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That's what I thought too, but obviously that's not that important anymore. Your PG gotta score 20 a game too.
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That's what I thought too, but obviously that's not that important anymore. Your PG gotta score 20 a game too.
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That picture never gets oldddd lololol
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IMO, Jennings and Ellis (somewhat) get a pass because they literally are playing with a team full of rejects. They HAVE to chuck up shots because they have no other options.
I agree with you about Robinson and Smith.
And Westbrook.....he literally makes me want to throw my remote at my TV. The amount of times he misses KD being WIDE OPEN because he feels like driving and taking some crazy layup is absurd. Should've traded him and kept Harden.
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I love Westbrook. Don't think he belongs to that group. He's the kind of scoring PG you can win with.
Edit: I'm going to take that back and say he might be and we should reserve judgement. Or maybe I'm just in denial because I like watching him.
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I like Westbrook's heart, but man he takes wild shots sometimes lol.
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At least he has a full game can play inside out and post-up, rebounds and plays defense so he's not as one-dimensional as those other guys.
That's my attempt at defense anyway.
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thats that same Frobe logic people gave him a pass on.
let me give you the same analogy i gave a Laker fan cousin of mine that works in upper management.
if you have employees that SUCK, and an employee spends most of his time over performing to make up for their shortcomings, it gives the false perception that those employees dont infact suck.
it also gets in the way of upper management making a determination of where help is needed.
you could have a Lin on your team, an Ariza, a Harden. but because you're doing so much of the heavy lifting you'd never know.
Westbrook, Nate, and Smith do what they do because no one tells them no, and the fans cheer as long as the shot goes in. i HATE fans like that.
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Yeah he plays hard on D too. I like him but he def takes questionable shots.
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We're not gonna respect Westbrook til OKC breaks up and you see how defenses crowd KD
I tuned out of the game for a bit after halftime so I didn't see this:
If nothing else, the Bulls' lopsided Game 1 loss figured to translate into some rest for starters. Instead, Tom Thibodeau played all three healthy starters (Carlos Boozer, Jimmy Butler and Luol Deng) regular minutes. Boozer's 45 minutes played were second in the league over the weekend to Jeff Green's 46.
What's the point of that?
If nothing else, the Bulls' lopsided Game 1 loss figured to translate into some rest for starters. Instead, Tom Thibodeau played all three healthy starters (Carlos Boozer, Jimmy Butler and Luol Deng) regular minutes. Boozer's 45 minutes played were second in the league over the weekend to Jeff Green's 46.
What's the point of that?
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congrats marc 
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Pro,
Can you post the ESPN insider article about the Grizz?
if you can
Can you post the ESPN insider article about the Grizz?
if you can
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whats up with the nba schedule. how can the next okc/hou gm be on wed
god how I wish they would go back to 5 game series, 7 games too long and takes away the chances of good upsets in 1st round.
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So by your logic, the better employee here should more or less quit on his fellow coworkers so that their shortcomings are abundantly obvious and upper management can get more qualified coworkers for that better employee?
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Pro,
Can you post the ESPN insider article about the Grizz?
Sure.
Why the Grizzlies will bounce back.
They won't. Chester was right. The end.
One of the league's most proactive teams during the regular season was the Memphis Grizzlies, who traded leading scorer Rudy Gay to the Toronto Raptors at the end of January. In doing so, Memphis shook up a roster that seemed on the fringe of the championship derby, a decision that directed a lot of flak at the team's new decision-makers.
The results were glowingly positive for the denizens of Beale Street, but after the Grizzlies coughed and sputtered their way through a Game 1 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers, skeptics might wonder if Gay's absence is finally being felt. TNT play-by-play announcer Ian Eagle floated just that notion during the Oklahoma City-Houston broadcast Sunday night. Ultimately, Memphis' problem Saturday was indeed personnel related. The persons in question, however, were the men with whistles, not the subjects of any three-month-old transactions.
Many were surprised that Memphis was stronger after the Gay deal, but the Grizzlies' point differential improved from plus-3.5 before the trade to plus-5.0 after it. All of that uptick came on the offensive end. Despite the subtraction of Memphis' leading scorer and biggest user of possessions, its reformed offense became more efficient by 3.5 points per 100 possessions.
After the trade, Memphis' effective field goal percentage improved by 2.1 percent. Its foul-drawing rate jumped by over 3 percent, and turnovers fell by 1.4 percent. Meanwhile, the Grizzlies' vaunted offensive rebounding fell off by 3.5 percent, and their rate of assisted baskets rose by 3.4 percent. All of this suggests a significant shift of offensive emphasis. Memphis was getting a different distribution of shots, and getting those looks with different plays.
The perception is that Memphis simply started dumping the ball into Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol more often to become even more paint oriented. According to NBA.com/stats, the Grizzlies got shots in the paint 2.4 percent less often after the Gay trade. Those attempts were replaced by Tayshaun Prince's midrange looks and a few more of those ever-coveted corner 3s. While Memphis didn't get more overall shots in the paint, it was more efficient down low, with its field-goal percentage in the restricted area leaping by 4.2 percent.
Howard Smith/USA TODAY Sports
After Rudy Gay (22) was traded, Jerryd Bayless stepped up for Memphis.
Prince took nearly seven fewer shots per game than Gay did. You might be surprised how those attempts were replaced. Randolph took fewer shots, Gasol took about an extra half a shot on average, and Mike Conley's number barely moved. It was Jerryd Bayless who took biggest advantage of Gay's absence. He played six more minutes after the move and nearly doubled his field goal attempts per game. Because a third of Bayless' looks come from behind the arc, and he shot over 38 percent from deep after Feb. 1, he was the biggest contributor to the Memphis' offensive improvement.
All of those offensive elements were in play in the first game against Los Angeles. The contest was played at a Grizzlies-friendly snail's pace of 83 possessions. Memphis averaged 1.1 points on those possessions. Its effective field goal percentage (.500) was better than even its post-Gay season average. As usual, the volume of 3s wasn't large, but Memphis knocked down 5-of-12 from behind the arc. They got just over half their shots in the paint, converted 67 percent of those looks, and committed only seven turnovers. Bayless scored a team-high 19 points on only 12 shots.
So the problem wasn't the absence of Gay, or any sort of offensive shortcoming. During the regular season, Memphis posted a better offensive efficiency in just 31 of its 82 regular-season games. The Grizzlies won 30 of those matchups. In fact, Memphis scored 111.8 points per 100 possessions in Game 1. Before Saturday, Memphis was a stunning 37-1 in games when it put up an offensive rating of 107.4 or better. The problems came at the other end. The Clippers' first-game offensive rating of 137.5 was 8.6 points worse than Memphis allowed in any regular-season game. It's also 20 points worse than the Grizzlies allowed in any of the four previous matchups with Los Angeles.
Everyone is pointing at the rebounding disparity, and for good reason. Memphis had just four offensive boards -- one after halftime despite 19 missed shots -- and posted its worst offensive rebound percentage of the season. At the other end, the Clippers grabbed a whopping 14 of 33 offensive rebound chances, and outscored Memphis 25-5 on second-chance points. However, the problem wasn't that after 82 games as the league's second-best rebounding team, the Grizzlies forgot how to block out. It's that they reacted poorly to the quick whistles prevalent throughout the game.
[Randolph] and Gasol have to pound the glass no matter what, because their skills in that area are the pillars on which these Grizzlies are built.
Neither team appeared very happy with the way Saturday's contest was called, but there wasn't any real disparity. Memphis was called for 29 fouls; the Clippers 28. The 57 combined whistles were the most of any Memphis game all season. Both teams saw their big men get into foul trouble. The Clippers' Blake Griffin was the one player to foul out. He and Randolph, his power forward counterpart, were each held under 26 minutes.
But while both teams had to deal with a tightly called game, the Clippers were able to remain aggressive, while Memphis went into a shell. Neither Gasol nor Randolph grabbed a single offensive rebound in the game. As good as Memphis was on offense, it would have been even better had the Grizzlies stayed aggressive on the boards and collected something close to their normal rate of offensive rebounds.
During that decisive fourth period, the Clippers grabbed 11-of-12 off Memphis' glass and scored eight of their 10 fast-break points. Eric Bledsoe turned into a one-man break, making all six of his shots in the final period, five of them coming at the rim, while the Clippers made 12-of-15 in the paint during the last 12 minutes. Randolph was a non-factor after picking up his fourth foul, a charge with 3:47 to go in the third quarter. He didn't return to action until 5:33 remained in the game, and almost immediately was called for his fifth foul. At that point, Memphis was down by 11, but the Clippers rolled to a 22-12 finish after that.
None of this, you might notice, has much to do with whether or not Rudy Gay was on the floor.
There are a couple of considerations moving forward. First, given the way the game was going, it would have been worth the risk for Lionel Hollins to bring Randolph back much earlier in the game. However, it wouldn't have mattered if Randolph still played as reticently as he finished Saturday's game. He and Gasol have to pound the glass no matter what, because their skills in that area are the pillars on which these Grizzlies are built.
Hollins will surely pound that point home before Monday's second game. It's also worth noting that Saturday's officiating crew of John Goble, Scott Foster and Bill Kennedy was comprised of guys who tend to be a little quick with the foul call, but Monday's Game 2 will feature an all-new crew.
There were a lot of things about Saturday's game that were exceptional, but focus on the root of that adjective -- exception. The Memphis performance we saw two days ago was an aberration, and chances are we won't see it again, especially if the referees are a little more liberal with their foul calls.
The results were glowingly positive for the denizens of Beale Street, but after the Grizzlies coughed and sputtered their way through a Game 1 loss to the Los Angeles Clippers, skeptics might wonder if Gay's absence is finally being felt. TNT play-by-play announcer Ian Eagle floated just that notion during the Oklahoma City-Houston broadcast Sunday night. Ultimately, Memphis' problem Saturday was indeed personnel related. The persons in question, however, were the men with whistles, not the subjects of any three-month-old transactions.
Many were surprised that Memphis was stronger after the Gay deal, but the Grizzlies' point differential improved from plus-3.5 before the trade to plus-5.0 after it. All of that uptick came on the offensive end. Despite the subtraction of Memphis' leading scorer and biggest user of possessions, its reformed offense became more efficient by 3.5 points per 100 possessions.
After the trade, Memphis' effective field goal percentage improved by 2.1 percent. Its foul-drawing rate jumped by over 3 percent, and turnovers fell by 1.4 percent. Meanwhile, the Grizzlies' vaunted offensive rebounding fell off by 3.5 percent, and their rate of assisted baskets rose by 3.4 percent. All of this suggests a significant shift of offensive emphasis. Memphis was getting a different distribution of shots, and getting those looks with different plays.
The perception is that Memphis simply started dumping the ball into Zach Randolph and Marc Gasol more often to become even more paint oriented. According to NBA.com/stats, the Grizzlies got shots in the paint 2.4 percent less often after the Gay trade. Those attempts were replaced by Tayshaun Prince's midrange looks and a few more of those ever-coveted corner 3s. While Memphis didn't get more overall shots in the paint, it was more efficient down low, with its field-goal percentage in the restricted area leaping by 4.2 percent.
Howard Smith/USA TODAY Sports
After Rudy Gay (22) was traded, Jerryd Bayless stepped up for Memphis.
Prince took nearly seven fewer shots per game than Gay did. You might be surprised how those attempts were replaced. Randolph took fewer shots, Gasol took about an extra half a shot on average, and Mike Conley's number barely moved. It was Jerryd Bayless who took biggest advantage of Gay's absence. He played six more minutes after the move and nearly doubled his field goal attempts per game. Because a third of Bayless' looks come from behind the arc, and he shot over 38 percent from deep after Feb. 1, he was the biggest contributor to the Memphis' offensive improvement.
All of those offensive elements were in play in the first game against Los Angeles. The contest was played at a Grizzlies-friendly snail's pace of 83 possessions. Memphis averaged 1.1 points on those possessions. Its effective field goal percentage (.500) was better than even its post-Gay season average. As usual, the volume of 3s wasn't large, but Memphis knocked down 5-of-12 from behind the arc. They got just over half their shots in the paint, converted 67 percent of those looks, and committed only seven turnovers. Bayless scored a team-high 19 points on only 12 shots.
So the problem wasn't the absence of Gay, or any sort of offensive shortcoming. During the regular season, Memphis posted a better offensive efficiency in just 31 of its 82 regular-season games. The Grizzlies won 30 of those matchups. In fact, Memphis scored 111.8 points per 100 possessions in Game 1. Before Saturday, Memphis was a stunning 37-1 in games when it put up an offensive rating of 107.4 or better. The problems came at the other end. The Clippers' first-game offensive rating of 137.5 was 8.6 points worse than Memphis allowed in any regular-season game. It's also 20 points worse than the Grizzlies allowed in any of the four previous matchups with Los Angeles.
Everyone is pointing at the rebounding disparity, and for good reason. Memphis had just four offensive boards -- one after halftime despite 19 missed shots -- and posted its worst offensive rebound percentage of the season. At the other end, the Clippers grabbed a whopping 14 of 33 offensive rebound chances, and outscored Memphis 25-5 on second-chance points. However, the problem wasn't that after 82 games as the league's second-best rebounding team, the Grizzlies forgot how to block out. It's that they reacted poorly to the quick whistles prevalent throughout the game.
[Randolph] and Gasol have to pound the glass no matter what, because their skills in that area are the pillars on which these Grizzlies are built.
Neither team appeared very happy with the way Saturday's contest was called, but there wasn't any real disparity. Memphis was called for 29 fouls; the Clippers 28. The 57 combined whistles were the most of any Memphis game all season. Both teams saw their big men get into foul trouble. The Clippers' Blake Griffin was the one player to foul out. He and Randolph, his power forward counterpart, were each held under 26 minutes.
But while both teams had to deal with a tightly called game, the Clippers were able to remain aggressive, while Memphis went into a shell. Neither Gasol nor Randolph grabbed a single offensive rebound in the game. As good as Memphis was on offense, it would have been even better had the Grizzlies stayed aggressive on the boards and collected something close to their normal rate of offensive rebounds.
During that decisive fourth period, the Clippers grabbed 11-of-12 off Memphis' glass and scored eight of their 10 fast-break points. Eric Bledsoe turned into a one-man break, making all six of his shots in the final period, five of them coming at the rim, while the Clippers made 12-of-15 in the paint during the last 12 minutes. Randolph was a non-factor after picking up his fourth foul, a charge with 3:47 to go in the third quarter. He didn't return to action until 5:33 remained in the game, and almost immediately was called for his fifth foul. At that point, Memphis was down by 11, but the Clippers rolled to a 22-12 finish after that.
None of this, you might notice, has much to do with whether or not Rudy Gay was on the floor.
There are a couple of considerations moving forward. First, given the way the game was going, it would have been worth the risk for Lionel Hollins to bring Randolph back much earlier in the game. However, it wouldn't have mattered if Randolph still played as reticently as he finished Saturday's game. He and Gasol have to pound the glass no matter what, because their skills in that area are the pillars on which these Grizzlies are built.
Hollins will surely pound that point home before Monday's second game. It's also worth noting that Saturday's officiating crew of John Goble, Scott Foster and Bill Kennedy was comprised of guys who tend to be a little quick with the foul call, but Monday's Game 2 will feature an all-new crew.
There were a lot of things about Saturday's game that were exceptional, but focus on the root of that adjective -- exception. The Memphis performance we saw two days ago was an aberration, and chances are we won't see it again, especially if the referees are a little more liberal with their foul calls.
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Well if upper management can't see that Ellis and Jennings need help they need new upper management
.Westbrook and Smith have no excuse for the wreck less shooting they do because they have options, very good options.
OKC would benefit a lot by having a pass first PG who CAN score instead of a shoot first pg who passes because he's supposed to.
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What happened to Josh Smith? Lol
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Pro,
Can you post the ESPN insider article about the Grizz?
Sure.
Why the Grizzlies will bounce back.
They won't. Chester was right. The end.
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at the spoiler.Preciate it Pro
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And put who a pass first PG like Rondo on the Thunder right so it could be 1 V 5 on offense for KDWell if upper management can't see that Ellis and Jennings need help they need new upper management.
Westbrook and Smith have no excuse for the wreck less shooting they do because they have options, very good options.
OKC would benefit a lot by having a pass first PG who CAN score instead of a shoot first pg who passes because he's supposed to.
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