of Ye helping Jay.

Ghostface admits Rae wrote verses for the whole Wu.

Drake never tried to hide the fact that he had people helping him.

The fact that no one within the industry is taking Meek's side kind of speaks to how prevalent it is.

Thank you...I've heard more artists and industry folks say how common this is rather than calling Drake fraud. I would like to believe Jay, Big, Pac....wrote every hook, every bar; but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

 

[wavycrocket]

That ad is so disrespectful. I don't which company is worse when it comes to exploiting rap to target blacks. McDonalds or Sprite.

McDonalds by faaaaaaaar. Cringeworthy how racially insensitive and stereotypical those ads are. Almost comical in a sense.

 

[Magic33]

richard pryor had ghostwriters but hes still considered a great

but mike epps slandered kevin hart for having ghostwriters, people always hate on the current generations great

Everyone knows about Paul Mooney He became famous from it.

Thank you...I've heard more artists and industry folks say how common this is rather than calling Drake fraud. I would like to believe Jay, Big, Pac....wrote every hook, every bar; but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.

If it's so common, where are all these other reference tracks?

 

[RustyShackleford]

-We know Jay used tons of Big's lyrics and we ignore it. Dude gets a flat pass for it

-A couple reference tracks means what for Drake? You don't consider him a legend? Fine, do you. You don't take him serious as an M (doubt you did before this anyway) but fine, do you. Congrats you have an opinion

-But you wanna dictate to others how they should view the guy. Hardly anyone has made an argument for Drake being legend, just that he is the best of the current generation. But dudes seemed to be rustled by ole boy's lyrics and a couple Sprite billboards.

-All I'm saying is that with all the foolishness I ignore from rappers. reference track ranks pretty follow. Especially since bar sharing seems to be common and always had

But I'm not allowed to reach that conclusion based off a few rumors, rappers interviews and articles, but it is cool for you to paint Drake as having never bar in his life like he is Puffy.

Whatever B

I'm over here drowning in your hypocrisy

-BTW; if any of my word rustle you, you can come see me: 84 Rainey Street, Arlen, Texas...... Ask for Hank

Jay used a ton?

How many albums and songs has he done And how has he gotten a pass when people like you try to bring it up. He does this every song? He uses entire verses of Biggie's? He's recreated Big's songs?

You're really reaching

Where's that Jay reference track? I'm sure there's a ton of money in it. Is Dame saying Jay did it too?

How many of Quentin Miller's lines has Drake used?

Compared to his entire body of work?

You feel, on flimsy evidence it is ok to paint him as a fraud. Yet you can't see the hypocrisy of your position

Ok brah, you got it

This one goes out to you brah

 

[pastor glo]

why couldnt drake just be a good dude and put money in quentins pockets, dude was working at a bakery

the last album was supposed to be a mixtape anyway

 

[Hahahaha]

why couldnt drake just be a good dude and put money in quentins pockets, dude was working at a bakery

the last album was supposed to be a mixtape anyway

 

[Bruce Banner]

we dont respect greatness until its gone
just ask lebron

Unless Bron on roids , idk where the hell that came from .

 

[boss naga]

You just said it.  "WE" are having the conversation.  The Rappers and others that are actually in the game are not outraged right now.   Not one rapper interviewed about it even batted an eyelash at it lol.   Not one relevant rapper is behind meek on this one (save the conspiracy theories please  ).   Gunplay even said he's siding with Meek because he is his labelmate, but disagreed with Meek going at the writer thing.

Just because average joes are under the fantasy that their favorite songs are 100% pen and pad 100% of the time, doesnt make it true.  
There are things called industry practices, that are common to any industry.  These are things that are well known to people inside,and is what helps deliver the product, but arent talked about to consumers of that industry because well....its none of their concern.  And It takes the magic away from it. Its not a secret, but just on a Need-To-Know basis.   Theres alot of other things that go on in the industry besides collaborating on tracks and references that people would be suprised about also.   Sharing bars is not even a drop in the bucket.

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You contradicted yourself. If his peers are openly discussing this, then that means the conversation certainly extends beyond "we"... Does it not?

I could care less about meek vs Drake. I'm speaking specifically on Drake and his use of writers. In that very same interview Gunplay stated very clearly that HE doesn't do it. Again...if it were commonplace why is it such a widely debated topic right now? I just gave you the same scenario using r&b. Don't you agree that if this were r&b it wouldn't be front page news because its widely known that writers are used in r&b?

Hell, dudes like ne-yo and the-dream were publicly hearalded as writers before they even launched their solo careers as artists.

What "hip-hop writers" do we know of right now that are heralded for their work on other artists' songs?

 

[pastor glo]

everybody doesnt want the attention and doing all these shows and going on tour

why not just make music and sell it to the hottest rapper out and get royalty checks

 

[jinkazama]

Everyone knows about Paul Mooney He became famous from it.
If it's so common, where are all these other reference tracks?

Where's the gun Hernandez used...? Do we think he's any less guilty?

If it's so uncommon and Drake is so cocky and hated where is the rest of the industry to fry this cat? If all these dudes wrote every bar and every line they'd be lining up to come at Drake; yet everybody interviewed mumbles and says...but I write all mine though. Come on man...this isn't the rap you grew up on homie, times have changed Rap is mainstream now and makes a lot of people a lot of money. I think dudes do whatever it takes to get that check and stay on top.

Like I said; I'd like to think my all-time greats wrote every letter of all those albums but it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they didn't.