Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[IATT]

That Thunder trade is interesting. I don't think I give you Lamb AND our a first rd pick though, and certainly not the Toronto pick we have for next yr. Lamb, Jones, and even sophomore Reggie Jackson haven't impressed in their limited garbage minutes so far. Maybe we should send them all to Tulsa to get some chemistry together, some pt, and some confidence. But if you'd take Perkins and any one of Lamb, Jones, Jackson, or either our own 1st rd pick and/or or a 2nd rd pick, I'd be all about it.

no way in hell i would trade that toronto pick.. and i would be pretty reluctant to give up lamb

so basically anyone outside of KD, russ, ibaka, and lamb can be had.. i wouldnt want to include collison, but if we can get gortat i'm cool with it

soo that leaves: our other 2 first round picks, whatever 2nd round picks we have, maynor, jackson, thabo, perkins and whoever else

maynor, perkins and the other 2 first round picks?

- would love to be able to get dudley too, as if any of this possible

 

[datznasty]

I'd sign off on that, but if we give up Maynor then give us Telfair (they'd probably want to force Johnson into the deal :x ). Jackson isn't ready to become full time backup point. And I agree while he's bad now, Lamb is good Kevin Martin insurance. I hope we can resign Martin for something like 3yrs 24 mil provided he stays healthy all season and his production stays consistently around where it is now (I figure his 3pt and fg shooting %s right now are both unsustainable but if he settles around ~ 45%fg and ~40% 3ptfg at 17ppg that's good value). Even if we don't retain Maynor (his QO is 3.5mil)

Our starting lineup alone makes 58 mil next season so even if we don't sign KMart, we'll be dangerously close to the 70mil threshhold so it'll be interesting to see what Presti does; make another cost cutting move that sacrifices on court result potentially (like letting Martin walk and just keeping Lamb), or convincing billionaire *** Bennett and his boys to give us a chance and go over for a few yrs/

ESPN trade machine says trading Varajeo for Perkins increases our wins by 10, again I just can't see any circumstance where we could get him though, even if we gave them the Toronto pick, which I would to get AV.

Sam Amico ‏@SamAmicoFSOWord around NBA is Jazz G Alec Burks is available. Burks, the 12th overall draft pick in 2011, has played in just 5 of Jazz's 10 games.

 

[do be doo]

And you'll be doin the same since your team ain't seen June in 6 years. Stop frontin like the book ain't out on your squad. Memphis is still getting better, spurs been done for years.

Followin me around quote after quote like a little lost puppy. Sad, just sad.

Yo this NT not twitter dont follow me dawg.

The facts dont agree with your last sentence.

SPURS bounce in the 1st round 2011. WCF 2012

grizz game 7 2nd round 2011. Lose game 7 in THE 1ST ROUND 2012.

SPURS also swept that team the grizz loss too in 2012. So whos getting better?

 

[lawdog1]

^^^You need to get over that sweep of the Clippers already. That wasn't the real Clippers team that the Spurs beat because neither CP3 or Griffin was close to 100% in that series. Butler was hurt too. So, while the Spurs definitely looked good in that series, you can't use it as a barometer for what direction any franchise is heading.

 

[buc em]

I hate how Doug Collins almost refuses to play his rookie 1st rounders in their first year. Arnett Moultrie is the best PF on the Sixers roster by far already. He's barely logged a minute so far in the regular season.


If Bynum isn't playing by atleast January I'm gonna hunt that bastard down. I don't give a **** "what's best for him in the long run"....there's no way his 7 foot *** can't get out there and play a little. Atleast that trade has forced Jrue into being "the man" and he's put up big numbers. If we kept the same team around it would still be the same boring **** watching Iguodala think he's Kobe some nights. Now it's still boring but atleast it's a better player making those plays.

 

[big j 33]

I'd love to see Burks stay and develop alongside Hayward, Favors, and Kanter, because I like all of those guys... if you're not playing the kid then trade him.

 

[addict4sneakers]

The suns, bobcats, and hawks should all be interested in Burks.

 

[pmatic]

DeMarre Carroll getting time over Alec Burks. I know they don''t play the same position, but still.

 

[blakep267]

I dont really care if bynum plays or not this season. Im just happy we got rid of Iguadala. So after this season we will have tons of cap room

 

[pmatic]

Coach Woodson got a tech 90 seconds in the game. Good Sunday Joey Crawford.

 

[addict4sneakers]

jason kidd is out there looking like donnie mcgrath with that headband on

 

[airjordan jb23]

Bynum never fails to bring the lulz

 

[pmatic]

The Pacers could use a point guard that could create for others like Darren Collison. Too bad they traded him away for no reason.

 

[kingfoamnyc]

The Pacers could use a point guard guard that could create for others like Darren Collison. Too bad they traded him for no reason.

idiotic move

 

[jumpman91023]

The Pacers could use a point guard guard that could create for others like Darren Collison. Too bad they traded him for no reason.

Never understood that, they gave up a playmaker and a good athletic wing defender in Jones. But I guess they wanted a center to back up hibbert.

 

[do be doo]

^^^You need to get over that sweep of the Clippers already. That wasn't the real Clippers team that the Spurs beat because neither CP3 or Griffin was close to 100% in that series. Butler was hurt too. So, while the Spurs definitely looked good in that series, you can't use it as a barometer for what direction any franchise is heading.

Clippers are curse bro. Not the SPURS problem that the clips cant be healthy come May.

Facts are facts.

Clips better come to play mañana.

 

[kevin cleveland]

I always thought Burks was the "worst" of their four young guns, but it's not like they have a ton of wing depth, especially going forward.

 

[Bert.]

The Pacers could use a point guard guard that could create for others like Darren Collison. Too bad they traded him for no reason.

idiotic move

agreed

 

[solarius49]

The Pacers could use a point guard guard that could create for others like Darren Collison. Too bad they traded him for no reason.

Never understood that, they gave up a playmaker and a good athletic wing defender in Jones. But I guess they wanted a center to back up hibbert.

all this. Plus the fact that they drafted Miles Plumlee in the first round

 

[T0INE]

@ that Kobe gif and how it was so excellently use.

 

[Deleted member 38182]

I always thought Burks was the "worst" of their four young guns, but it's not like they have a ton of wing depth, especially going forward.

Tyreke for Burks and picks.


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Originally Posted by solarius49  

The Pacers could use a point guard guard that could create for others like Darren Collison. Too bad they traded him for no reason.

Never understood that, they gave up a playmaker and a good athletic wing defender in Jones. But I guess they wanted a center to back up hibbert.

all this. Plus the fact that they drafted Miles Plumlee in the first round

I loved that Plumlee pick 

From possible undrafted rookie to first round pick, all for the Pacers love of white folks.

 

[awwsome]

I'd love to see Burks stay and develop alongside Hayward, Favors, and Kanter, because I like all of those guys... if you're not playing the kid then trade him.

That would be an awesome young core, like all those guys as well especially Kanter & Favors both future 20/10 guys in my opinion if given the shot.
Utah just got too much young talent honestly, expect to see a big trade near the deadline with them.

AD is going to be a star, if he stays healthy he is going to take ROY from Lillard.
His length, unique skill set and mindset all lead to him being elite maybe even top 5 in the league in a couple years.
If the hornets and can trade gordon for a good wingman they can be dangerous in the coming years

 

[pepperjackchees]

The Sixers are done imo. They set themselves back 5 years by drafting Evan Turner. Now they look like idiots with this Bynum mess, which is going to set them back another year at least. 

 

[ballinsam23]

we say every year expect Millsap or Al Jeff to be traded by the deadline and it never happens. I doubt it happens now too. They should trade both IMO and rely on their young guys + draft picks. That team is stuck in mediocracy with that current roster.

I also believe that Favors/Kanter should start and could be 20/10 guys with 35+ min a game.

 

[pmatic]

Speaking of, here's a good article on Jefferson and the young bigs in Utah from a few days ago.

Al Jefferson is all grown up

Al Jefferson is having a shooting contest with the rest of the Utah big men after the morning walkthrough, which is unusual because Jefferson isn't the kind of guy you think about when you think about big men and shooting. In a world of stretch fours and 7-footers who shoot like guards, Jefferson is the last of the throwbacks -- the get it on the block, turn, pump fake and go breed of big men who used to dominate this game and now are as rare as, well, people like Al Jefferson.

Earlier this week, Jefferson drained a 3-pointer at the end of Utah's game against Toronto that not only sent the contest into overtime, it also doubled his career tally from the behind the arc from one to two. The Jazz went on to win in triple overtime and it was the kind of improbable early-season win that could mean something, or could mean nothing at all, which is basically where Utah finds itself again this young season.

The Jazz are 4-5. They are pretty good on offense, mediocre or worse on defense and have a roster filled with young talent and middle-aged vets that is going somewhere, although no one really knows where at this point. Their biggest asset right now is their size. In addition to Jefferson and Paul Millsap, they have young, athletic freaks like Derrick Favors and Enes Kanter, whom Jefferson refers to constantly as "Big Turkey."

If they have a signature player, it's probably Jefferson, although stat heads have been in love with Millsap's game for years. Although there is much to love about Jefferson's old-school offensive game the advanced metrics haven't been quite as kind, especially on the defensive end, but he's put in work on the other end of the court.

Both of them are free agents at the end of the season, which is Utah's second-biggest asset. As it stands the Jazz have only $26 million committed for next season and that includes players like Favors, Kanter, Gordon Hayward and Alec Burks who are all on their rookie contracts.

All of that brings us back to the shooting contest. Jefferson tells us that Jeremy Evans actually won and with a laugh he says that he let him win to build up his confidence, which is a nice little way to sum up Big Al.

"He's been tremendous," his coach Ty Corbin says. "Great team guy. Good leader with this group of guys."

It's suggested that not all veterans would be so accommodating, especially with a couple of players who may wind up taking his job. Corbin agrees. "Great mentor for the young guys," Corbin says. "Especially with Enes and Derrick."

Jefferson loves to teach his young pups new tricks, like his patented pump fakes.

"I work with Big Turkey and Favors all the time on it," he says. "Yeeeahh. They athletic now, but one day you're legs are going to leave you so you got to bring out your little tricks. Why not have it now when you're athletic? Derrick Favors and Big Turkey do a great job with it, especially Turk. I could teach him a move tonight and he'll pick it up like that."

Jefferson's voice calls to mind the Stax rhythm section: steady, low and slow with enough country-fried syncopation to draw you in and a dash of hot buttered warmth to make you feel welcome. He'll conclude our interview by asking me how I've been despite the fact that we've never met before. He takes obvious pride in that kind of human interaction, just as he does with teaching his young charges the tricks of his trade.

"I would never tell (Kanter) this, he does it better than me. He makes it look better than I do." Jefferson laughs --- heh-heh-heh. "I'm glad those guys are learning something from me."

Al Jefferson came to the NBA from Prentiss, Mississippi, a town so small he jokes it could fit inside TD Garden. He arrived with the Celtics at the same time Danny Ainge was dismantling a good, but hardly great team, and had to grow up quickly under a demanding coach in Doc Rivers.

"One thing about D-O-C man, he's going to be the same guy every time you see him," Jefferson says. "He believes in tough love."

For a while he wasn't sure what to make of his coach, but then Rivers told him that the day he stopped getting on him was the day he had to worry.

"It reminded me of my grandmother," Jefferson says. "She believed in the same thing, that tough love. That was one thing about Doc even to this day now. He always treats me the same even though I haven't played for him in the last five years."

They were all young back then. Big Al, Perk, Delonte, TA, Leon Powe, Bassy Telfair. It was sink or swim and mostly they sunk, losing 18 in a row at one point without Paul Pierce to help carry them. But Jefferson emerged in his third season, averaging 16 points and 11 rebounds.

"We had to grow up fast," he says. "We was young but we were the guys that were counted on to go out and do the job. We got paid to do a job and he expected us to go out and do it. It taught me a lot in my younger days, you know what I'm saying? I thank him for that."

Jefferson may have learned a little too well. He was good enough to be the key piece in the Kevin Garnett trade, but that was many lifetimes ago now. "I've been past that point, brother," he says about coming back to the Garden. "It's a game that we need to win."

Still, he has love for Boston and the organization that raised him. "This was my first home," he says. "This is the team that gave me a chance. Much respect to Danny Ainge and Doc Rivers for that. They're the ones that pulled me out of Prentiss, Mississippi. I'll always love them for that."

Jefferson was the first building block of a rebuilding project in Minnesota and he piled up huge numbers on a team that was going nowhere fast. He signed a big extension -- five years and $65 million -- but once it was determined that he and Kevin Love didn't really fit together on the court he was off to Utah, just in time for the Wolves to emerge from their post-KG hibernation.

Those first years in Utah were hard. Jerry Sloan left, Deron Williams was traded and the rebuilding cycle continued again. But Jefferson helped push the Jazz into the playoffs and seven years after making the postseason as a rookie he was finally back, if only long enough for a four-game sweep against the Spurs.

"He hit that one little stretch, you can see he's fought through that," Rivers says. "Making that playoff run, and he was a big part of it last year, has re-stoked him and it's good."

It's a quirk of NBA life that Jefferson keeps getting moved the minute things start to click and it may happen again after this season. There are many players in this league who would be resentful about those kinds of circumstances, but not Big Al.

"I'm looking at last year as the beginning of a new era for me," Jefferson says. "I'm not really surprised the way things we went because the situations I was in. At the end of the day it's a blessing to be in the NBA and that's the way I look at it."

Now Jefferson is the teacher.

"I let ‘em know," Jefferson says. "One of my bigs said they was tired. I was like, tired? You're 20 years old, ain't no way in the world you should be tired, yannowhatImean? That's exactly what Doc would have said. I try to teach them that. At the end of the day no matter how old you are, they drafted you for a reason to come out and do a job and you got to do it, night in and night out. Regardless of how tired you are, regardless if you don't feel like it. It's something you got to do. I think they responded well to it."

He pauses and lets out a slow sigh. "I'm going to be 28 in a couple of months."

That's not old, I tell him.

"I know," he says laughing. "But nine years in. So I'm not old but it's old compared to going against a 20-year-old and 21-year-old like Derrick Favors and Big Turkey here. Them guys are young. Ath-letic. They keep me young. They make me better."

Time's up. The bus is leaving and Jefferson slowly walks off the court with ice bags around both knees. He's a veteran in his prime with a decade's worth of tricks to teach and the cycle continues.

"It just happens quick," Rivers says. "The league is quick. It moves quick."

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