OFFICIAL NFL Discussion Thread: 2015-16 Season - Congrats to the Denver Broncos and their fans! SB 5

[shatterkneesinc]

Its a slippery slope when one of the indirect consequences of brain damage causes someone to kill themselves.
Its hard to foresee these things.
I wont call the NFL liars but their reckless disregard for the truth is another story and the league has to owe up to it.

Recruitment processes will always be shady.
Look at the military trying to recruit.. They sell you honor, glory, education and opportunities but they won't ever mention death and disability as a consequence.

 

[a55a5in11]

At the end of the day I would love to quit my job and play nfl ball all risks involved

 

[change the name Snyder]

Mrs Fitz is

id take a bite of rachael rays roast beef too

 

[dmxfury]

Oh and at the punters getting blown up

 

[darthska]

[quote name="a55a5in11"]At the end of the day I would love to quit my job and play nfl ball all risks involved[/quote]Me, too.

But issues can't be reasoned on an individual basis.

Would I love to quit and join the NFL? Yes.

What I would love for everyone is that everyone be given the opportunity to make an informed decision regarding potential employers whose lies are unprotected and public.

 

[100027]

Everyone posting here does realize CTE wasn't described in football players until 2005, right? And wasn't recognized by the NFL until 2010 (and denied in years leading up to that)?

I mean, when my parents worried about me getting hurt playing football, they were thinking about broken bones and torn ligaments, not about the increased risk of a chronic neurodegenerative disease years down the road from repeated head trauma.

Seem to have some judgmental Republican types who want to blame athletes for I guess not opening their own pathology labs when they were children so they could've decided for themselves by age 17 whether they should pursue a career in football or focus on something else.

100%.

 

[a55a5in11]

[quote name="a55a5in11"]At the end of the day I would love to quit my job and play nfl ball all risks involved

Me, too.

But issues can't be reasoned on an individual basis.

Would I love to quit and join the NFL? Yes.

What I would love for everyone is that everyone be given the opportunity to make an informed decision regarding potential employers whose lies are unprotected and public.[/quote]

I agree but to solely place the blame on the NFL I don't agree with. High school leagues and the NCAA have just as much blame imo. Especially the NCAA. Those guys are just as bad if not worse than the NFL

 

[darthska]

[quote name="a55a5in11"]I agree but to solely place the blame on the NFL I don't agree with. High school leagues and the NCAA have just as much blame imo. Especially the NCAA. Those guys are just as bad if not worse than the NFL[/quote]No argument here on that last one.

 

[the collector]

Everyone posting here does realize CTE wasn't described in football players until 2005, right? And wasn't recognized by the NFL until 2010 (and denied in years leading up to that)?

I mean, when my parents worried about me getting hurt playing football, they were thinking about broken bones and torn ligaments, not about the increased risk of a chronic neurodegenerative disease years down the road from repeated head trauma.

Seem to have some judgmental Republican types who want to blame athletes for I guess not opening their own pathology labs when they were children so they could've decided for themselves by age 17 whether they should pursue a career in football or focus on something else.

You and most others fail to accept the fact CTE is 1 form of head trauma. There are other things besides CTE that can happen as a result of head trauma/concussions. Things the world and doctors have known about before 2005. This debate is people defending their own lack of intelligence and that of others. I'm sorry but if you need a sports league to tell you hitting your head constantly could cause problems then I legit feel sorry for you from a intellectual standpoint. We have many examples of former players who have had issues for decades as a result of playing. Yet young men want us to believe that without the NFL stamp of approval they knew nothing and had no way of finding out otherwise. BS

For the record I grew up poor in a democratic household and ran the streets doing all kinds of crazy things. Far from a republican mentally.

 

[darthska]

Aaaaye, someone should legit keep a tab on where the hell or convos are going throughout the week.

- beer
-
-
- Hope's solos
- concussions

I know there were some other topics in between beer and Hope.

 

[dmxfury]

This debate is people defending their own lack of intelligence and that of others. I'm sorry but if you need a sports league to tell you hitting your head constantly could cause problems then I legit feel sorry for you from a intellectual standpoint..

C'mon now this is far simplified compared to what people are asking for from the NFL and discussing


Nice subtle shot there as well. On the same level as the republican one

 

[nick.]

Aaaaye, someone should legit keep a tab on where the hell or convis are going throughout the week.

- beer
-
-
- Hope's solos
- concussionso

I know there were some other topics in between beer and Hope.

- players wives/girlfriends
- Cam & "middle America"

 

[the collector]

C'mon now this is far simplified compared to what people are asking for from the NFL and discussing


Nice subtle shot there as well. On the same level as the republican one

I'm legit at a loss for words at those who didn't realize banging your skull over and over can cause health problems until recently. I'm seriously blown away by it. The NFL has their faults sure but to act as if the health risk is just now apparent is mind blowing.

 

[rolaholic]

gronk y u do dis

Broncos started flapping their gums first

 

[HNL HI]

Bruce Arians On the Panthers playing surface "I don't care if we're playing in a parking lot. Be aware of it, and bring the proper shoes."

 

[Cars]

Sans the beef t

Aaaaye, someone should legit keep a tab on where the hell or convis are going throughout the week.

- beer
-
-
- Hope's solos
- concussionso

I know there were some other topics in between beer and Hope.

When was the beer one? Beer > concussions 

 

[dmxfury]

See Friendly's example. Just knowing it 'can cause health problems' is not the same as full disclosure on the risks and effects seen in players.


Smoking 'causes health risks'


I'd rather have the full info that is available and given. The specific diseases it causes, the long term effects, the rate of health issues


'Breathing the air in a mine shaft is bad for you'

I'd rather have the specifics on Black Lung, how prevalent it is and the signs/symptoms. Knowing how workers can protect themselves against the exposure



Now it's not just on the NFL but as an employer they have an obligation to investigate the workplace hazards and inform their employees on what they know so those players can make informed decisions

 

[the collector]

Broncos started flapping their gums first

They did but those defensive players on Denver has a license to hit. I'd be careful if I'm Gronk.

 

[darthska]

[quote name="The Collector"]This debate is people defending their own lack of intelligence and that of others.[/quote]Yeeeahno.

[quote name="The Collector"]I'm sorry but if you need a sports league to tell you hitting your head constantly could cause problems then I legit feel sorry for you from a intellectual standpoint.[/quote]Nah.

But if you need it to be explained to you that billionaires manipulate, millionaires help them, and tons of people left in the dark are prevented from (PREVENTED FROM) knowing the truth because the truth isn't made public, then I feel sorry for you from a sociological standpoint.

You trying to make this into a holier-than-thou "Well EYYYYE know the dangers, so those that don't must be the stupids" ain't flying.

It's like trying to defend rapists because "She knows what frat parties are. How stupid are these females?"

Intelligence isn't on the table regarding what the problem is. It's literally something you're bringing to the table to big yourself up for not falling for the NFL's song and dance... a song and dance they never actually presented to you in the first place.

 

[the collector]

See Friendly's example. Just knowing it 'can cause health problems' is not the same as full disclosure on the risks and effects seen in players.


Smoking 'causes health risks'


I'd rather have the full info that is available and given. The specific diseases it causes, the long term effects, the rate of health issues


'Breathing the air in a mine shaft is bad for you'

I'd rather have the specifics on Black Lung, how prevalent it is and the signs/symptoms. Knowing how workers can protect themselves against the exposure



Now it's not just on the NFL but as an employer they have an obligation to investigate the workplace hazards and inform their employees on what they know so those players can make informed decisions

I agree with this. My point is anything that has to do with the head and brain is enough for me. You can lose arms or legs and still function. The brain is a totally different thing. I don't know of any brain injuries that don't have horrible effects to a person as a whole. Minor brain injury isn't something I hear to often if at all.

 

[651akathepaul]

Great discussion, guys...Lot's of very good replies. 10027 making too much sense. Level headed, as always.



I also really liked this one:

^ I have to agree.  While growing up in the 80s and 90s, all that was talked about was that you might get paralyzed or you could die while playing.  The long term effects were mostly about not being able to walk because of pain... not too much was brain related.  

I asked my friend -- HC of a high school football team -- what he thought about all this CTE/concussion talk and he pointed me to a study done by the Mayo clinic that a Stanford researcher wrote an article about as it concerns to the risk (or lack thereof) of head trauma in HS football.

The first article is the actual piece he wrote and the second being more of a one-on-one interview:


High school football's benefits outweigh the risks


Stanford researcher: It's time to put dangers of high school football in perspective

 

[100027]

Great discussion, guys...Lot's of very good replies. 10027 making too much sense. Level headed, as always.

 

Literally no idea how to read this lol

Mods making some good points in here as well as @whywesteppin  and Mr friendly

 

[rolaholic]

@RapSheet: Chip Kelly may not hire a staff by Wed., but he's working on it. A key OC candidate for #49ers: #Lions run-game coordinator Curtis Modkins

Nothing like the experience of someone who led that vaunted Lions running attack...

 

[NickFolarin]

 

@RapSheet: Chip Kelly may not hire a staff by Wed., but he's working on it. A key OC candidate for #49ers: #Lions run-game coordinator Curtis Modkins

Nothing like the experience of someone who led that vaunted Lions running attack...

Wait? We have a running attack? 

 

[the collector]

Yeeeahno.
Nah.

But if you need it to be explained to you that billionaires manipulate, millionaires help them, and tons of people left in the dark are prevented from (PREVENTED FROM) knowing the truth because the truth isn't made public, then I feel sorry for you from a sociological standpoint.

You trying to make this into a holier-than-thou "Well EYYYYE know the dangers, so those that don't must be the stupids" ain't flying.

It's like trying to defend rapists because "She knows what frat parties are. How stupid are these females?"

Intelligence isn't on the table rehearsing what the problem is. It's literally something you're bringing to the table to big yourself up for not falling for the NFL's song and dance... a sing and dance they never actually presented to you in the first place.

Everyone can agree that head/brain injuries can occur do to playing football. Now I ask you to tell me the ones that aren't a big deal. What brain injuries exist that are safe and can simply be overcome after your career is over and why it needs explanation.