I cant speak for everyone else but as far as im concerned my issue isnt the fact that they are talking about violence its the fact that they are in essence no different than an artist who constantly talks about about violence and murder, besides the fact that its ALL im hearing from them.
I cant speak for everyone else but as far as im concerned my issue isnt the fact that they are talking about violence its the fact that they are in essence no different than an artist who constantly talks about about violence and murder, besides the fact that its ALL im hearing from them.
Originally Posted by tyisny
I cant speak for everyone else but as far as im concerned my issue isnt the fact that they are talking about violence its the fact that they are in essence no different than an artist who constantly talks about about violence and murder, besides the fact that its ALL im hearing from them.
Lets take some of the prototypical rappers who talk about violence towards other blacks (50, gucci, Waka etc.). Do you ever see these guys getting praised for their creativity for writing verses that have them shooting everything in sight..... NO, they get called ignorant, stale music, meaningless....
Now lets talk Odd future Tyler & Earl specifically because i havent heard much from the rest and these our the two that get the most praise. These our two teens who have full verses about how they are going to kill you. Not tough talking bravado, not a life they have actually witnessed, not to appeal to be accepted by their demographic. they are just spewing a full 16 about hatred, rape, murder and mutilation to what purpose..... To gain shock value and and have people liketo increase their buzz.(Which I admit is a smart marketing plan because it has done wonders for their buzz)
I also think a reason people aren't so taken back by the violence in 50, gucci etc tracks isnt because they are targeting black males, but because a large majority of their songs are written to fit this certain image of a "drug dealer/ street *+@%*" so people understand that anybody who does involve themselves in that kind of environment opens themselves up to violence.. Ex. its never much sympathy when street rappers get shot because quite frankly people assume that these people really interact around that environment (Which is true in the case of flocka/gucci)
Basically IDGAF about what vile and insane acts they talk about in their songs because i know its all in the purpose of entertainment(Now why someone is entertained by this is a whole other convo) my problem comes with people who say these "street" artist are trash and make ****ery, foolishness etc.... then pass OFWGKTA as artistic and these creative geniuses... is someone using a whole 16 to tell me how their gonna kidnap my sister and cut her eyes out and $%+! her corpse any more creative than im gonna shoot a *+@%* because he owes me money(no their both senseless acts of violence that neither of these artist are ever gonna do)
IMO this is like the whole penalty of crack(Trap music) vs cocaine(Violent Music) same drug different consumers
Originally Posted by tyisny
I cant speak for everyone else but as far as im concerned my issue isnt the fact that they are talking about violence its the fact that they are in essence no different than an artist who constantly talks about about violence and murder, besides the fact that its ALL im hearing from them.
Lets take some of the prototypical rappers who talk about violence towards other blacks (50, gucci, Waka etc.). Do you ever see these guys getting praised for their creativity for writing verses that have them shooting everything in sight..... NO, they get called ignorant, stale music, meaningless....
Now lets talk Odd future Tyler & Earl specifically because i havent heard much from the rest and these our the two that get the most praise. These our two teens who have full verses about how they are going to kill you. Not tough talking bravado, not a life they have actually witnessed, not to appeal to be accepted by their demographic. they are just spewing a full 16 about hatred, rape, murder and mutilation to what purpose..... To gain shock value and and have people liketo increase their buzz.(Which I admit is a smart marketing plan because it has done wonders for their buzz)
I also think a reason people aren't so taken back by the violence in 50, gucci etc tracks isnt because they are targeting black males, but because a large majority of their songs are written to fit this certain image of a "drug dealer/ street *+@%*" so people understand that anybody who does involve themselves in that kind of environment opens themselves up to violence.. Ex. its never much sympathy when street rappers get shot because quite frankly people assume that these people really interact around that environment (Which is true in the case of flocka/gucci)
Basically IDGAF about what vile and insane acts they talk about in their songs because i know its all in the purpose of entertainment(Now why someone is entertained by this is a whole other convo) my problem comes with people who say these "street" artist are trash and make ****ery, foolishness etc.... then pass OFWGKTA as artistic and these creative geniuses... is someone using a whole 16 to tell me how their gonna kidnap my sister and cut her eyes out and $%+! her corpse any more creative than im gonna shoot a *+@%* because he owes me money(no their both senseless acts of violence that neither of these artist are ever gonna do)
IMO this is like the whole penalty of crack(Trap music) vs cocaine(Violent Music) same drug different consumers
the difference is, these KIDS are talking about it from a satirical point of view, whereas Gucci and them are speaking on situations they are involved in and and are doing nothing to change...what OF is doing is no different than a critically praised movie such as KIDSOriginally Posted by ATLien Seeko
Originally Posted by tyisny
I cant speak for everyone else but as far as im concerned my issue isnt the fact that they are talking about violence its the fact that they are in essence no different than an artist who constantly talks about about violence and murder, besides the fact that its ALL im hearing from them.
Lets take some of the prototypical rappers who talk about violence towards other blacks (50, gucci, Waka etc.). Do you ever see these guys getting praised for their creativity for writing verses that have them shooting everything in sight..... NO, they get called ignorant, stale music, meaningless....
Now lets talk Odd future Tyler & Earl specifically because i havent heard much from the rest and these our the two that get the most praise. These our two teens who have full verses about how they are going to kill you. Not tough talking bravado, not a life they have actually witnessed, not to appeal to be accepted by their demographic. they are just spewing a full 16 about hatred, rape, murder and mutilation to what purpose..... To gain shock value and and have people liketo increase their buzz.(Which I admit is a smart marketing plan because it has done wonders for their buzz)
I also think a reason people aren't so taken back by the violence in 50, gucci etc tracks isnt because they are targeting black males, but because a large majority of their songs are written to fit this certain image of a "drug dealer/ street *+@%*" so people understand that anybody who does involve themselves in that kind of environment opens themselves up to violence.. Ex. its never much sympathy when street rappers get shot because quite frankly people assume that these people really interact around that environment (Which is true in the case of flocka/gucci)
Basically IDGAF about what vile and insane acts they talk about in their songs because i know its all in the purpose of entertainment(Now why someone is entertained by this is a whole other convo) my problem comes with people who say these "street" artist are trash and make ****ery, foolishness etc.... then pass OFWGKTA as artistic and these creative geniuses... is someone using a whole 16 to tell me how their gonna kidnap my sister and cut her eyes out and $%+! her corpse any more creative than im gonna shoot a *+@%* because he owes me money(no their both senseless acts of violence that neither of these artist are ever gonna do)
IMO this is like the whole penalty of crack(Trap music) vs cocaine(Violent Music) same drug different consumers
Nice! I agree with everything said in that last paragraph. Well spoken. Seems like anything blasphemous and rebelious gets attention today. Kids today are all about being rebels, so if that means wearing tiny pants, rapping about necrophelia, or calling yourself God, you do it to get the recognition and spread whatever message you're trying to get out there. I see their vision. I want to see what they're going to do with the spotlight.
the difference is, these KIDS are talking about it from a satirical point of view, whereas Gucci and them are speaking on situations they are involved in and and are doing nothing to change...what OF is doing is no different than a critically praised movie such as KIDSOriginally Posted by ATLien Seeko
Originally Posted by tyisny
I cant speak for everyone else but as far as im concerned my issue isnt the fact that they are talking about violence its the fact that they are in essence no different than an artist who constantly talks about about violence and murder, besides the fact that its ALL im hearing from them.
Lets take some of the prototypical rappers who talk about violence towards other blacks (50, gucci, Waka etc.). Do you ever see these guys getting praised for their creativity for writing verses that have them shooting everything in sight..... NO, they get called ignorant, stale music, meaningless....
Now lets talk Odd future Tyler & Earl specifically because i havent heard much from the rest and these our the two that get the most praise. These our two teens who have full verses about how they are going to kill you. Not tough talking bravado, not a life they have actually witnessed, not to appeal to be accepted by their demographic. they are just spewing a full 16 about hatred, rape, murder and mutilation to what purpose..... To gain shock value and and have people liketo increase their buzz.(Which I admit is a smart marketing plan because it has done wonders for their buzz)
I also think a reason people aren't so taken back by the violence in 50, gucci etc tracks isnt because they are targeting black males, but because a large majority of their songs are written to fit this certain image of a "drug dealer/ street *+@%*" so people understand that anybody who does involve themselves in that kind of environment opens themselves up to violence.. Ex. its never much sympathy when street rappers get shot because quite frankly people assume that these people really interact around that environment (Which is true in the case of flocka/gucci)
Basically IDGAF about what vile and insane acts they talk about in their songs because i know its all in the purpose of entertainment(Now why someone is entertained by this is a whole other convo) my problem comes with people who say these "street" artist are trash and make ****ery, foolishness etc.... then pass OFWGKTA as artistic and these creative geniuses... is someone using a whole 16 to tell me how their gonna kidnap my sister and cut her eyes out and $%+! her corpse any more creative than im gonna shoot a *+@%* because he owes me money(no their both senseless acts of violence that neither of these artist are ever gonna do)
IMO this is like the whole penalty of crack(Trap music) vs cocaine(Violent Music) same drug different consumers
Nice! I agree with everything said in that last paragraph. Well spoken. Seems like anything blasphemous and rebelious gets attention today. Kids today are all about being rebels, so if that means wearing tiny pants, rapping about necrophelia, or calling yourself God, you do it to get the recognition and spread whatever message you're trying to get out there. I see their vision. I want to see what they're going to do with the spotlight.
Nah they are definitely getting exposure that yonkers vid put them over the top. But I wouldn't put it on a SFG caliber that was a straight phenomenon. Dude literally became a superstar when that dropped
