***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Wargames]

I’m well aware, but executive orders aren’t going to enact legislation on most of those issues.

We need Biden to drop out in the next week and put it all behind Kamala and someone who can get the swing state votes. Go all in on stacking the courts and passing progressive legislation. There’s a chance of winning vs accepting defeat.

Clips are out of the Biden interview:
“Did you watch the debate afterward?”
“I don’t think I did.”

Anyone thinking he’s salvaging things is off their rocker.

Executive orders that will be challenged and go to whom for final judgement. We don’t have time to waste on these political fantasies.

Considering Trump has more money in the coffers today than Biden is a major disadvantage if you don’t have big money lined up for the next 3 months. And it ain’t just a Disney heiress. If you think it’s that limited you’re willfully ignoring what’s going on.

This is what I mean about not knowing about campaigns. Those ad buys for Biden have been made months ago. It would be a ***** to take those ads and move them to another candidate. He can’t just transfer them to somebody else, he would have to spend time we don’t have make that alteration.

Trump getting an infusion of cash from his billionaire supporters sounds good but it is still going to his legal fees and knowing hi. his own media networks to fill his pockets.

 

[trappedintime]

Executive orders that will be challenged and go to whom for final judgement. We don’t have time to waste on these political fantasies.


This is what I mean about not knowing about campaigns. Those ad buys for Biden have been made months ago. It would be a ***** to take those ads and move them to another candidate.

Trump getting an infusion of cash from his billionaire supporters sounds good but it is still going to his legal fees and knowing hi. his own media networks to fill his pockets.

Yeah you’re severely wrong about that. One reason Harris is getting so much private backing. She’s on the ticket and could inherit his entire campaign funding, along with the pacs.

You really think a guy who doesn’t know if he watched his own debate is bouncing back and winning this election with more ad buys and public appearances? One who neurologists believe has classic Parkinson’s symptoms? If you want to fear monger, maybe start with the diminished candidate and work backward from there. He’s not beating Trump.

Medical experts: Biden needs to be evaluated for Parkinson's - Lawyers, Guns & Money

Sanjay Gupta just published a version of an article I’ve shopping around for the last 36 hours, except he doesn’t quote or cite any sources. For reasons I elaborate on below, I think Gupta’s conclusion is pretty much unassailable, although if you think this is all just a giant conspiracy to...

www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

 

[Wargames]

Schedule F:

The risks of Schedule F for administrative capacity and government accountability

Schedule F would lead to a reduction in administrative capacity, government performance, and accountability to the public and Congress.

www.brookings.edu

We've seen the impact of Trump appointing DeVos and Carson as secretaries of education and housing. Imagine what would happen if Trump could nominate everyone in those departments down to the entry-level agency worker?

You can influence states to adopt policies you prefer simply by controlling federal funds they are entitled to, and having Trump appointing ideological allies down to that level would make it very easy for him to impact folks who think their "blue" state government will insulate them from DC. We've had a preview of this method of governing during the initial COVID response.

Do you mean when Trump was basically taking PPE supplies from Blue states and shipping them to Red ones. To the point state governments had to send armed escorts.

Yeah Trump has no problem with state rights, as long as it’s a state he likes.

 

[Wargames]

Yeah you’re severely wrong about that. One reason Harris is getting so much private backing. She’s on the ticket and could inherit his entire campaign funding, along with the pacs.

You really think a guy who doesn’t know if he watched his own debate is bouncing back and winning this election with more ad buys and public appearances? One who neurologists believe has classic Parkinson’s symptoms? If you want to fear monger, maybe start with the diminished candidate and work backward from there. He’s not beating Trump.

Medical experts: Biden needs to be evaluated for Parkinson's - Lawyers, Guns & Money

Sanjay Gupta just published a version of an article I’ve shopping around for the last 36 hours, except he doesn’t quote or cite any sources. For reasons I elaborate on below, I think Gupta’s conclusion is pretty much unassailable, although if you think this is all just a giant conspiracy to...

www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com

You’re posting a link from a website called lawyersgunsmoneyblog. Please just stop, you are a political amateur talking through emotions, fake news, and a point to prove.

Edit: Brother That is a Wordpress website with a blogger background. Eww

 

[Public Enemy]

Excerpt:

"Biden, the White House and his campaign insist he has no plans to drop out of the race. He told reporters Friday he was “completely ruling that out.”

White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre pushed back against the tenor of attacks against Harris, particularly Trump’s decision to invoke a decades-old relationship.

“I think it’s gross, I think it’s disturbing,” Jean-Pierre told reporters Friday aboard Air Force One. “She should be respected in the role that she has as vice president. She should be respected like any other vice president before her who was in that room. It is appalling that, I’m going to be careful here, that a former president is saying that about a current vice president. And we should call that out — it is not OK.”

It remains unclear how Harris would fare against Trump, compared to Biden. Replacing a candidate this late in a presidential cycle — much less an incumbent president who has already sailed through the Democratic Party’s primaries — would be unprecedented in modern history, and the mechanics are complicated and potentially messy.

Polling shows that Harris’ favorability ratings are similar to Biden’s and Trump’s. A June AP-NORC poll found about 4 in 10 Americans have a favorable opinion of her. But the share of those who have an unfavorable opinion is slightly lower than for Trump and Biden, and about 1 in 10 have no opinion of her yet.

Harris, at 59 years old, would be a marked generational contrast to Trump, who is 78 years old and has also shown signs of aging. As the first woman, the first Black person and the first person of South Asian descent to serve as vice president, she would also chart a potentially barrier-breaking candidacy that could draw the support of women, minority voters and younger people — groups with whom Trump has been working to make significant inroads.

Harris has also been the Biden administration’s leading voice on abortion rights, an animating issue for Democrats since the overturning of Roe v. Wade that could again motivate turnout this fall.

Trump’s campaign, however, said it was confident in Trump’s chances regardless of his opponent and dismissed the idea that Harris might pose a greater challenge to Trump, seeing her as a more polarizing figure than the president.

“President Trump will beat any Democrat on November 5th because he has a proven record and a agenda to Make America Great Again,” LaCivita and Wiles said in their statement.

One campaign official suggested the focus on Harris was more of a reflection of the current media focus on the Democratic ticket than a belief that she will ultimately replace Biden.

While the party has plenty of opposition research on Harris at the ready thanks to her 2020 campaign and her years as vice president, at the end of the day, they argue, the Biden record is the Harris record, and if she were to replace Biden, Trump aides wouldn’t face a totally different race."

 

[osh kosh bosh]

 

[dacomeup]

Like I said, Biden will have his chance to prove aepps20 right that he’ll put his ego aside and do what’s best for party and country.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Like I said, Biden will have his chance to prove aepps20 right that he’ll put his ego aside and do what’s best for party and country.

im worried he's not in a state to do that.

and he's being pushed by his wife, son and self interested advisors to press on.

 

[Public Enemy]

45 mins from now - Biden interview stream. Link said 8pm but the stream has 8:30

 

[gry60]

I think Biden should drop out

And I think the replacement should be Kamala

Pick a VP like Tony Evers

It is a massive risk, huge

But I think the risk of running Biden has surpassed the risk of replacing him.

This assumes that the likelihood of people getting cold feet over Biden's replacement is low.
I wouldn't bet on that, especially if they underperform on the campaign trail or can't rise above a negative story that pops up between now and November. I could see the negative coverage shift from an individual (he's too old) to the party as whole (they can't seem to pick a competent candidate).

To be clear, I don't care who runs against Trump as long as he doesn't win, so I'm OK either way. I'm way too familiar with the way bad faith politicians can manipulate the law and the institutions to hang onto power forever. People underestimate how much corruption will enter their daily lives if they let that man win.

Do you mean when Trump was basically taking PPE supplies from Blue states and shipping them to Red ones. To the point state governments had to send armed escorts.

Yeah Trump has no problem with state rights, as long as it’s a state he likes.

Crazy how short memories are. The MA governor had to smuggle PPE in his state using a private jet because everything he was ordering was getting confiscated by the federal government. But we're supposed to believe that POTUS needs Congress to take any sort of impactful action.

Bush took us to war without authorization from Congress. Given Trump's preferences, American forces could be shooting at Ukrainians the day after he's sworn in.

 

[dacomeup]

im worried he's not in a state to do that.

and he's being pushed by his wife, son and self interested advisors to press on.

I agree. Hopefully we’re wrong though.

 

[Wargames]

I think Biden should drop out

And I think the replacement should be Kamala

Pick a VP like Tony Evers

It is a massive risk, huge

But I think the risk of running Biden has surpassed the risk of replacing him.

Brother don’t feed the trolls.

 

[RustyShackleford]

Obama has to have the same talk with Biden that my barber had with me when my corners went

"You ran a good race famb, unfortunately father time comes for everyone

And it is your turn.

No need to embarrass yourself any further. Just let it go playa"

 

[trappedintime]

You’re posting a link from a website called lawyersgunsmoneyblog. Please just stop, you are a political amateur talking through emotions, fake news, and a point to prove.

Edit: Brother That is a Wordpress website with a blogger background. Eww

You’re grasping at straws. Head of neurology at UM is quoted amongst others in that piece.

I know it’s hard to accept, but Biden is wrecked.

 

[aepps20]

This assumes that the likelihood of people getting cold feet over Biden's replacement is low.
I wouldn't bet on that, especially if they underperform on the campaign trail or can't rise above a negative story that pops up between now and November. I could see the negative coverage shift from an individual (he's too old) to the party as whole (they can't seem to pick a competent candidate).

To be clear, I don't care who runs against Trump as long as he doesn't win, so I'm OK either way. I'm way too familiar with the way bad faith politicians can manipulate the law and the institutions to hang onto power forever. People underestimate how much corruption will enter their daily lives if they let that man win.


Crazy how short memories are. The MA governor had to smuggle PPE in his state using a private jet because everything he was ordering was getting confiscated by the federal government. But we're supposed to believe that POTUS needs Congress to take any sort of impactful action.

Bush took us to war without authorization from Congress. Given Trump's preferences, American forces could be shooting at Ukrainians the day after he's sworn in.

He stole Colorado’s PPE after Polis paid for it with Colorado Tax Payer Money

 

[sneaksoy]

im worried he's not in a state to do that.

and he's being pushed by his wife, son and self interested advisors to press on.

No. This is a silly narrative. Why would Dr. Jill be pushing him to stay in the race? She’s watching her husband get denigrated from every corner, when dropping out could mean cementing a legacy as a respected career servant. What’s her motive? The “oh Hunter needs daddy in office to avoid charges” thing is ridiculous too - he’s already been convicted! And I can assure you Biden isn’t going to just pardon him on a whim.


I’m also confused at the “Biden won’t make it four years so he needs to drop out” take. If people think he won’t make it four years… what difference does it make if Kamala is your replacement choice? Just vote for her as part of the ticket!

I don’t think it matters who is on the ticket at this point. We know exactly what trump is and the threat that Project 2025 presents. Biden showing low favorability ratings feels like standard American discontent with sitting politicians. People expecting him to overturn Dobbs tomorrow as if the House isn’t controlled by republicans and SCOTUS proven they’ll knock down anything else he wants to do.

I don’t care if people want to write it off as “fear mongering”, Dems need to campaign on Project 2025 and Trump’s statements and the reality that a corpse in a democratic office is better than a dictator leading a fascist regime.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

This assumes that the likelihood of people getting cold feet over Biden's replacement is low.
I wouldn't bet on that, especially if they underperform on the campaign trail or can't rise above a negative story that pops up between now and November. I could see the negative coverage shift from an individual (he's too old) to the party as whole (they can't seem to pick a competent candidate).

nah it doesn't assume that.

When you pull the goalie you know the chances of the other team scoring a goal and effectively ending the game increases.

but the chance of you scoring a goal and tying the game also increases.


there is a chance Kamala falls flat on her face and does worse than Joe Biden. but there's also a chance she does way better.

when you are the underdog you want more variance.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

No. This is a silly narrative. Why would Dr. Jill be pushing him to stay in the race? She’s watching her husband get denigrated from every corner, when dropping out could mean cementing a legacy as a respected career servant. What’s her motive? The “oh Hunter needs daddy in office to avoid charges” thing is ridiculous too - he’s already been convicted! And I can assure you Biden isn’t going to just pardon him on a whim.

easy, humans are fallible creatures who suffer from motivated reasoning, bias ect

im not saying she's a moustache twirling villain, im saying like ALL humans, she has a set of bias a personal commitments that could be leading her towards irrational actions.

I’m also confused at the “Biden won’t make it four years so he needs to drop out” take. If people think he won’t make it four years… what difference does it make if Kamala is your replacement choice? Just vote for her as part of the ticket!

because when you poll likely voters people don't like Joe Biden at the top of the ticket. you can think this is irrational, but hey that's democracy. the people get to decide.

I don’t think it matters who is on the ticket at this point. We know exactly what trump is and the threat that Project 2025 presents. Biden showing low favorability ratings feels like standard American discontent with sitting politicians.

sitting governors and senators are running way ahead of biden in the polls.

if i8t is discontent with sitting politicians, it basically extends only to Joe Biden at this point.

 

[trappedintime]

This interview is embarrassing.

 

[jkballer5]

This interview is burying him deeper in his own grave.

 

[RustyShackleford]

This interview is not horrible

But it is not good

It is just adding to the pile

On aggregate Joe was a good president. Four solid years is a good legacy. He should step aside.

Him losing a few steps isn't his fault. But staying in a race that is slipping further and further away from him will be.

 

[trappedintime]

He’s completely unaware of where things are. That’s emblematic of a larger loss of the reality he’s working in.

He’ll drop out when the lord almighty comes down. Very reassuring.

 

[IATT]

 

[IATT]

 

[Wargames]

Obama has to have the same talk with Biden that my barber had with me when my corners went

"You ran a good race famb, unfortunately father time comes for everyone

And it is your turn.

No need to embarrass yourself any further. Just let it go playa"

This isn’t a haircut

nah it doesn't assume that.

When you pull the goalie you know the chances of the other team scoring a goal and effectively ending the game increases.

but the chance of you scoring a goal and tying the game also increases.


there is a chance Kamala falls flat on her face and does worse than Joe Biden. but there's also a chance she does way better.

when you are the underdog you want more variance.

This isn’t sports

He’s completely unaware of where things are. That’s emblematic of a larger loss of the reality he’s working in.

He’ll drop out when the lord almighty comes down. Very reassuring.

Look at this hyperbolic ageism nonsense