**Official Meek Mill Thread****Dreamchasers IV Out Now**

[shimmyhendrix]

 

You just said it.  "WE" are having the conversation.  The Rappers and others that are actually in the game are not outraged right now.   Not one rapper interviewed about it even batted an eyelash at it lol.   Not one relevant rapper is behind meek on this one (save the conspiracy theories please 

).   Gunplay even said he's siding with Meek because he is his labelmate, but disagreed with Meek going at the writer thing.

Just because average joes are under the fantasy that their favorite songs are 100% pen and pad 100% of the time, doesnt make it true.  
There are things called industry practices, that are common to any industry.  These are things that are well known to people inside,and is what helps deliver the product, but arent talked about to consumers of that industry because well....its none of their concern.  And It takes the magic away from it. Its not a secret, but just on a Need-To-Know basis.   Theres alot of other things that go on in the industry besides collaborating on tracks and references that people would be suprised about also.   Sharing bars is not even a drop in the bucket.

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 

You contradicted yourself. If his peers are openly discussing this, then that means the conversation certainly extends beyond "we"... Does it not?

I could care less about meek vs Drake. I'm speaking specifically on Drake and his use of writers. In that very same interview Gunplay stated very clearly that HE doesn't do it. Again...if it were commonplace why is it such a widely debated topic right now? I just have you the same scenario using r&b. Don't you agree that if this were r&b it wouldn't be front page news because its widely known that writers are used in r&b?

Hell, dudes like ne-yo and the-dream were publicly hearalded as writers before they even launched their solo careers as artists.

What "hip-hop writers" do we know of right now that are heralded for their work on other artists' songs?

No contradiction.  The rappers are talking about it because we (including bloggers) are asking in interviews.  They arent coming out on their own and speaking on it.   Either way, All of the answers are the same though.  "Not a big deal",  "So?",  "I dont do it, but it happens".  

To clarify, just because it is commonplace doesnt mean that "all" rappers do it.  It doesnt have to be one extreme or another.

Drake writes, Future writes, 50 writes, Cass writes, Jay writes, TI writes, Ludacris writes, Eminem writes, the list goes on.   If all these people are writing songs, verses, hooks, bars, etc you really think nobody is buying them?

 

[boss naga]

http://www.mtv.com/news/2228640/rappers-ghostwriters-hip-hop/

Again...if this is so widely practiced...why do rappers themselves use this as a way to slight other rappers?

 

[revan]

Drake has never tried to hide it? He's came out and claimed he's writing songs that others have confirmed that they wrote. He's never admitted to using a ghost writer or anything. That's hiding it.

I don't think you guys understand how big of a deal a rapper using a reference track is. I have a friend that has written reference tracks for R&B singers and pop stars, even a couple of rappers. They basically write a whole damn song for you. That's the huge issue.

It's cool, keep listening to Drake and being a fan but don't insult rap music by acting like everyone is doing this.

Mad rappers have borrowed and flipped BIG and Pac lines, that's not new but reference songs

So when I post the article where Drake talks about working with Shi Wisdom (I think) and how it helps to have someone solely focused on lyrics while he figures out the cadence and melody for a song, do I get a cookie? There's numerous examples of him talking about working with people on lyrics.

 

[Magic33]

How many of Quentin Miller's lines has Drake used?

Compared to his entire body of work?

You feel, on flimsy evidence it is ok to paint him as a fraud. Yet you can't see the hypocrisy of your position

Ok brah, you got it

This one goes out to you

Again, so every song Jay does it? Jay uses it as a crutch to craft entire songs?

You're comparing someone who has released albums for nearly 20 years to Drake? Drake isn't just using it for material but also flow.

A normal verse has 16-32 bars. If Jay uses one or two bars in a song. What about the other 80? And again, is he doing it every song.

How can you even remotely say it's the same?

 

[pastor glo]

drake getting reference tracks discredits all his earlier work?

 

[godry]

So when I post the article where Drake talks about working with Shi Wisdom (I think) and how it helps to have someone solely focused on lyrics while he figures out the cadence and melody for a song, do I get a cookie? There's numerous examples of him talking about working with people on lyrics.

I would like to see it

 

[boss naga]

How many lines about ghostwriters have we heard throughout hip hop? Kendrick and Krit have very recent examples where they speak on it as a slight.

If its so accepted and commonplace... Why do so many rappers speak on it with negative connotations?

 

[Magic33]

drake getting reference tracks discredits all his earlier work?

Does Rick Ross CO past discredit his drug dealing claims?

 

[All_$tar1997]

 
im starting to think meek paid ab to expose cass

Wouldn't it be something if now drake pays him to expose meek.

 

[pastor glo]

Does Rick Ross CO past discredit his drug dealing claims?

no because crooked co's are everywhere

 

[RustyShackleford]

How many of Quentin Miller's lines has Drake used?

Compared to his entire body of work?

You feel, on flimsy evidence it is ok to paint him as a fraud. Yet you can't see the hypocrisy of your position

Ok brah, you got it

This one goes out to you

Again, so every song Jay does it? Jay uses it as a crutch to craft entire songs?

You're comparing someone who has released albums for nearly 20 years to Drake? Drake isn't just using it for material but also flow.

A normal verse has 16-32 bars. If Jay uses one or two bars in a song. What about the other 80? And again, is he doing it every song.

How can you even remotely say it's the same?

And Drake has done it on every song?

How many of QM lines has he used compared his entire body of work with stands at 4 albums and 2 highly regard mixtapes

Yet you label Drake as some type of fraud that should be regard in the same regard as Puffy and Dre (MC wise) based on that same of evidence

But give Jay-Z a pass.

Brah, you drowning in you own hypocrisy

 

[shimmyhendrix]

Off that for a second.  Interesting interview with Charlemagne talking about how he was offered the reference tracks as well.  There's alot more to this than we know.  Also gained a new respect for Charlemagne.

 

 

[jayfiend]

If we are all being honest really have no idea how many Rappers over hip hop history have had help... And how much help.... They way most have been talking it's just not that unusually... And like Cassidy said in that video... If they're big stars and are all around the world doing things and taking care of business how much time do they really have to write?

I think that the big reason almost nobody has spoke on it because it's just not that unusual...

We don't have proof either way tho... So I don't understand what the argument is about...

Only one that would really have me feeling a certain way would be Pac... If I found out he didn't write a lot of his stuff...

 

[Magic33]

And Drake has done it on every song?

How many of QM lines has he used compared his entire body of work with stands at 4 albums and 2 highly regard mixtapes

Yet you label Drake as some type of fraud that should be regard in the same regard as Puffy and Dre (MC wise) based on that same of evidence

But give Jay-Z a pass.

Brah, you drowning in you own hypocrisy

No, you are trying to deflect from Drake not writing.

So if it matters that 2 out of 90 bars are Big's. Ok you won that argument that doesn't compare.

So are you saying Drake is less of a writer then? Because that's your point?

So according to you it doesn't matter if a rapper doesn't write his own lyrics. Salt N Pepa and Queen Latifah...doesn't matter, Queen Latifah should get the credit and not Apache. Puff should get the credit instead of Los, Sauce Money, Jay, Nas and the tons of writers he's used. Right?

no because crooked co's are everywhere

But it does though

 

[bravo]

Man the first and only time i ever heard of Ar-ab was through a youtube where this delusional fool wanted to sign him over a phone call.. then when ar-ab backs out he starts calling him a n-er .

Gangsta rapper* getting disrespected by a dweeb 

 

[revan]

I would like to see it

It was Kenza not Shi Wisdom.

"Who helped me write on“Connect” [11] is this girl Kenza. She’s a great girl and a phenomenal poetry writer. We just sit together and come up with the best way to say things. [12] Actually, me and her did [the lyric] “love people and use things and not the other way around.” It’s cool to get another creative mind in there, just someone who’s thinking solely about the words and not the melodies and placement. It’s nice to read her poetry sometimes, I’ll take from that."

http://www.complex.com/music/2015/07/drake-ghostwriting-collaborating

This was all out in the open before the Meek Mill suicide tweet.

 

[pastor glo]

how does ross being a co means he never sold drugs?

 

[RustyShackleford]

And Drake has done it on every song?

How many of QM lines has he used compared his entire body of work with stands at 4 albums and 2 highly regard mixtapes

Yet you label Drake as some type of fraud that should be regard in the same regard as Puffy and Dre (MC wise) based on that same of evidence

But give Jay-Z a pass.

Brah, you drowning in you own hypocrisy

No, you are trying to deflect from Drake not writing.

So if it matters that 2 out of 90 bars are Big's. Ok you won that argument that doesn't compare.

So are you saying Drake is less of a writer then? Because that's your point?

So according to you it doesn't matter if a rapper doesn't write his own lyrics. Salt N Pepa and Queen Latifah...doesn't matter, Queen Latifah should get the credit and not Apache. Puff should get the credit instead of Los, Sauce Money, Jay, Nas and the tons of writers he's used. Right?

no because crooked co's are everywhere

But it does though

Stop with the red herrings.

It is a bad look that Drake used reference tracks. I said that from the jump

It is a bad look that Jay jacked so many bars off of dude. I have always thought that

Both of those facts don't make me like their music any less

Which part of that can't you understand

-And I'm not deflecting, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy

 

[Magic33]

how does ross being a co means he never sold drugs?

But Ross is the poster child for fraud rappers though. When people say rappers are faruds. I ask who, name names besides Ross. Because I know a lot more with criminal records who were in the streets. I never get any names though.

Stop playing naive.

 

[pastor glo]

But Ross is the poster child for fraud rappers though. When people say rappers are faruds. I ask who, name names besides Ross. Because I know a lot more with criminal records who were in the streets. I never get any names though.

Stop playing naive.

hes considered a fraud because stupid people think being a co means cop and co's cant do dirt

 

[GrizzlyAnimal]

 

[flesh prince]

How many of Quentin Miller's lines has Drake used?

Compared to his entire body of work?

You feel, on flimsy evidence it is ok to paint him as a fraud. Yet you can't see the hypocrisy of your position

Ok brah, you got it

This one goes out to you brah

Is Jay using BIG lines that we all have heard and are aware of really the same as Drake getting **** written for him?

Like I don't think Jay was trying to hide that he was using BIG lines like BIG was some obscure rapper. 

 

It's not like Drake was "paying homage" to Quentin Miller. 

 

[Magic33]

It is a bad look that Drake used reference tracks

It is a bad look that Jay jacked so many bars off of dude

Both of those facts don't make me like their music any less

Which part of that can't you understand

-And I'm not deflecting, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy

If it isn't a bad look why did Cam use it, and why did you reference it?

So come on.

I understand perfectly you're grasping at straws.

 

[RustyShackleford]

It is a bad look that Drake used reference tracks

It is a bad look that Jay jacked so many bars off of dude

Both of those facts don't make me like their music any less

Which part of that can't you understand

-And I'm not deflecting, I'm just pointing out your hypocrisy

If it isn't a bad look why did Cam use it, and why did you reference it?

So come on.

I understand perfectly you're grasping at straws.

Did you even read what you highlighted

 

[RustyShackleford]

How many of Quentin Miller's lines has Drake used?


Compared to his entire body of work?


You feel, on flimsy evidence it is ok to paint him as a fraud. Yet you can't see the hypocrisy of your position

Ok brah, you got it


This one goes out to you brah

Is Jay using BIG lines that we all have heard and are aware of really the same as Drake getting **** written for him?

Like I don't think Jay was trying to hide that he was using BIG lines like BIG was some obscure rapper.   

It's not like Drake was "paying homage" to Quentin Miller. 

So why didn't Jay credit those people as writers, since he just sampling their known lines?