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Everyone in here remember...
aepps20
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I also think that we need to be aware of the facts and relevant questions and operate accordingly. My thoughts are as follows.
1. It’s ok to wonder if Joe is the right person to beat Trump.
2. Will the dems in disarray narrative settle down if Joe stays or leaves and how will that impact turn out?
3. Is it too late to switch horses? I think it might be but I also want to win so if it switching wins then I’m good.
4. I think Russia and its bots are fueling a lot of this as well because if Trump wins Ukraine is lost so they know the stakes.
5. The media is just gross and complicit in this. Trump by my own eyes is senile and forgets just as much if not more than Joe but no calls for him to resign.
6. Our side needs to get a whole lot tougher. We are only in July and if all it takes is a bad debate and the Supreme Court to have us running scared and turning on Joe we have no hope because Kamala will be next.
1. It’s ok to wonder if Joe is the right person to beat Trump.
2. Will the dems in disarray narrative settle down if Joe stays or leaves and how will that impact turn out?
3. Is it too late to switch horses? I think it might be but I also want to win so if it switching wins then I’m good.
4. I think Russia and its bots are fueling a lot of this as well because if Trump wins Ukraine is lost so they know the stakes.
5. The media is just gross and complicit in this. Trump by my own eyes is senile and forgets just as much if not more than Joe but no calls for him to resign.
6. Our side needs to get a whole lot tougher. We are only in July and if all it takes is a bad debate and the Supreme Court to have us running scared and turning on Joe we have no hope because Kamala will be next.
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Man Meth lurks this page and drops hammers on people. I don’t need a ban or a well researched post on why I am wrong. I am actually nervous to keep saying his name cause he might pop up.
Anyhow you had me until you said Osh kosh has got many things right….
Have you ever worked on losing campaigns? I’ve worked a few primary losers and usually the main red flag is they started late and I am not talking late like filing the paperwork late. I am talking late like, they didn’t get any support from outside political, organizational or even church support lined up before they began to “officially” run. From what I have seen most successful campaigns is the second part of the campaign. The first part is getting the right people to buy in. The two don’t overlap because there isn’t enough time in the day and if your not first to get buy in you usually have to outbid the first person they promised and sometimes you can’t do that. That’s your job as a candidate, get support, and then let the staff do the rest. Once the campaign starts your not forming alliances your giving speeches and shaking hands with constituents.
Nationally…. It would take Kamala months to line up the support she needs. Especially since she would be inheriting the role. It’s a political nightmare. A logistical one too.
Honestly the lack of a VP on Trump side hurts her because she hasn’t even been able to debate anyone. It’s almost the perfect storm for her to come in and have all time bad campaign.
Yes, yes, let’s mock the guy with stuttering problems. For the misuse of words. He’s always messes up with he publicly speaks. Let’s not look at his record over the last 4 years. The fact he did an interview and a rally on the same day. You wrote he wasn’t aware of his surroundings a few post ago which is a joke.
I don’t know if this is ragebait or real but clearly you’re trying to make connections to prove your point, but you don’t have any real context. Just nonsense websites.
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“It’s just a stutter”. Pure gold!
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Man the Dems are just awful at the game of politics. They can have the greatest platform ever to help people but they are so god awful at messaging that it gets lost. Trump gets 34 felonies and the right rallies around him and says it's all bs. Biden has a bad debate and half the left wants to play look at me so they can get a headline. If Biden really is in bad shape, they should have never let him debate. Just say it's not worth it bc Trump does nothing but lie and they've already done it before. If he's not that bad, just shut up and rally around the guy. The Dems are falling right into the hands of the media and making this drag on forever.
I'm voting for whoever is on the left but man it's frustrating watching the Dems piss down their own leg over and over. Right now we should be talking about the SCOTUS turning us back 50 years but na we gotta talk about this.
I'm voting for whoever is on the left but man it's frustrating watching the Dems piss down their own leg over and over. Right now we should be talking about the SCOTUS turning us back 50 years but na we gotta talk about this.
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Which team?
The team that understands the danger of the Republican program, or the team that cares more about a candidate that gives them butterflies in the stomach?
The call to replace Biden ignores everything
Wargames
laid out. I just read an opinion piece from the Nation that argues that the only reason we are not talking more about the Trump agenda and his fascist tendencies is because of Biden's presumed mental condition. Really?
Why Aren’t We Talking About Trump’s Fascism?
Joe Biden has created a distraction from the existential question that should define this election.
www.thenation.com
Fine. Let's indulge those who think that the threat to American democracy is a lesser concern than voting for an old guy who poses no threat to our institutions. And let's not be surprised when, in October, a statistically significant chunk of the electorate decides to not vote for Kamala because they can't see themselves calling her husband "First Gentleman."
There's a level of irrationality that I have a hard time accepting when it comes to the American electorate. It's just baffling.
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Is Biden’s Stutter Being Mistaken for “Cognitive Decline”? - Nieman Reports
Biden’s verbal stumbles may be explained not by cognitive problems but by his lifelong battle with stuttering. Journalists should provide that context
niemanreports.org
Yes, brother yes, and notice how my site isn’t posted on OpenDiary and that is from 2020. So it’s not a new story.
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He's not candyman
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Brother, the way he pops out of nowhere and snatches people souls.He's not candyman
Sometimes it feels like it. I got hit with it once and had to take a few hours to regain my composure.
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Dems tend to message in three ways:
1.) the GOP would be worse
2.) we look out for the vulnerable (at least relative to the GOP)
3.) voting for us is therefore the right thing to do morally.
All of that is technically true. BUT they need a fourth thing.
They need emphasize how much more enjoyable and fun life is.
It’s fun to be allowed to buy cannabis at the corner. It’s fun to be able to use transit and not have to worry about drinking too much to drive. Long weekends are fun. PTO is fun (or at the very least, makes life less stressful. Being able to live an active life and not having to fear bankruptcy due to an emergency room, makes life better. And of course having sex without fear of a state mandated pregnancy is fun.
Give the GOP a taste of their own medicine. Portray them as busy bodies, kill joys, and neurotic puritans who want to control your life.
Like it or not, the average swing voter is a consumer.
Trump is promising a better consumer experience. Dems need to counter that.
It’s the GOP who wants you living in a pod, eating bugs, and owning nothing. American voters, marginalized or not, deserve better.
1.) the GOP would be worse
2.) we look out for the vulnerable (at least relative to the GOP)
3.) voting for us is therefore the right thing to do morally.
All of that is technically true. BUT they need a fourth thing.
They need emphasize how much more enjoyable and fun life is.
It’s fun to be allowed to buy cannabis at the corner. It’s fun to be able to use transit and not have to worry about drinking too much to drive. Long weekends are fun. PTO is fun (or at the very least, makes life less stressful. Being able to live an active life and not having to fear bankruptcy due to an emergency room, makes life better. And of course having sex without fear of a state mandated pregnancy is fun.
Give the GOP a taste of their own medicine. Portray them as busy bodies, kill joys, and neurotic puritans who want to control your life.
Like it or not, the average swing voter is a consumer.
Trump is promising a better consumer experience. Dems need to counter that.
It’s the GOP who wants you living in a pod, eating bugs, and owning nothing. American voters, marginalized or not, deserve better.
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It’s no wonder Dems are so bad at winning elections if people like you are running campaigns. Yep, it’s just his 2020 stutter we’re seeing on display. Keep on deluding yourself until 11/5Is Biden’s Stutter Being Mistaken for “Cognitive Decline”? - Nieman Reports
Biden’s verbal stumbles may be explained not by cognitive problems but by his lifelong battle with stuttering. Journalists should provide that context
Yes, brother yes, and notice how my site isn’t posted on OpenDiary and that is from 2020. So it’s not a new story.
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aepps20
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The same team meaning everyone that will be impacted by a Trump Presidency if we lose.Which team?
The team that understands the danger of the Republican program, or the team that cares more about a candidate that gives them butterflies in the stomach?
The call to replace Biden ignores everything
Why Aren’t We Talking About Trump’s Fascism?
Joe Biden has created a distraction from the existential question that should define this election.
Fine. Let's indulge those who think that the threat to American democracy is a lesser concern than voting for an old guy who poses no threat to our institutions. And let's not be surprised when, in October, a statistically significant chunk of the electorate decides to not vote for Kamala because they can't see themselves calling her husband "First Gentleman."
There's a level of irrationality that I have a hard time accepting when it comes to the American electorate. It's just baffling.
aepps20
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He’s been impeached by this thread multiple times. He’s on the run
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I Worked campaigns. Not ran campaigns, and I worked for a few winners too thank you very much. I had a whole life in recruitment and outreach, before that I use to be in shipping, now I am legal field. Idk I seen some stuff, I try to bring it all together when I can and right now it’s saying you have an agenda that you’re running with regardless of what is being said.
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This thread is in shambles right now
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2016: But her emails
2024: But he’s old
I’m Just saying…. We’ve seen this before
2024: But he’s old
I’m Just saying…. We’ve seen this before
aepps20
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To be honest this says more about the American electorate than anything else. The reality is that everyone on here is right. If our fellow Americans weren’t such scums and bigots we wouldn’t be here. If MAGA weren’t such a disease the stakes wouldn’t feel and be so high. It’s crazy that folks are treating Joe like LBJ during Vietnam when almost every metric other than his age is trending in the right direction. Trump is directly responsible for the death of 1 million Americans, the destruction of the administrative state, the destruction of reproductive rights and the view that a president that’s a convicted felon is somehow a king. The choice is clear but our side just isn’t committed enough. Joe being old should be a non story when you look at his actual record and what he’s done and achieved. He has been the most progressive and successful president that I’ve seen during my 40 years of being alive. Joe got things done that shouldn’t be possible in this MAGA world. Trump was literally falling asleep during his trial and confused Obama with Biden several times but we get crickets. Trump was telling people to drink bleach and hiding documents in the bathroom yet he’s a better choice because Joe is old? Where is the consistency? We lose elections because our side refuses to just close ranks and lock in. We literally have over performed in every election since 2020. We have the momentum but our leaders are a joke. Many have direct access to Joe but instead of going to him or his staff they go running to CNN and The NY Times. When was the last time a MAGA did that? Pathetic and disgusting.
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If Biden was doing this,
Yeah, he should drop out.
But he’s just slow with highly short term recall. A big share of swing voters are 65-85 white home owners who have trouble with short term memory.
When normal people start paying attention in September and October. Trump’s weaknesses will become more and impactful.
The indictments, the felonies, his bragging/joking about being a dictator, his tariffs, his deportation promises, and his embrace of harsh anti abortion measures, will be one more and more of a liability.
Trust in the power of negative polarization.
Yeah, he should drop out.
But he’s just slow with highly short term recall. A big share of swing voters are 65-85 white home owners who have trouble with short term memory.
When normal people start paying attention in September and October. Trump’s weaknesses will become more and impactful.
The indictments, the felonies, his bragging/joking about being a dictator, his tariffs, his deportation promises, and his embrace of harsh anti abortion measures, will be one more and more of a liability.
Trust in the power of negative polarization.
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Trump one time said we should nuke a hurricane…. While in office. Like come on… I keep thinking back to all the stupid **** that man said between 2016-2020 and then when he moved out he took nuclear secrets with him and put them in a bathroom.If Biden was doing this,
Yeah, he should drop out.
But he’s just slow with highly short term recall. A big share of swing voters are 65-85 white home owners who have trouble with short term memory.
When normal people start paying attention in September and October. Trump’s weaknesses will become more and impactful.
The indictments, the felonies, his bragging/joking about being a dictator, his tariffs, his deportation promises, and his embrace of harsh anti abortion measures, will be one more and more of a liability.
Trust in the power of negative polarization.
Like what are we debating here.
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It’s crazy how normalized injecting bleach and staring directly into the sun became
