***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[Cashflow]

We have grown men and women who think the government is sending hurricanes to prevent people from voting. Let that sink in. There is nothing left to salvage from the Republican party.

 

[sonoftony]

We have grown men and women who think the government is sending hurricanes to prevent people from voting. Let that sink in. There is nothing left to salvage from the Republican party.

I remember when Republicans thought Obama was controlling the weather with a wii-mote. Fun times

 

[1995]

There might be people who post in this very thread who believe in weather control/HAARP and all that

 

[frshstunna]

Once they hit you with the “both sides” its time to tap out the convo and stop wasting your time

 

[05fordgt]

You should be the last one calling anyone names..esp those names

Whaaaaa!! Cry more!! From the many likes my comment got, everyone feels the same about you, so I say "if the show fits"! Why don't you linger in the Election thread. Many Trumpers and Repubs in there to make friends with. You can exchange conspiracy theories! You are not wanted here as you don't accept facts as facts & you want a criminal as president with his sycophants as his administration which will burn the country down & see democracy fall! NOW GO AWAY!!!

 

[Fozz]

There might be people who post in this very thread who believe in weather control/HAARP and all that

I just said it was an interesting theory, okay? You didn't have to put me on blast.

 

[frshstunna]

Whaaaaa!! Cry more!! From the many likes my comment got, everyone feels the same about you, so I say "if the show fits"! Why don't you linger in the Election thread. Many Trumpers and Repubs in there to make friends with. You can exchange conspiracy theories! You are not wanted here as you don't accept facts as facts & you want a criminal as president with his sycophants as his administration which will burn the country down & see democracy fall! NOW GO AWAY!!!

Naw let yo post in here, this the politics thread …Just take it all as nonsense n laugh at it, probly disappear again after another L in a few months like the other MAGA folks last time

 

[Public Enemy]

I saw this earlier today, and just on the off chance there's a person or two who this can help. Forgive the formatting. Can always click through to the AP article if you want.

Control the path and power of hurricanes like Milton? Forget it, scientists say

In the wake of hurricanes that have disrupted lives for millions in the U.S., some people may wonder if extreme weather events could be somehow controlled.

apnews.com

Hurricanes are humanity’s reminder of the uncontrollable, chaotic power of Earth’s weather.

Milton’s powerful push toward Florida just days after Helene devastated large parts of the Southeast likely has some in the region wondering if they are being targeted. In some corners of the internet, Helene has already sparked conspiracy theories and disinformation suggesting the government somehow aimed the hurricane at Republican voters.

Besides discounting common sense, such theories disregard weather history that shows the hurricanes are hitting many of the same areas they have for centuries. They also presume an ability for humans to quickly reshape the weather far beyond relatively puny efforts such as cloud-seeding.

Here’s a look at what humans can and can’t do when it comes to weather:

The power of hurricanes, heightened by climate change
A fully developed hurricane releases heat energy that is the equivalent of a 10-megaton nuclear bomb every 20 minutes — more than all the energy used at a given time by humanity, according to National Hurricane Center tropical analysis chief Chris Landsea.


“The amount of energy a hurricane generates is insane,” said Colorado State University hurricane researcher Phil Klotzbach. It’s the height of human arrogance to think people have the power to change them, he said.

But that hasn’t stopped people from trying, or at least thinking about trying.

Historical efforts to control hurricanes have failed
Jim Fleming of Colby College has studied historical efforts to control the weather and thinks humans have nowhere near the practical technology to get there. He described an attempt in 1947 in which General Electric partnered with the U.S. military to drop dry ice from Air Force jets into the path of a hurricane in an attempt to weaken it. It didn’t work.

“The typical science goes like understanding, prediction and then possibly control,” Fleming said, noting that the atmosphere is far more powerful and complex than most proposals to control it. “It goes back into Greek mythology to think you can control the powers of the heavens, but also it’s a failed idea.”

In the 1960s, 1970s and 1980s, the federal government briefly tried Project STORMFURY. The idea was to seed a hurricane to replace its eyewall with a larger one that would make the storm bigger in size but weaker in intensity. Tests were inconclusive and researchers realized if they made the storm larger, people who wouldn’t have been hurt by the storm would now be in danger, which is an ethical and liability problem, the project director once said.

For decades, the National Hurricane Center and its parent agency, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, have been asked about nuclear-bombing a hurricane. But the bombs aren’t powerful enough, and it would add the problem of radioactive fallout, Corbosiero said.

Bringing cooling icebergs or seeding or adding water-absorbing substances also are ideas that just don’t work, NOAA scientists said.

Climate change begets engineering — and lots of questions
Failed historical attempts to control hurricanes differ somewhat from some scientists’ futuristic ideas to combat climate change and extreme weather. That’s because instead of targeting individual weather events, modern geoengineers would operate on a larger scale — thinking about how to reverse the broad-scale damage humans have already done to the global climate by emitting greenhouse gases.

Scientists in the field say one of the most promising ideas they see based on computer models is solar geoengineering. The method would involve lofting aerosol particles into the upper atmosphere to bounce a tiny bit of sunlight back into space, cooling the planet slightly.


Supporters acknowledge the risks and challenges. But it also “might have quite large benefits, especially for the world’s poorest,” said David Keith, a professor at the University of Chicago and founding faculty director of the Climate Systems Engineering Initiative.

Two years ago, the largest society of scientists who work on climate issues, the American Geophysical Union, announced it was forming an ethics framework for “climate intervention.”


Some scientists warn that tinkering with Earth’s atmosphere to fix climate change is likely to create cascading new problems. University of Pennsylvania climate scientist Michael Mann expressed worries on the ethics framework that just talking about guidelines will make the tinkering more likely to occur in the real world, something that could have harmful side effects.



Field, of Stanford, agreed that the modeling strongly encourages that geoengineering could be effective, including at mitigating the worst threats of hurricanes, even if that’s decades away. But he emphasized that it’s just one piece of the best solution, which is to stop climate change by cutting greenhouse gas emissions.

“Whatever else we do, that needs to be the core set of activities,” he said.

 

[IATT]

 

[yobyellav]

You're talking to a Pizzagate believer

Don't waste your energy

Gotcha….saw in the response he said it didn’t matter what he thought. Didn’t read past that.

 

[yobyellav]

She’s a few days away from hitting us with, “oh and about those space lasers…”

 

[TooOlfForThisIsh]

F

In my experience, this would be extremely significant. My mother in law was diagnosed with ALS in January. Trying to care for her while working nearly killed my father-in-law.

At our insistence, they let us set up home health care and pay for it until he could get his bearings, replace us on the contract, and eventually pay us back.

By the time we came off the contract a few months later, we’d sent more than $30,000 out the door. These costs can quickly eat through even robust retirement savings. My mil was a career teacher with a decent pension and additional 401k savings. But if she ends up outlasting the average survival time by more than a few years, home health costs will start eating into fil’s retirement. At that point, we’d likely end up sending money that we’d rather spend on our son (or ourselves).

This is currently a massive blind spot in the social safety net. Fortunately, most people won’t experience the need for prolonged home health care because it’s almost impossible to actually save and plan for it given its extreme expense.

 

[a-friend]

You read it.

 

[IATT]

 

[dragicon]

There has to be a still photo of trump saluting him with his hand outstretched, based on the camera flashes.

 

[IATT]

There has to be a still photo of trump saluting him with his hand outstretched, based on the camera flashes.

 

[Air Champa]

I saw this earlier today, and just on the off chance there's a person or two who this can help. Forgive the formatting. Can always click through to the AP article if you want.

Control the path and power of hurricanes like Milton? Forget it, scientists say

In the wake of hurricanes that have disrupted lives for millions in the U.S., some people may wonder if extreme weather events could be somehow controlled.

apnews.com

I read this yesterday. The solar geoengineering sounds interesting, but that's decades away from making an impact.

Unfortunately, this won't help anyone who really believes people can control the weather. This will just be interpreted as "them" trying to cover up the "real truth" that only true free thinkers who have the courage the question the narritive really know.

 

[IATT]

 

[yobyellav]

You read it.

I imagine this is for me. I’m sure a stranger’s word means nothing here, but you have mine. did not read anything further of your post. I got the sense before I asked what you thought that you were being willfully ignorant of what trump said so there was no need to finish the post.