Official NBA OFF-SEASON Thread - 2011: Free Agency Dec. 9th

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

[h1]Kobe undergoes extreme knee makeover[/h1]
Lakers guard Kobe Bryant has taken an unusual step to try to strengthen his ailing right knee, undergoing an innovative procedure in Germany about a month ago, according to four people familiar with the situation who were not authorized to speak publicly.

The treatment is called platelet-rich plasma therapy. PRP procedures are less invasive than many surgeries involving the knee and are genreviewed as either an emerging solution to knee problems or a financial gamble on unproven science.

Bryant, who turns 33 next month, has been bothered in recent seasons by an arthritic joint in his right knee. He has undergone three other knee procedures since 2003, including surgery last July to remove unspecified loose bodies.

He sat out an overwhelming majority of the Lakers' practices this past season and saw his scoring, shooting percentage and minutes decrease in his 15th NBA season. He has three years and $83.5 million left on his contract with the Lakers.

Bryant declined through a representative to comment for this story, but after the Lakers were eliminated by Dallas in the playoffs, he spoke of the need to "train and get strong" during the off-season.

"Last year I had [knee] surgery," Bryant said in May. "The year before that, we played deep into June so I didn't have a chance to grind like I would like to, but this summer I have that chance."

Regarding his knee, he added that "there's another level that I feel like I can get to." He did not specifically mention PRP.

The PRP procedure is fairly simple and takes about an hour. A small amount of blood is drawn from the patient's arm and spun in a centrifuge for about 20 minutes to isolate platelets. With guidance from ultrasound, the platelets are then injected into the injured area to try to stimulate tissue repair.

Athletes often begin rehabilitation about a week after the procedure, and it sometimes takes six to eight weeks to fully determine the benefit, said Steven Sampson, a clinical instructor of medicine at UCLA and the founder of the Orthohealing Center in Los Angeles.

"It's definitely not a prolonged recovery," Sampson said. "The beauty of the PRP is we don't restrict activity. We want blood flow."

If patients feel pain in the area, they are told to reduce their rehabilitation workload or rest for an established time.

But do PRP procedures really work? The consensus is that more long-term research needs to be done.

"Right now, the data is immature," said Allan Mishra, an orthopedic surgeon who administers PRP treatments and is an adjunct professor of orthopedic surgery at Stanford University Medical Center. "There is a lot of cool stuff going on, but I temper that by saying we have a lot more work to do before it is definitive."

The procedure isn't close to mainstream but is becoming more common and might take another two to four years to fully validate, Mishra said.

"The interesting part is that it's not super complicated," he said. "It's really only your own blood taken out of a vein and prepared right in front of you and then put back in an area of your condition. So the concept is to try and use within your own body to help heal yourself. This is an opportunity to really take advantage of the body's own natural ability."

In addition to Bryant, tennis star Rafael Nadal, golfer Tiger Woods and Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward reportedly have undergone PRP treatments for their knees.

Other NBA players also experimented with PRP last season, including reserve Golden State guard Acie Law on his wrist and Portland guard Brandon Roy on his hamstring.

The World Anti-Doping Agency and US Anti-Doping Agency debated in recent years whether PRP led to unfair athletic enhancement, but both entities determined last year it was fair for Olympic competition if it wasn't mixed with human-growth hormone (HGH) or insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1).

"What we're hearing from our athletes is that it's not demonstrated that it enhances performance at all," said Travis Tygart, chief executive of USADA. "If you get PRP with HGH added to it, yeah, no question, but that is prohibited. As the [PRP] technique started gaining some traction over the last two or three years in athlete circles and among doctors that treat athletes, those doing it without HGH and IGF-1 weren't seeing the same benefits. There wasn't enough evidence that PRP by itself was proving enough enhancement to make it unfair."

After the Lakers were eliminated in the playoffs, Bryant, who'd heard plenty about his supposedly declining skills, said there was something that would motivate him in the off-season.

"What I think about is shutting up those [people] saying that I'm done," he said.
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I'm no medical expert, but this procedure doesn't seem to involve much risk. Having said that, you gotta admire a guy for leaving no stone unturned.
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@ managing to keep this under wraps for a month in this day and age.




I do this procedure in my office. Very low risk. We take patients blood, put it into a centrifuge and collect the platelets that have proteins that enhance healing without surgery. Kobe just needs to rest while he does this and take it slow.


Does anyone have a list of teams that are "losing" money?
 
Originally Posted by abovelegit1

[h1]Kobe undergoes extreme knee makeover[/h1]
Lakers guard Kobe Bryant has taken an unusual step to try to strengthen his ailing right knee, undergoing an innovative procedure in Germany about a month ago, according to four people familiar with the situation who were not authorized to speak publicly.

The treatment is called platelet-rich plasma therapy. PRP procedures are less invasive than many surgeries involving the knee and are genreviewed as either an emerging solution to knee problems or a financial gamble on unproven science.

Bryant, who turns 33 next month, has been bothered in recent seasons by an arthritic joint in his right knee. He has undergone three other knee procedures since 2003, including surgery last July to remove unspecified loose bodies.

He sat out an overwhelming majority of the Lakers' practices this past season and saw his scoring, shooting percentage and minutes decrease in his 15th NBA season. He has three years and $83.5 million left on his contract with the Lakers.

Bryant declined through a representative to comment for this story, but after the Lakers were eliminated by Dallas in the playoffs, he spoke of the need to "train and get strong" during the off-season.

"Last year I had [knee] surgery," Bryant said in May. "The year before that, we played deep into June so I didn't have a chance to grind like I would like to, but this summer I have that chance."

Regarding his knee, he added that "there's another level that I feel like I can get to." He did not specifically mention PRP.

The PRP procedure is fairly simple and takes about an hour. A small amount of blood is drawn from the patient's arm and spun in a centrifuge for about 20 minutes to isolate platelets. With guidance from ultrasound, the platelets are then injected into the injured area to try to stimulate tissue repair.

Athletes often begin rehabilitation about a week after the procedure, and it sometimes takes six to eight weeks to fully determine the benefit, said Steven Sampson, a clinical instructor of medicine at UCLA and the founder of the Orthohealing Center in Los Angeles.

"It's definitely not a prolonged recovery," Sampson said. "The beauty of the PRP is we don't restrict activity. We want blood flow."

If patients feel pain in the area, they are told to reduce their rehabilitation workload or rest for an established time.

But do PRP procedures really work? The consensus is that more long-term research needs to be done.

"Right now, the data is immature," said Allan Mishra, an orthopedic surgeon who administers PRP treatments and is an adjunct professor of orthopedic surgery at Stanford University Medical Center. "There is a lot of cool stuff going on, but I temper that by saying we have a lot more work to do before it is definitive."

The procedure isn't close to mainstream but is becoming more common and might take another two to four years to fully validate, Mishra said.

"The interesting part is that it's not super complicated," he said. "It's really only your own blood taken out of a vein and prepared right in front of you and then put back in an area of your condition. So the concept is to try and use within your own body to help heal yourself. This is an opportunity to really take advantage of the body's own natural ability."

In addition to Bryant, tennis star Rafael Nadal, golfer Tiger Woods and Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Hines Ward reportedly have undergone PRP treatments for their knees.

Other NBA players also experimented with PRP last season, including reserve Golden State guard Acie Law on his wrist and Portland guard Brandon Roy on his hamstring.

The World Anti-Doping Agency and US Anti-Doping Agency debated in recent years whether PRP led to unfair athletic enhancement, but both entities determined last year it was fair for Olympic competition if it wasn't mixed with human-growth hormone (HGH) or insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1).

"What we're hearing from our athletes is that it's not demonstrated that it enhances performance at all," said Travis Tygart, chief executive of USADA. "If you get PRP with HGH added to it, yeah, no question, but that is prohibited. As the [PRP] technique started gaining some traction over the last two or three years in athlete circles and among doctors that treat athletes, those doing it without HGH and IGF-1 weren't seeing the same benefits. There wasn't enough evidence that PRP by itself was proving enough enhancement to make it unfair."

After the Lakers were eliminated in the playoffs, Bryant, who'd heard plenty about his supposedly declining skills, said there was something that would motivate him in the off-season.

"What I think about is shutting up those [people] saying that I'm done," he said.
http://www.foxsportswest....D=536159&feedID=3707


I'm no medical expert, but this procedure doesn't seem to involve much risk. Having said that, you gotta admire a guy for leaving no stone unturned.
eek.gif
@ managing to keep this under wraps for a month in this day and age.




I do this procedure in my office. Very low risk. We take patients blood, put it into a centrifuge and collect the platelets that have proteins that enhance healing without surgery. Kobe just needs to rest while he does this and take it slow.


Does anyone have a list of teams that are "losing" money?
 
All because of greed
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The players want too much money/owners want too much money............
I really dont see one side giving in soon..........
Im really suprised that players are willing to forgo their salaries for a full year.
As MJ put it "They dont really care about us".........
 
All because of greed
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The players want too much money/owners want too much money............
I really dont see one side giving in soon..........
Im really suprised that players are willing to forgo their salaries for a full year.
As MJ put it "They dont really care about us".........
 
The NBA doesn't care about the fans. They are arrogant enough to think that no matter what happens we'll come crawling back to them after they fight over money. We all know they're thinking this because it makes no financial sense to make the fans angry unless you think they'll come crawling back.
 
The NBA doesn't care about the fans. They are arrogant enough to think that no matter what happens we'll come crawling back to them after they fight over money. We all know they're thinking this because it makes no financial sense to make the fans angry unless you think they'll come crawling back.
 
most people on this site will come back. But regular casual fans I don't know...

i guess they banking on lebron still being polarizing. But if they kill the superteams that miami has and new york is trying to make and possibly the nets. go hardcap. i don't see people coming back too mcuh
 
most people on this site will come back. But regular casual fans I don't know...

i guess they banking on lebron still being polarizing. But if they kill the superteams that miami has and new york is trying to make and possibly the nets. go hardcap. i don't see people coming back too mcuh
 
[h3]Durant: Players 'Not Going To Give In' To Owners[/h3]
Jul 01, 2011 10:17 AM EDT

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Two-time scoring champion Kevin Durant wants the NBA's owners to listen up.

“We're going to stand up for what we have to do, no matter how long it's going to take,
 
[h3]Durant: Players 'Not Going To Give In' To Owners[/h3]
Jul 01, 2011 10:17 AM EDT

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Two-time scoring champion Kevin Durant wants the NBA's owners to listen up.

“We're going to stand up for what we have to do, no matter how long it's going to take,
 
Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

[h1]Kobe undergoes extreme knee makeover[/h1]"What I think about is shutting up those [people] saying that I'm done," he said.
I'm no medical expert, but this procedure doesn't seem to involve much risk. Having said that, you gotta admire a guy for leaving no stone unturned.
I do this procedure in my office. Very low risk. We take patients blood, put it into a centrifuge and collect the platelets that have proteins that enhance healing without surgery. Kobe just needs to rest while he does this and take it slow.

In NY Bartolo Colon is enjoying a resurgence right now for the Yankees after many had thought that his career was long gone. He underwent some type of stem cell procedure on his elbow that helped rehab deteriorated ligaments. Now imagine if all superstar athletes started doing these procedures that helped elongate their careers. Shaq's knees 
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, hell every athletes knees...
 
Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by abovelegit1

[h1]Kobe undergoes extreme knee makeover[/h1]"What I think about is shutting up those [people] saying that I'm done," he said.
I'm no medical expert, but this procedure doesn't seem to involve much risk. Having said that, you gotta admire a guy for leaving no stone unturned.
I do this procedure in my office. Very low risk. We take patients blood, put it into a centrifuge and collect the platelets that have proteins that enhance healing without surgery. Kobe just needs to rest while he does this and take it slow.

In NY Bartolo Colon is enjoying a resurgence right now for the Yankees after many had thought that his career was long gone. He underwent some type of stem cell procedure on his elbow that helped rehab deteriorated ligaments. Now imagine if all superstar athletes started doing these procedures that helped elongate their careers. Shaq's knees 
eek.gif
, hell every athletes knees...
 
In NY Bartolo Colon is enjoying a resurgence right now for the Yankees after many had thought that his career was long gone. He underwent some type of stem cell procedure on his elbow that helped rehab deteriorated ligaments. Now imagine if all superstar athletes started doing these procedures that helped elongate their careers. Shaq's knees 
eek.gif
, hell every athletes knees...



I've seen a lot of good results, only thing is that with athletes they don't like to follow protocols. Someone like Kobe or Colon are experienced enough to understand, younger athletes are a pain in the *#+ to work with. I've seen a lot of people saved from a cruciate and menisci reconstruction. Nothing is 100%, though.
 
In NY Bartolo Colon is enjoying a resurgence right now for the Yankees after many had thought that his career was long gone. He underwent some type of stem cell procedure on his elbow that helped rehab deteriorated ligaments. Now imagine if all superstar athletes started doing these procedures that helped elongate their careers. Shaq's knees 
eek.gif
, hell every athletes knees...



I've seen a lot of good results, only thing is that with athletes they don't like to follow protocols. Someone like Kobe or Colon are experienced enough to understand, younger athletes are a pain in the *#+ to work with. I've seen a lot of people saved from a cruciate and menisci reconstruction. Nothing is 100%, though.
 
Durant got a max contract you know he ain't speaking for the al harrington type dudes making mad money to be a scrub
 
Durant got a max contract you know he ain't speaking for the al harrington type dudes making mad money to be a scrub
 
So that's what it takes to get LeBron to attack the rim with a game on the line... Huh.



And CP... If they're locked out, can they even use classic games? Magic, Bird, Jordan and them still fall under the Union, don't they?
 
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