OFFICIAL NBA 2017-2018 Off-Season Thread

[hardens beard]

Face of the franchise as in setting the culture, style of play, leadership, etc. That's all still realistic. He was never going to be the leading scorer so I don't know why that facet of his game is being harped on so much.

Can't have the face of the franchise not standing up for teammates. That ain't a good look at all.

 

[gaiiige]

 

[EddieDoyers]

What’s this ****in meme that Lonzo can’t dribble
I seen him get by his matchup plenty of times
Problem is that he finishes poorly at times or has questionable decision making after beating his man

 

[jab step]

Face of the franchise as in setting the culture, style of play, leadership, etc. That's all still realistic. He was never going to be the leading scorer so I don't know why that facet of his game is being harped on so much.

For sure, agreed. He’s not even playing terrible. He’s been doing everything well except score. But the scoring/shooting aspect of the game is huge.

I’m just happy you’re so patient with a young point guard.

 

[Quincy McCall]

I don't know why that facet of his game is being harped on so much.

Cause it's pretty bad...

 

[MVP]

Link to the stats? It'd be interesting to see the numbers on all the rookies to provide context

Not to mention switching from bench to starting between Fox and Smith specifically

Lots of fluid situations that play into it, like lineups for instance

Just quick look at NBA.com

Net rating
Lonzo: -5.1
DSJ: -15.2
Fox: -14.4

ZO has higher AST%, REB% and PIE (player impact estimate) than both DSJ & Fox yet all we hear is rave reviews of those 2.

And the Lakers best lineup is with Zo, JC, BI, Kuz, Randle but they don't play that nearly enough. Majority of his time is with KCP and Brook.

 

[P C H]

Yeahhhhh I personally always worry when a player's best asset are non tangible things such as "Setting the culture" "Style of play" that **** will have you out of the league

Not saying that that's lonzo's fate, just saying that in general.

 

[P C H]

Face of the franchise as in setting the culture, style of play, leadership, etc. That's all still realistic. He was never going to be the leading scorer so I don't know why that facet of his game is being harped on so much.

You don't know why it's harped on so much?

Fam, no good team in the NBA today has a point guard that can't score and create for themselves. Not a single one.

It matters.

 

[suavamente]

this is not that bad lol

 

[jab step]

Sheesh this dude bringing up advanced stats now.

The irony is amazing.

 

[P C H]

And What does any of those numbers mean in regards to rookies? who cares about rookies net rating? Rookies are bad. Their teams are bad. It's not about the numbers with rookies it's way more of what you see.

 

[pums]

BBB till the death of me i still have faith

 

[MVP]

You don't know why it's harped on so much?

Fam, no good team in the NBA today has a point guard that can't score and create for themselves. Not a single one.

It matters.

Ok. If/when his shot actually starts falling a little more consistently and he still has no impact I'll get worried.

 

[frshstunna]

Saturday...what y’all sippin on??

 

[shotsrangout]

Saturday...what y’all sippin on??

Work

 

[Quincy McCall]

Comin' for the crown eh'... pls

 

[jjs07]

Lonzo got more pie

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

It's like people who call him this fantastic playmaker forget that part of being a great playmaker is making plays for yourself, something he can't do at all.

I really don't care about the numbers with zo. They're funny, but they don't really matter. What you see is more concerning than the numbers.

Can you really have a starting pg in the NBA who can't dribble? Can't create for himself at all?

As historically bad as the shooting is, as much as he can't create off the dribble, to me it's impressive he is still putting up those assist numbers and creating looks for others consistently whether you believe he's making safe passes or not

The creation off the dribble definitely worries me more so than I thought it would, just like his shooting. Out of PnR despite his limitations I have still seen downhill action and I have seen easy opportunities created (whether they are converted or not is another story). Granted I'm really squeezing juice out of a grape but still, they exist

To answer your last question, to the degree of "can't dribble" is the debate. Just like hitting an open shot, to which degree would he need to develop to reach the potential I foresaw... it's definitely a logical thing for you all to be down on him. Can't even deny that, been that way from the jump too

 

[EddieDoyers]

Ben Simmons has been the best rookie point guard of this season

 

[nick.]

Just quick look at NBA.com

Net rating
Lonzo: -5.1
DSJ: -15.2
Fox: -14.4

Ntilikina: 5.0

 

[ill steelo]

Face of the franchise as in setting the culture, style of play, leadership, etc. That's all still realistic. He was never going to be the leading scorer so I don't know why that facet of his game is being harped on so much.

Didn’t play pnr either, which has also been “harped” on.

Add it all up and I’m not seeing any makings of an elite playmaker. His game has always screamed role player to me.

 

[Vincent Van Goat]

Ben Simmons has been the best rookie point guard of this season

All-Star fo sho

 

[MVP]

Didn’t play pnr either, which has also been “harped” on.

Add it all up and I’m not seeing any makings of an elite playmaker. His game has always screamed role player to me.

And I've seen him make the right play out of PnR damn near every time he's run it this season. Could he look to attack more sure. But he can and has been running it.

 

[EddieDoyers]

I gotta give Lavar props though
That marketing got people talkin even though Lonzo has been inconsistent lol

 

[MVP]

Lonzo got more pie

Getting my Wavy on